The collected works of hamei - Page 41

recondas wrote: The easy way is to right click on the file icon in the IRIX File Manager and select "Get Movie Info" from the drop down menu.

Irix is pretty cool :D There's so many useful little things built in that I'm still finding new ones after more than fifteen years of daily use ...
ShadeOfBlue wrote:
The Model M was supposedly a "cost-reduced" version of the Selectric keyboard and the Cherry key switches are a "cost-reduced" version of the buckling-spring ones in the Model M :)

That's interesting ! thanks ... I'm still looking for a keyboard that has the F keys in a double row down the left side. HP built them that way but HPIL she don't work with an SGI :(

PymbleSoftware wrote:
ShadeOfBlue wrote:
Wow, that code is really ancient :)
For comparison, here's how a modern Fortran program can look like: http://www.liv.ac.uk/HPC/HTMLF90Course/HTMLF90CourseNotesnode62.html


Bah, that looks more like Ada. Real FORTRAN looks like:

Code:
IF IF = 0 THEN THEN = 0;
STOP
END



You forgot your FINIS, Pymble :D

It's actually RS-274D, aka "g-code", kind of like Assembler for machine tools. Then they got "conversational" controls, which would be like writing your term paper in Postscript :D And it's not old, I just threw that together off the top of my head ... you can still control machine tools that way but I doubt that very many people do.

Writing programs that way sucks because it is so labor-intensive but you have total control over everything the machine does. Total. When you use a CAM system the machine cuts a lot of air, does a bunch of junk you don't really want but oh well. It was fast and easy and all I had to do was click on the various surfaces in the order I wanted them cut.

All the machine tool stuff predates personal computers and even large computers by decades. The first numerically controlled machine was running in 1952. They didn't start small and build up, either - it's more like trickle-down. This was when men built SR-71's and XB-70's with slide rules instead of taking twenty-five years and six billion dollars to buy a bridge from China - then bolt it together with bad fasteners. It will be funny when the Bay Bridge falls down ... I read what they did and go, "WHAT ! Nobody with an IQ over thirty would do that !"

But they did.

Automatically Programmed Tools, the One True APT :

Code:
PARTNO SAMPLE
PRINT/ON
SETPT=POINT/-13.3312,8
PT1=PT/6,3
PT2=PT/3,7
L1-LINE/PT1,PT2
L2=LINE/PARLEL L1, XSMAL, 3
CIR1=CIRCLE/CENTER,PT1,RADIUS,6
FROM/SETPT
RAPID/ TO, L1
FEDRAT/.015
GOLFT / L1, TO, CIR1

Looks simple and it is but it will do geometry up the wazoo. APT predates FORTRAN :) It was the first ANSI standard. Somewhere around 1964 they rewrote it in FORTRAN ... and it will still do some things that graphical point-n-click CAM programs cannot. I have APT/360 code (public domain) if someone wants to help get it running in Irix .... it's fun to play with (if you don't have to make the rent with it.)

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
These early computers were interesting, everyone made their own CPU architecture back then :)

And the more architectures you have, the more ideas and the more choices ... as long as everyone can run on the same roads, a lot of different cars is a good idea. That was the Loonies' rallying cry back when they were the underdogs :(

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The patent applications were much more substantial that the crap that gets accepted today. For example, for the HP 9830A computer, HP put _everything_ you needed to know how to build the machine in the patent application.

You could build your own PDP-8 from the prints that came with a K&T. Honest, the machine came with full prints to the boards and K&T built three boards of their own that went into the PDP-8 for real-time control and they wrote their own operating system. Not "sort-of" real-time, realtime. Sundstrand likewise. And when you called tech support, you got someone who knew their shit. No one from India ! Some of those guys could think in binary. Seriously. It was nice to talk to people who knew their job. Knew it inside-out, frontwards and backwards, and never once said "Oh we can't tell you that, it's a seeecret !" Gag.

But hey now, it really is more important that Mark Zuckerberg has eighty billion dollars in the Caymans than the US has an industrial base, right ?

I would not be surprised if the US collapses within the next ten years. You simply can't run a country on hot air.

Here's a photo of the Teletype keys, better than my description. You can see why they would have a terrible action :
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And the site I stole it from has a great description of how they work - it's "innovative" :D

http://www.oldcomputers.arcula.co.uk/perf1.htm

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canavan wrote:
And freetype 2.4.12 has actually been released in the meantime. I'll have to check how that new renderer is enable (runtime or compile time)...

It's enabled by applying a patch to the code ... Instructions are in /doc/CHANGES. They say it will be the default for the next release. Hey, that's some serious testing, ain't it ?!

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I this is intended for Postscript Type 1 fonts.

Seems like Adobe wants back in the game, they are pushing their support for "Open Source ! We believe in Open Source !" ... you just have to shake your head sometimes. But if it delivers better rendering for CCF aka OTF aka Type1 fonts, I'll take it :D

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SAQ wrote:
Per LC (Library of Congress) librarians, punched Mylar tape is still the best choice for long-term archiving of information. It does not rely on proprietary or difficult-to-build reader mechanisms and does not degrade when stored properly.

The Library of Congress would have to be as large as Indiana to store much :D The K&T D control could have as much as 192k of memory. A lot of it was for part program storage tho. The executive program probably fit into about 40k. It took over twenty 8" reels overflowing with tape to load. That's a stack almost chest-high ... Paper tape is fun tho. It's much more tactile than a floppy disk.

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robespierre wrote:
This is so off topic, I love it :)

Nothing is too off-topic for us :D

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http://www.kinetta.com

Very very cool and looks like a nicely-made product :D

However ...

kinetta wrote:
Film tension is electronically controlled using new proprietary technology and is adjustable over a wide range, from 6 to 30 ounces

Not new, Decitek readers used a similar system in 1980

kinetta wrote:
The threading path is short, simple and unvarying – no spring-loaded dancer arms.

Sorry, can't be unvarying. As the film on the reel gets smaller the path changes. May not be much but the claim cannot be true.

Also, the "dancer arms" on a Remex reader were not simple spring-loaded devices to put tension on the tape. They had an analog potentiometer connected to the arm to measure the diameter of the tape on the reel. As the diameter got smaller the reel on that side spun faster (variable speed dc motors were used) to achieve the same linear speed. And vicey-versey on the other side, natcherly.

I had both Decitek and Remex readers - in practice, the Remex performed better.

I also had a Tallyreader or two which were mechanical. They sounded like very small-caliber machine guns for miniature armies :D People bitched about the mechanical readers but in practice, I had less trouble with the Tallyreader than the nice optical devices.

Look at the Portability page ... some nice behind-the-scenes shots of the Nixons' lives. Never thought I'd feel nostalgic for Tricky Dick ...

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jwp wrote:
I can't wait to see everyone's grandma customizing their ~/.Xdefaults file to get that perfect shade of lavender for their MWM window handles and titlebars.

Toolshest -> Desktop -> Customize -> Color Schemes -> Inverness :D

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Every time I do this have to hunt all over to find whatever I did last time. This is not as sophisticated but easy to remember and works great - just copy the area between the cutlines and save to a file named whatever you want (I used < combine.ps >) then change the postscript filenames you want to collate in the text. Then run < ps2pdf combine.ps [or whatever name you chose] outputname.pdf >

I know, there are better ways. But this is very simple to remember even if you only do it occasionally. Google searches are becoming less and less useful.

< combine.ps >

-------------

%!PS
% Written by Helge Blischke
%
% edit the script to use the real filenames desired then run
% < ps2pdf combine.ps outputname.pdf >
%
% The following 2 procs encapsulate the jobs to be processed
% much as is done with EPS images:

/_begin_job_
{
/tweak_save save def
/tweak_dc countdictstack def
/tweak_oc count 1 sub def
userdict begin
}bind def

/_end_job_
{
count tweak_oc sub{pop}repeat
countdictstack tweak_dc sub{end}repeat
tweak_save restore
}bind def

% Now, collate the pages like this:

_begin_job_
(filename_1.ps)run
_end_job_

_begin_job_
(filename_2.ps)run
_end_job_

_begin_job_
(filename_3.ps)run
_end_job_

% and so on.

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Just went past the infinality site ... that is one of the biggest group of stupid fucks I've come across. What a bunch of useless buffoons :(

Otherwise, the new CFF freetype compiles fine. I don't notice any huge change in the Adobe fonts yet tho .... maybe a little nicer. Or maybe my imagination :D

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foetz wrote:
that's definitely one of the worst screenshots i've ever seen :P

Not fair to canavan, his infinality worked fine :) I don't remember what was going on then but every time I opened fireflop it had different fonts. Getting everything stabilized for high-res was a bit tricky for a while. Plus screenshots have to be resized now, which is whence some of the awfulness of that one comest.

Not sure if there's any difference with the new freetype rendering, will report back after I've used it some more.

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zuluchas wrote:
I used to have one of these and may be able to help.

They look pretty neat but kind of big ... how did you like it ?

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foetz wrote:
oh i meant the image quality not the content :D

Yes, it looked quite awful. Then I resized it and it didn't get any better :D

The weird thing was, every time I opened Firefox it chose different fonts. It was as if someone put a random-selection roulette wheel in the code. Gremlins ?

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ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I've always wanted to build my own PDP-8/S

I could get you two complete computers, a tape punch and a 2' x 2' x 4' plywood box of spares if you wanted to ship them from China :D

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recondas wrote: To further expand the list of IIDC/AV/C hardware supported by the DM10, I tested a ADS Pyro 1394 IIDC webcam.

At the risk of diminshing the supply of suitable cameras, I came across this :
some website or other wrote: Some of the supported web cameras include the Orange Micro iBOT, ADS Pyro WebCam, Vcam IEEE 1394 PC Camera, Aplux 1394 PC Camera and any FireWire web camera based on the Texas Instruments TSB15LV01 chipset should also work.

I also tried a "BlackHawk" firewire webcam which looks exactly like the iRez Stealthfire. Maybe time to drag it back out of the closet ... gave up on the dual-connection USB-firewire card with the O350 tho. I could get it to boot, use the USB, identify the firewire card but never would see any connected firewire devices. That could have been a faulty card but for now ...

I don't know if anyone is going to set their Fuel on the roof to do this but looks interesting :

http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/low_light.html

Besides the other good stuff, about 2/3 down the page there is a link to a TI pdf on an "evaluation board for CCD's" which is dead but indicates that there is/was an evaluation board for interfacing various ccd's to the computer via the TI firewire chipset, which we know works ... didn't SAQ just buy a new soldering iron ?

Edited to remove doubts about the BlackHawk IEEE1394 Digital Camera. Works.
About the newer freetype ... tried it out, made the change in the source (it's not really a patch, just changed one line in a c code file). Didn't bother with infinality: that was a nice feature but their website sucks dead donkey organs, absolutely stoopid and ghastly, how do these people graduate from third grade ? Anyway, Freetype-Adobe compiles fine, installs fine, runs fine.

Is it better ? Hard to say. Is it different ? Maybe. It's easy for the mind to play tricks - "Is that T cleaner than before ? Could be. I think so. Yes, definitely cleaner than before. It's new code, must be better, right ?"

It's definitely not worse and other code looking for the big number when they do configure should be happy so what the heck, may as well leave it. It's not a step backwards at least.


Edit : note on the infinality page saying that it crashes when used with the new Adobe cff font engine. Maybe they will get around to fixing it before that becomes the freetype default :D

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ShadeOfBlue wrote:
Tempting! One computer and the tape punch would be more than enough, though :D

I best make sure they are still there .... there's a lot of stuff.

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Surface shipping for those two would probably be affordable if the Chinese post office still offers that option...

Umm, you ain't gonna be sending a PDP-8 by mail :shock: They aren't as tall but they're every bit as heavy as a Xerox laser printer. Let me make sure the stuff hasn't gone to the smelter before we get too excited tho. Most people don't consider tape punches and 1975 computers to be valuable :(

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Look at this disgusting piece of shit :

http://www.patents.com/us-6670967.html

They gave someone (in the NSA, no less) a patent for a frigging Xdefaults entry. What a bunch of clowns. "Intellectual Property" indeed :evil:

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ClassicHasClass wrote:
Gonna be nicer when I get the DAT and SCSI card out of the spare I just landed. *grin grin grin*

There are some DAT drives that have audio firmware, and some that can be flashed with the audio firmware. Older drives now but still a neat feature :D

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jimmer wrote: Hello All,
Just reporting back to the kermunniti about New Ted (Ted v2.23) on IRIX.

This is really cool, jimmer ! If I ever get five minutes to call my own I'll have to give 'er a shot ...

vishnu wrote: Probably no need for me to keep diddling around with Maxwell then eh? :shock:

Nah, we still need it !

Well, no other reason than sweet revenge for the abuse it's heaped on me... :twisted:

We will fight them on the beaches. We will fight them in the hard drive. We will fight them in their towers of corporate oppression. But as long as the dream of freedom lives in the hearts of the downtrodden we will never be truly defeated :shock:
Does anyone (hi diegel !) happen to know the name of the actual executable that this version of firefox runs as ? Would like to use a real minimized icon here, I've tried just about every name ff ever used and every name that shows up in top, the process manager, pstree, you name it. FF doesn't like any of them :(

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ItsMeOnly wrote: As far as I remember the problem was only the licensing agreement with SGI - x86 linux only.

Bankruptcy - another fraud perpetrated upon the American public by the legal establishment.
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Adrenaline wrote:
I spent a little time this morning working on getting erlang compiled (which it needs) - I will hopefully get that component compiled and into a tardist this weekend at the very least.

That would be great if you could do it ... I've "compiled" erlang (said it succeeded but in practice, refused to make any executables that work) a few times with no non-trivial success. I really like variety but an old stick tied to your leg with a bandana is no substitute for a wheel.

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MrBill wrote:
Just bought a working octane off ebay, and have an IRIS on its way in the mail.

I'm not sure how to proceed from here. Seems to be in fully working condition, but im not sure where to get / Install irix.

a) We're not supposed to even breathe the word "commercial software" here because the site owner (quite reasonably) doesn't need to be hassled by the SBA.

b) fleaBay is your friend

c) there is a good chance it will come with a running installation. If not, experience is what you get when everything turns to shit. :P Seriously, in the old dayes this was a major problem for privateers and one that you learned about quick. Nowadays, see (b)

d) If you don't have to, don't get all excited about reinstalling Windows. This is Irix. I'm running the same installation that I did eight years ago. The same installation has gone through three computers and several hard disks.

e) The easiest way in the beginning might be to pick up a disk installed for an Octane. One's first Irix install can be frustrating. After about the third time it's no big deal but the first time can be a pita.

Oh. It's an Octane. Unless you have an external scsi CD-ROM drive you'll be doing this over a network connection. More fun. Not that it's intolerably difficult but if you just want to get running and this is your first Irix experience ...

Your profile doesn't show where you are located - in this forum that's useful because people here come from all over the world. Maybe there is someone close by who wouldn't mind coming over to help for a pizza and a beer. Does your girlfriend have good hooters ? A little eye candy can help in these situations.

d) Last and least is the dreaded Loonix Install. If you want a 60 lb box that performs as well as a 486-66DX, go for it.

good luck :D

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PymbleSoftware wrote:
Is there anything on IRIX that will export FBX..? Suppose its too new.
I guess I could go Wavefront OBJ to network share and import and re export but each transformation risks losing something.

If possible I would use something like iges, step, sat or stl files. Those are the most common in industry, where a little "glitch" in the model means several hundred (or thousands) of dollars down the toilet. There are Irix applications that will read those.

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recondas wrote:
........ or did I misunderstand the question?

Nope, you got the question right and the same answers as me. Too bad they seem to be the wrong answers :(

If you put an rgb image file in $HOME/.icons with the executable_name-dot-icon as a name, when you minimize the application you get that picture as an icon. Works for every other application I have. FF2 required some other name, iirc it was either "mozilla" or "Mozilla". FF3 doesn't respond to any of the names I've tried, both the ones you point out and about a half-dozen others - none of the names it shows up as in process manager, pstree, top, nuthin'. What the hell is it calliing itself ?

p.s. - your screenshots look as bad as mine :D Are you running on that Times Square display setup nowadays ?

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Nuke wrote:
I personally support software patents ...

Sorry, can't help myself : why would anyone who is not a lawyer or a job creator think this ?

Patents are ludicrous crap. In 1800 there was a point to the idea but since then, they have become nothing but a disease. They serve no useful purpose whatsoever. They are yet another layer of shit on top of the cesspool of garbage burying life today ... How can anyone rational "support" something like that ?

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SAQ wrote: I wouldn't ignore it - legal blackmail can still be highly profitable, even with "dead" products.

When the rule of law becomes a means of repression, it's time to start packing six-shooters again.
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jimmer wrote: 1. Get GNU iconv off ftp.gnu.org and compile/install it. I did not check the nekoware version coz unlike Hamei I have a house rule that says this stuff goes into /usr/local/ :)

Nekoware version is the latest (1.14), Mr User Local :D So that saves a couple of steps.
jimmer wrote: 3. In the ./Ted source directory you'll need to replace

Ted/tedListTool.c
Ted/tedInput.c

with the ones I've attached to this post.

Exactly ! but ... umm ... jimmer ? You attached ted Link tool.c to your post :(

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cc-1020 cc: ERROR File = tedListTool.c, Line = 1838
The identifier "XK_KP_9" is undefined.

case KEY_KP_9:
^

22 errors detected in the compilation of "tedListTool.c".


Otherwise, it's going splendidly with MIPSPro :D

Well, okay ... for others who want to try this :

< configure > is a directory level down, there doesn't appear to be one in the top level. So you can just open the Makefile at the top and replace --with-GTK by --with-MOTIF (all caps). You can also add < --prefix=/usr/nekoware > if you like, seems to work so far but I don't have a binnery to test with yet so no promises. After you edit the Makefile can just run gmake as usual and once Mr Jimmer Sir hands out our Wonka Bars with the golden tedList.c we'll be off and running :P
sgifanatic wrote:
I wanted to share it with you guys and see what your thoughts are.

It's an Apple I :D

www.latimes.com/business/technology/la- ... 0683.story

They look nice. But why the Kickstarter ? Why not just sell them ? That whole commuuuuunity thing is sort of ... repulsive :(

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jimmer wrote: Oopsiedaisy...

I have said that once or twice in my life :D

Meanwhile, I know this isn't fair since I'm using the nekoware libiconv (settings alluded to above all seem to be correct, with the exception of MIPSPro and nekoware iconv / perl libary substituted in but ...

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urchin 37% gmake
cd Ted && gmake
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/people/dev/teddy/Ted-2.23/Ted'
cc -mips4 -L/usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/lib32 -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/nekoware/lib -o Ted tedVerticalRuler.o tedUndo.o tedTocTool.o tedToc.o tedThisNoteTool.o tedTextOrnamentsTool.o tedTabsTool.o tedTableTool.o tedTable.o tedSymbolPicker.o tedSpellTool.o tedShadingTool.o tedSelectionGeometry.o tedSelectionDescription.o tedSelect.o tedSectionTool.o tedSaveDocument.o tedRuler.o tedRowTool.o tedRowMarginsTool.o tedRepeat.o tedParaOrnamentsTool.o tedParaLayoutTool.o tedPageLayoutTool.o tedPage.o tedOpenDocument.o tedObjects.o tedObjectDrag.o tedNotesTool.o tedNote.o tedMouseInput.o tedMain.o tedListTool.o tedLinkTool.o tedLayout.o tedInsertNode.o tedInput.o tedIncludeDocument.o tedImageTool.o tedIcons.o tedHyperlink.o tedHeightTool.o tedHeaderFooterTool.o tedHeaderFooter.o tedFrameTool.o tedFormatToolUtil.o tedFormatToolShowPage.o tedFormatTool.o tedFontTool.o tedFollowLink.o tedFindTool.o tedFindPosition.o tedFind.o tedFileConvert.o tedField.o tedEditSplit.o tedEditOperation.o tedEditObject.o tedEditList.o tedEdit.o tedDrawTextLines.o tedDrawShape.o tedDrawRuler.o tedDrawOrnaments.o tedDrawMotif.o tedDrawGtk.o tedDraw.o tedDocument.o tedDocSetProperties.o tedDocRuler.o tedDocprops.o tedDocFront.o tedDeleteNode.o tedDeleteFromTable.o tedCopyPasteImpl.o tedCopyPaste.o tedColumnTool.o tedCellTool.o tedBottomRuler.o tedBorderTool.o tedBookmarkTool.o tedBookmarkList.o tedAppFront.o tedAppFont.o tedApp.o docSpell.o docScreenFont.o ../lib/docHtml.a ../lib/docLayout.a ../lib/drawMeta.a ../lib/appFrame.a ../lib/docEdit.a ../lib/docRtf.a ../lib/docBuf.a ../lib/docEdit.a ../lib/docBase.a ../lib/bitmap.a ../lib/ind.a ../lib/docFont.a ../lib/utilPs.a ../lib/textEncoding.a ../lib/appUtil.a \
-L/usr/nekoware/lib -lpcre    \
-ltiff -ljpeg -L/usr/nekoware/lib -lpng12 -lz -lm -L/usr/nekoware/lib -lz   \
-lXpm -L/usr/lib32 -lXm   -lXt -lXext -lSM -lICE -lX11  -L/usr/nekoware/lib -lXft -lXrender -lX11 -lfontconfig -lfreetype   -L/usr/nekoware/lib -lfreetype -lz -lbz2 -L/usr/nekoware/lib -lfontconfig   -lm
ld32: WARNING 84 : ../lib/docEdit.a is not used for resolving any symbol.
ld32: WARNING 84 : /usr/lib32/libXext.so is not used for resolving any symbol.
ld32: ERROR   33 : Unresolved text symbol "libiconv_open" -- 1st referenced by ../lib/textEncoding.a(textConverter.o).
Use linker option -v to see when and which objects, archives and dsos are loaded.
ld32: ERROR   33 : Unresolved text symbol "libiconv_close" -- 1st referenced by ../lib/textEncoding.a(textConverter.o).
Use linker option -v to see when and which objects, archives and dsos are loaded.
ld32: ERROR   33 : Unresolved text symbol "libiconv" -- 1st referenced by ../lib/textEncoding.a(textConverter.o).
Use linker option -v to see when and which objects, archives and dsos are loaded.
ld32: INFO    152: Output file removed because of error.
gmake[1]: *** [Ted] Error 2

It seems that the problem involves libiconv, I think the libraries are the correct ones and in the correct order so the linker can find everything the way it wants, all the object files compiled nicely with MIPSPro and nekoware gnu iconv v1.14 is installed and functional and findable ... what did I screw up ?
jimmer wrote: ehh... as far as I can tell, you haven't added -liconv to the linker switches yet.

Speaking of :oops: , looks like I was editing the wrong makefile ...

Okay le, now that we have a running teddy ...


Sorry for the size but if I scale it it looks ghastly ..

It works. It is compilable with MIPSPro and nekoware iconv. Mr Jimmer's instructions and corrected source files above will get one through the job. The drop-down menus which I didn't get in the screenshot (anyone have a way to get a screenshot with menus exposed ?) are nicely helvetica italic. It should be Xdefaultable to a slightly more Irix appearance. It created rtf files that are cross-platform. It does import graphics files pretty well.

On the negative side, there's that same problem at high res that the early one had. See how the writable area does not fill the window area ? It won't draw down past a certain point. Also the opening splash screen. Maybe some people like Windows 3.1 and Internet Portals. Not me so much (but that is most likely easily fixable.) And it doesn't listen to the dpi setting on one's desktop. Is 12p 12 pixels or 12 points ?

There is good potential here but vish ? Don't quit on Maxwell just yet !

jimmer, thank you very much.

edit: Put it through its paces a little. It would be decent enough for letters to grandma. It's nice to be able to insert graphics and other things plus the fact that Windders can read the files is a big plus. It looks decent and seems reliable. For me there are a few minuses - no zoom and it has problems scaling. Fonts look nice and sharp though, does superscripts and subscripts easily which is nice. It is attractive and clean-looking (except for the splash screen and the way you have to go through a tunnel to get into the program ... ) The html output works okay at least for simple stuff. Both ps2pdf and showps don't like the postscript output. I am too lazy to turn on the printer to try a test postscript but the aforementioned results are not too encouraging. Word 2000 reads the rtf output fine.

I can see this being useful, if not exactly the word processor I would design if I were the god of word processors ... better than Open Ossifrice tho, for less complicated pages.

I can imagine it being the basis for something really useful, too. Just needs some of the rough edges deburred ...
Wreck : we're not socialists. We're Communists ! better hide the women and children !

And wot the 'ell appened to Ozztralia, Pymble ? you guys went from "Now this is a knife !" to "omigosh, that man said an insensitive word. He must be imprisoned for the rest of his life. Think of the chiiiiildren !" in like twenty years. Wow.

sgifanatic wrote:
Right now, however, the process seems to be going very slow. If there's not enough interest to get 25 systems pre-ordered over a month...

I hear Woz and Jobs had the same problem ... :P

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And I'm sorry some of my friends here find the community aspect to be repulsive, but if you've interacted with folks at the Maker Faire, for example, you do actually get a sense of community.

Did community, when the moon was in the seventh house and jupiter aligned with mars .... The computers look good tho, hope you do well. :D

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MrBill wrote:

That stuff sucks and it makes these threads worthless in the future. Could you please just resize the shots to a resonable size and upload them to the thread itself ?

There's nothing worse than trying to solve a problem, finding an old thread which is exactly the answer, then finding that the solution is on some long-gone "hosting" site.

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vishnu wrote:
Blender can export FBX, I would assume it can do so on IRIX though disclaimer-wise I've never used Blender on IRIX...

Just checked, the Blender we have is not new enough to support FBX :(

Maybe getting a new B to run would be a good project for the relaxed and happy Mr P :D

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ClassicHasClass wrote:
On the whole, this should make a nice backup, but the PROM USB difference is puzzling.

Delete your ioconfig.conf and reboot before you get too carried away. (It will make a new file with just the hardware you have connected upon reboot.) Ioconfig has bit my ass many times in the past. It never deletes old hardware entries, so gets easily confused when you change input devices.

recondas wrote:
... you've done pretty well with the you-never-know-what-you're-gonna-get-box-of-chocolates

My Mom had a solution for that. She'd poke a little hole in the bottom of each one to see what was inside. Then she ate the good ones ... sheesh.

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jpstewart wrote: maybe Ted's doing page-by-page in your screenshot.

Good point, bad description on my part. The thing is, it doesn't scale. Normally if you have a word processor page showing and drag it bigger, it gets bigger. Ted does not. I bet that 99% of the time that is not a problem but for me, it's a killer. At 200 dpi it's just too small.

If you want to play with a non-approved experimental version, a gzipped binnery is attached. Should run (I hope ?) for anyone with the following (but no docs included)

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urchin 1# ldd teddly
libpcre.so.1  =>         /usr/nekoware/lib/libpcre.so.1
libiconv.so.3  =>        /usr/nekoware/lib/libiconv.so.3
libtiff.so.6  =>         /usr/nekoware/lib/libtiff.so.6
libjpeg.so.63  =>        /usr/nekoware/lib/libjpeg.so.63
libpng12.so.0  =>        /usr/nekoware/lib/libpng12.so.0
libz.so.1  =>    /usr/nekoware/lib/libz.so.1
libm.so  =>      /usr/lib32/libm.so
libXpm.so.1  =>  /usr/lib32/libXpm.so.1
libXm.so.1  =>   /usr/lib32/libXm.so.1
libXt.so  =>     /usr/lib32/libXt.so
libXext.so  =>   /usr/lib32/libXext.so
libX11.so.1  =>  /usr/lib32/libX11.so.1
libXft.so.2  =>  /usr/nekoware/lib/libXft.so.2
libXrender.so.1  =>      /usr/nekoware/lib/libXrender.so.1
libfontconfig.so.2  =>   /usr/nekoware/lib/libfontconfig.so.2
libfreetype.so.7  =>     /usr/nekoware/lib/libfreetype.so.7
libbz2.so.1.0  =>        /usr/nekoware/lib/libbz2.so.1.0
libc.so.1  =>    /usr/lib32/libc.so.1
libpthread.so  =>        /usr/lib32/libpthread.so
libjbig.so.1.0  =>       /usr/nekoware/lib/libjbig.so.1.0
libfastm.so  =>  /usr/lib32/libfastm.so
libz.so  =>      /usr/nekoware/lib/libz.so
libpng.so.3  =>  /usr/nekoware/lib/libpng.so.3
libz.so  =>      /usr/nekoware/lib/libz.so
libgen.so  =>    /usr/lib32/libgen.so   delay-load
libz.so  =>      /usr/nekoware/lib/libz.so
libz.so  =>      /usr/nekoware/lib/libz.so
libexpat.so.2  =>        /usr/nekoware/lib/libexpat.so.2
libz.so  =>      /usr/nekoware/lib/libz.so

Doesnt have all the copyrights and gnu statements included, forgive me lord for I have sinned. This is just for messing with and no it's not my program, I'm not trying to steal the lifeblood of anyone's hard-won efforts to bring us all world peace and feed the poor, &c &c. If a few people try it and like it maybe we can get together a kickstarter project to make a nekodist :D
Oskar45 wrote:
fu wrote:
we need some fresh air
Fresh Air e ? :-)

have another hit ! sweet sausalito sunshine ..

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vishnu wrote: So I dl'ed it and and then:

You tried it and it worked ? I'm amazed. :shock: . Normally there's a bunch of other stuff the app requires to run besides just the executable (I wish someone would execute mozilla) ...

You could just rename it rather than linking, btw. There's nothing special about the name.

BTW thanks for figuring all this out for us Jimmer! :mrgreen:

Agreed, thanks much for the time and effort, Mr J.
This thing is driving me nuts. Either the people running dns here are total morons (possible) or they are very clever people doing it on purpose (also possible) or there are two groups equally responsible, the morons and the cunning bastards. Anyhow ...

Code:
urchin 3% nslookup pop.gmail.com
Server:  cisco
Address:  xxx.yyy.zzz.987

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    gmail-pop.l.google.com
Addresses:  74.125.25.109, 74.125.25.108
Aliases:  pop.gmail.com

urchin 4% ping pop.gmail.com
ping: pop.gmail.com: Non-recoverable failure in name resolution

urchin 5% ping 74.125.25.108
PING gmail-pop.l.google.com (74.125.25.108): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 74.125.25.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=40 time=256.759 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.25.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=40 time=244.324 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.25.108: icmp_seq=6 ttl=40 time=244.460 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.25.108: icmp_seq=9 ttl=40 time=252.992 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.25.108: icmp_seq=10 ttl=40 time=257.041 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.25.108: icmp_seq=11 ttl=40 time=261.515 ms

----gmail-pop.l.google.com PING Statistics----
12 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 50.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 244.324/252.849/261.515 ms

urchin 6% traceroute pop.gmail.com
traceroute to pop.gmail.com (74.125.25.109), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  cisco (xxx.yyy.zzz.654)  0 ms  0 ms  0 ms
2  gateway (lll.mmm.nnn.oo)  2 ms  1 ms  1 ms
3  210.22.66.93  6 ms

urchin 7% traceroute pop.gmail.com
traceroute: pop.gmail.com: Non-recoverable failure in name resolution

urchin 9% traceroute 74.125.25.109
traceroute to 74.125.25.109 (74.125.25.109), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  cisco (xxx.yyy.zzz.321)  1 ms  0 ms  0 ms
2  gateway (lll.mmm.nnn.ooo)  3 ms  2 ms  2 ms
3  * * *
4  * * 112.64.243.170  9 ms
5  * 112.64.243.101  4 ms  3 ms
6  219.158.4.97  27 ms  28 ms  29 ms
7  219.158.101.54  36 ms  35 ms  36 ms
8  219.158.101.74  27 ms  26 ms  26 ms
9  12.126.40.57  208 ms  209 ms  210 ms
10  12.122.136.58  212 ms  212 ms  215 ms
11  cr2.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.15.249)  217 ms  217 ms  216 ms
12  12.122.136.181  211 ms  229 ms  229 ms
13  12.250.31.10  183 ms  183 ms  182 ms
14  216.239.49.168  181 ms  213 ms  192 ms
15  209.85.250.64  191 ms 209.85.250.60  187 ms 209.85.250.64  183 ms
16  72.14.232.63  274 ms  275 ms  274 ms
17  72.14.233.200  273 ms 72.14.233.202  281 ms 72.14.233.140  273 ms
18  64.233.174.99  275 ms 64.233.174.125  277 ms  281 ms
19  * * *
20  74.125.25.109  277 ms  274 ms  276 ms

The timestamps returned from everything past the gateway in the traceroute are a stone lie - you can sit and watch it take minutes to return on some of those hops.

There is a rumour that enforcing tcp-only on some well-known external dns servers will alleviate this problem. I know that just setting one's dns server settings to known-good servers does not help. The ip's are getting poisoned somewhere. Somewhere north that starts with a B and ends with a g .. Even worse, the poisoned entries eventually screw up the good ones and you have to clear all the cached ip's in the local dns server.

Using the real ip also does not help much. If you know the correct ip, that occasionally works but not usually. Most servers now host several sites on one ip and use the desired hostname to figure out which website will be returned. If you just use the ip you don't get the site you want.

But I'd like to know what is really happening. Too bad I'm not smart enough to figure this out on my own ... but Cisco was behind this and they're smarter than me. Thanks, assholes. Anything for a buck, eh ?


Anyway, first biggest thing I do not understand is, if you do an nslookup the ip is returned right away. Often it's even the correct one. However, a ping immediately thereafter can come back with "domain name not found." Umm, how is that done (and how to get around it :D ?

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foetz wrote:
first of all, is "urchin" unix?

Woof ! Woof ! Irix Dog Food is the most nutritious for your growing hound !
Code:
urchin 1% uname -aR
IRIX64 urchin 6.5 6.5.30m 07202013 IP35


There are also Windows and Solaris and Mackletosh "It's Yeewwwnix !" machines on the network awailable for testing if need be.

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