The collected works of hamei - Page 17

Nah, nuts are for squirrels The nougat thing tho ... sigh.

Where the crane flies through the marshes
And the turtles sun their shells
Where the water rat goes swimmin'
That's where my swamp girl dwells

Where the sunlight never wanders
And the moonlight never falls
Where the water's black with the devil's track
That's where my swamp girl calls

Good thing you didn't tell me or I'd have sold them my spare Fuel for just a little more

The fun has gone, for sure. Commodity crap, commodity writers, monoculture, boring boring boring.

What shall we do next ? Radio controlled submarines ? Or quarter-scale steam locomotives ?

IBM supported OS/2 for ten. It's hard to actually like IBM but they do seem to have a conscience. Or at least they do a better job of pretending than anyone else.

I tend to agree with you but that's because I'm a mean-spirited cantankerous old bastard Look at how they dealt with the :Lenovo thing tho - they could easily have dumped on everyone involved, left all their previous customers up poop creek, got the heck out as fast as they could. You know they wanted to and I know that Legend has absolutely no intention of doing anything IBM says.

But they didn't. They knew they had to leave that business, it was a drain on the company. But they gave everyone plenty of warning, they supervised (or tried to) the new owners, they did their best to make the entire thing as painless as possible. IBM is its own little parallel universe but I dunno ... sometimes they aren't so bad.

I once read an interesting book claiming that there were three basic approaches to the computer industry (or maybe any technical product.) : design, marketing and technology. No company is good at all three. (Although that would be theoretically possible, it doesn't seem to happen out in the brick and mortar world.) His examples were the ones you'd expect - Apple, Mickey and IBM. This was written over ten years ago so it wasn't as obvious then as it is now.

Pretty perceptive, I thought.

Funny thing one might notice about "capitalism" - the claim is that competition in a Free Market (aka government regulates absolutely nothing, notice how well that's working out ?) is the best of all possible worlds for the consumer and society, makes vast improvements faster than light, blah blah blah blah blah.

So why is it that the more "capitalistic" and competitive a society gets, the fewer choices we have ? Is it possible that capitalism and competition are actually antithetical to each other ? Or that cooperation might be a better system entirely ?

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I never paid attention to the fact that it's an rpn calculator. Nice !

My guess would be "no, it does not." All these machines have been out for a long time. The Fuel problem is well known, if that problem were common in the big iron then it would also be well known. You most likely have a real problem ...

Just for fun, if you have an old pci card you could solder a lead to the -12v trace. Then measure the voltage on that pin to see what it really is. That will tell you if it's the monitoring or an actual fault.

Not so likely - usually when things blow up they die open, but still ... you're right. I was thinking more along the lines of using an old junk board just for the leads and cutting the traces. Actually, the O2's pci standoff would have been a good choice. Nothing connects to that.

All's well that ends well, though. I ran the Fuel for four years with no environment monitoring. Didn't like that but it worked out fine. Can you turn off L1 env for just one brick or does it apply to the entire computer ?

You've already been to Hong Kong. See if you can get on the ferry to Prince Rupert instead. Worth it, definitely worth it. That's a trip not to be missed.

In a world run by MBA's ? Yes.

Pilot, if you want to work in 3d and don't mind having actual constraints on your imagination, there's always CAD work. Mechanical design is not such a bad career for the lower classes.

Art imitates life

Are you in Prince Rupert yet ?

Just realized I haven't said, "Thank you !" to M. le Neko himself, the hard-working impartial moderators and all the skilled talented contributors to the Nekochan in a long time. So, Thank you ! This is an unusually nice place.

Let's not forget to light the bonfires tonight, too. I'm a little nervous about what the other worlds think of us these days ...

Pentium, you need to start saving up for a girlfriend. Besides that, one brand of computer is enough.

Was watching an old desktop video presentation, saw this icon which I haven't noticed in 6.5. Anyone know where it lives, if it exists in 6.5 or if not, can someone snag it ? Could be a handy icon ...

You gottit. Until people in the US grow up and quit playing Yuppie, there's not much future for people who actually produce things of value. We got rhythm, tho.

Ah, Law. The last resort of the desperate scoundrel ! At least you didn't go for an MBA.

Congratulations on passing, btw. Next time I take an ambulance ride I'll keep an eye out for ya

With an LCD you don't need a decent refresh, though. I always ran my 1600sw at 50 hz to try to take a little load off the O2. You couldn't tell the difference. For gaming you'd want your inputs to display faster but for watching, you're not going to notice any improvement over 30 hz.

I had a K&T that required loading ten or twelve 8" reels of paper tape to boot. That took a while

If we had a "dimbulb screws up" category I could populate it all by myself ..

Two IP 35 machines, both Irix 6.5.30. Both were running fine, shared objects showed up in either direction, worked fine.

I musta did something bad.
Suddenly networking works fine in one direction.

In the other direction, the remote host icon shows on the desktop. Double-clicking shows its shared objects. Double-clicking the shared directory icon returns an error code < Unable to locate ". The path does not exist.> Both from a terminal and graphically, nothing shows up in /hosts Same situation is true for all users including root.

Fired up george, the IBM x86 vortex of trepidation. Twenty minutes later it was done booting (Solaris). Same result. Everything works fine everywhere except this one host. Pinging works fine from everyone to everyone.

What's the dumbest thing I could have done ? Most likely that's it.

Send a pm to marcoose. And look in the for sale forum

Didn't the O3000 series come first ? I really like the versatility of the brick concept, also. Plus, can't the latest c-bricks go to eight or even sixteen processors ?

What makes OS X a "modern platform" ? And why would you want to recreate something from the 1870's on a "modern platform" if modernity is such an advantage ?

Just curious.

I probably phrased that poorly. I'm wondering why anyone would want to "recreate" a DOS or Amiga program on a "modern" platform. It's an antique program in an antique paradigm. If modern is so great, then why long for an antique ? Modern is better, right ? Then make a modern program with all the wonderful advances we've seen in software over the past twenty years. I'm sure there must be some. Somewhere.


So the fact that it's actually NeXTStep, introduced in 1990, with pretty icons poured over the top, that has nothing to do with it. I see now. I believe Novell DOS 7 is actively developed and runs fine on new hardware, too. That makes it modern ? If I take a VW bug and slap a fibreglass Ferrari body on top, then it's a supercar ? Groovy, man, groovy.


Most likely correct. To which the answer has to be "Then who gives a rat's ass ?" I refer you to Eliyahu Goldratt, The Goal : "what's the effing point ?" Are we all mostly interested in playing with our peepees or is the hardware / software combination actually supposed to do something useful ? If we have people reminiscing over twenty year old software then obviously someone, somewhere has been missing the point for a long long time.

Or maybe that is the real point : they collect a lot of money which we happily hand over for the privilege of saying "My peepee is 4 ghz, yours is only 3.2 , ha ha ha !" That's so productive. I'm really glad we're an information and service society now.


You mean, something along the lines of multiple threads and processes, to take advantage of all these dual-core cpu's that are so popular now ? yeah, that'd be nice, wouldn't it ? There's only been common smp operating systems and hardware available for fifteen goddamned years . Maybe in another twenty the software idiots will actually get "modern" and take advantage of the "modern' hardware.

But I wouldn't bet on it.

What I would bet is that the useless software companies we have (yes, Adobe, you get to go to the front of the line) will continue to merrily produce absolute crap and the morons who happily buy it will continue to do so because hey now ! it's modern !

Software is shit. The people who produce that crap should be put to sleep.


Such as Fireflop, the "modern" browser that locks up the interface if you breathe hard, CS 4 "Creative Suite" with its wonderful modern interface and superlative programming that could bring Blue Gene to her knees but can't even save as pdf, Acrobat Reader for PORTABLE document format that is twelve versions outdated on anything but Winshit XP, Flash (sooo useful, improves my life immeasurably being forced to watch third-graders' artwork) ...

Yeah. Modern software. I feel so deprived having to run this lousy outdated Irix stuff ... Oh, wait ! I don't have to ! For a buck I can get any piece of software made -- but it's not worth the trouble to take it off the shelf because it's crap !

(I'm not entirely kidding. I have boxes full of this garbage that's not even worth the trouble to install. It's like buying an Andy Warhol poster of a soup can. Get it home, stick it on the wall, then what ? Whoopee. Junk, junk, more junk. )

Isn't that called a 914 ?


Should have seen me moving ... two electric tricycles piled ten feet high. Then the poor bastards had to carry a gdm90w11 up seven floors It died up there ... still there, I think. Probably won't come down until the next earthquake

I would hope that a janitor would have the brains to understand that when you "save as pdf" in Illustrator or PhotoSnot, that the average person does not want a 3" margin added to the right side of the page. Nor does the average person want to spend three hours hunting through the Internet trying to find a workaround. If I'd paid for that piece of shit I'd have been well and truly pissed.

Or even a janitor would understand that making the damned Fireflop actually work and be resposive to user inputs is more valuable than jacking off over anti-aliased fonts coming from a toolkit that's the least-optimized pile of crap outside of Mickeysoft.

Here's the janitor's addition to the matador discussion. Matador, even with a DOS interface running on non-current old crap, works just fine. (Gotta remember that janitors are only artists with their mops )

Ummm ... I paid $3500 for a Fuel five years ago. Rothers paid more. Give it another couple years.

I was gonna say ... pentium, have you thought about making the transition from quantity to quality ?

The nekochan wiki says that

This doesn't make sense to me. The only SGI-delivered dual head Tezros were the dual-unit rackmount models with one V12 in each unit. The graphics card fits in the case no matter how tall the cpu heat sinks are because they are in totally different areas ... plus bri3d has an Infinite Performance Tezro clone with dual 1 ghz processors. If he did the same mod to the second unit he'd have a dual head 1 ghz Tezro. Processor height was not one of the problems he faced.

The other possibility would be the tower Tezro which has two xio slots. One slot is physically inappropriate for a V12 because the case gets in the way (testing required to see if it would actually work, case constraints be damned) but in the tower, the processors are on the other side of the midplane so the processor height would not be relevant.

How come the wiki thinks this ?

Sorry Made a fresh batch this morning. Really easy. Tomatoes, onion, cilantro. Chop it all up together really really fine and bob's yer uncle. Tastes great, less filling !

There was actually a reason for that question, tho. Not that I'll ever have a dual 1 ghz setup but kind of looking into a dual head deskside with digital outputs. I read this and wondered how the processor height could affect the graphics cards when they are in an entirely different part of the case ?

If it weren't for the digital output problem, yeah. Oh yeah.

But alas, 3840 x 2400 in glorious digital is my goal, preferably for less than the yearly paint bill on the Golden Gate Bridge.

Easiest way around it turned out to be installing a postscript printer and printing to file. Then we export to the antique useless SGI and run ps2pdf agaist the file.

Adobe can fry in one of the lower circles for Eternity. Those stupid, useless chimpanzees ...

I had a friend at Walter Landor who was appalled (tm Sky Writer) at the fact that most of their new hires couldn't use paper and pencil. He'd say, "Go sketch me up a quick overview of your idea" and they couldn't do it.

We went through that garbage also. There was a way to restrict the output to the size of the artboard which we happened upon by accident but of course, when you get there by accident it's hard to find your way back again.

For future use, grab a generic Color PostScript print driver from Mickey (don't assume that a generic PostScript printer will do color, of course that would be too rational), install it, print to file and then ps2pdf on any *nix box will do the rest. Should be in nekoware.

I wanted to put ps2pdf on the Winnders box so the Assist could do everything locally but of course not. Simple commandline app but it needs an entire suburban housing development's worth of crap to work so wtf.

Download Distiller !

Piss off. Send it over to the Useful Red Box and get it done.

PhotoShop and Illustrator are twenty years old now and can't output correctly to pdf. If I did that kind of shit work I'd have starved to death decades ago.

I really feel sad that I can't run modern software on the Fuel