The collected works of hamei - Page 53

VenomousPinecone wrote: Xmail actually works really well, takes a few minutes to setup and has a very little bloat. The support and community are shit and as far as I can tell development has stopped, but the documentation works just fine for 95% of the trouble you may have.

Really ? cool, thanks !

You better like editing text files

At least I don't have to configure it through iTunes

edit: the ignorant loser dipshit hard-coded gcc all through xmail. Given that there's a Solaris makefile I had hopes but no such joy. Is this a pandemic or something ?

I'm so tired of these morons

jpstewart wrote: [ NetSurf passes a lot of structs back and forth with GTK. I can't help but wonder if that's (part of) the problem with my GCC build. AFAIK, the neko_gtk package was compiled with MIPSpro.

Hate to splash cold water but if you are using the gtk2 that diegel recently built, pretty sure it is gcc. The release notes seemed to indicate that, anyhow.

Adding PHP to the webserver, kind of ugh but whatcha gonna do ? There are two methods, building php --with-nsapi=/opt/webserver or using php-fm. Method One is theoretically more of a pita since you have to redo it every time you update either the webserver or php ... but I don't update so that's not really applicable.

Other than that, anyone have any real-world recommendations concerning these different methods ?

yetanother**ixuser wrote: if your are in the freakin solaris boat, i would use apache/php packages from http://www.opencsw.org/ and leave this iplanet crap out of the game.

Thank you but this fish gotta swim upstream. Plus I have everything running on the Alphabet Server already and I'm lazy ...

To put it another way, ignoring the Sun Java Oracle, what's the opinion on php-fm ? Good, bad or indifferent ? It sort of looks attractive but I don't know much about php.

Try it without the fullscreen option, too. The only time mplayer crashes on me is during resizes. Maybe there's something fragile in the sizing code.

TeamBlackFox wrote: ... Use with NGINX though ...

Did I mention I'm not much on crowds ? Thank you for the feedback on php-fm tho. I'll give it a try.

duck wrote: I would guess it's a problem decoding a frame rather than outputting it to the screen though.

99% chance you are right, but I have some videos that output a whole stream of that message to the console.

I think I'd still try not asking for fullscreen, so it doesn't have to resize as well as decode. Still probably crashes but one fewer variable, maybe ?

Yes, should toss up a sample. If it works elsewhere, the problem is local.

TeamBlackFox wrote: Up to you. I just like my low memory usage with NGINX honestly.

The iPlanet Webgarbler is pretty neat. It's not really a web server, it's more like a cluster of centrally-managed web servers. Not for everybody but it's pretty good at what it does.

How 'bout this for next year ?

recondas wrote: Dunno if you'd run out of gas or oil first, but it don't look like it holds enough of either for distance riding.

That's what the trailer is for

TeamBlackFox wrote: Just an update that -fs or none there is no difference. I'm guessing that with the 300MHz CPU in there that may be the bottleneck? Video plays fine when converted to Xvid on my server. I'll do some more digging

Not sure about the 300 mhz, seems to me I watched videos on the O2 with mplayer and they were often okay but that is a little feeble ... One thing I see tho is that a lot of videos are just crap. I don't mean artistic quality, I mean encoding etc. So many error messages and have to mess around with various commands to even get many of them to play

My guess is, maybe 20% of the playtime videos I get sent are total garbage ?

ian_finder wrote: Update: I've made the 3D printable STL file available here.
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:446728

Please remove if this violates forum TOS.

Pretty cool, thanks !

I'm attaching it here also so that when Thingyverse decides its irrevocable commitment to the kermyooonity has expired, us SGI users will not be left in the cold. Hope you don't mind ...

chicaneuk wrote: the CDROM swap-fest that is an Irix installation does start to grate after a while

And that's just the beginning Then you have to get in there and either ditch the extra junk you don't want, or add the stuff you do want if you did a minimum install which has nothing.

It would be nice to see a coherent set of installation CD's : just the base system, nfs, and the desktop. Not three different web servers, a half dozen incompatible browsers, three different help systems, two printing systems, six competing sets of fonts, two different music players, tools for applications that disappeared during the Flood .. just, streamlined.

Someone almost got that working on a single-dvd install disk but that could be a problem for older boxes

ClassicHasClass wrote: Mac hardware from their early surface mount days was notorious for this.

Did your parents bitch about circuit boards, too ? We had Zeniths teevees for years because they were wired while everyone else went cheapo. Can't repair a circuit board like you can wires

In fact, the early stuff going into space all had to be wired, too. No circuit boards allowed ...

R-ten-K wrote: I was just laughing because I assumed hamei must have his own definition of what a "circuit board" is. Since his comment seemed to imply "circuit boards" and "wiring" being two antonym concepts, as if circuit components were just wired together and that was that...

Umm, yes ....

Now that we're well into the twenty-first century it's common to drop the " printed " off "circuit boards" because most people understand that you aren't talking about pieces of phenolic with standoffs rivetted to them to fasten the components that have wires soldered between their terminals, like a 1936 RCA.

But it was a good try

In any case, most of the early aerospace was wired (and yes, using circuit boards) because that was the contemporary technology.

Not from what I have been told. I had nc machines from 1963 and earlier that were all printed circuits so wire-wrap was not "state of the art" in the late sixties, but my friend from JPL had lots of bad stuff to say about elderly printed circuits. They were not reliable in space. Beyond the physical problems, they outgassed. And the connectors were a big problem. Even fastening them down caused failures. They went with wired components for reliabilty, because printed circuits did not do the job.

But Classy's house is more likely to break off and fall into the ocean than charge off into space

^ 20 million ? pffft Oracle could do it for a mere 200 mil and the system still wouldn't work !

Ain't the Private Sector grand ?


If I were Hongcouver, I'd be afraid. Very afraid. After they upgrade this system with COTS Dell boxes and new wiring hand-made by pygmies in Botswana (it's our fiduciary responsibility to save money and bring the consumers better value !), all running Windows Vista (it was on sale), the upgrade won't go six weeks between total burndowns

pentium wrote: Well actually, in the last year they did upgrade the scheduling computers to Wintel Dell machines

Did a little reading .. okay, they are blaming a "computer glitch" for Failure One.

Am I correct that the system ran without any major malfunctions for approximately thirty years under OS/2 and three antique IBM "industrial" boxes ? Then they "upgraded" to Windows / Dell and within a year had a major disaster with the entire system down, no communications, people exiting the trains and walking alongside what may or may not have been 600v live tracks ?

Interesting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... e19711156/

Then ...

... not three days after the breakdown ...

Three days later an electrician on a spur track under construction, not even in service until 2016 allegedly tripped a circuit breaker which once again brought down the entire system ? So they suspended the electrician ?

Very interesting.

We ran flawlessly for decades and if anything, the upgrading made the system more unstable.

Of course. The people running things now are imbeciles.

I don't know if you've noticed, the one thing about the Inner Party is that no matter what, they always get their salaries.

This ought to be fun to watch ... from my cave in the wilderness

ClassicHasClass wrote: systemd: The Choice of a New Generascsi0: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Write (10) 00 06 1d 3a 0d 00 00 08 00

smf works pretty well on Solaris. But then, this is Linux ....

guardian452 wrote: ... (I gave it up cold-turkey in 2007)

You didn't actually give it up since there's nothing to give up .. hence, my suggestion :

Windows XP

or Windows 2000 if you are a rabid anti-DRM zealot like yours truly.

We should face facts : in 2000 A.D. Linux on the Desktop was a nifty idea. Projects under heavy development for every aspect of our computing life. Speedy progress made on all fronts. This will be the Year of Linux on the Desktop !

And then it started snowing on the Grande Armee de Linux ...

Bottom line, there are no applications. After fifteen years the best Linux has to offer is a third-rate copy of a second-rate Windows application that still can't do cmyk. No Irfanview and none in sight.

Office applications : Open Office. Someone better shackle me, if I ever get my hands on those imbeciles there will be blood. What a steaming pile.

Vector graphics : Inkspot. They have managed to change toolkits eleven times but run ? As in, open the application and create graphics ? Maybe some time in the twenty-second century if they run out of toolkits to change to or people eager to "refactor the code."

Desktop publishing ? Scribus ? Please, mother, I'd rather drown.

Video ? unh-hunh. There's at least ten good programs started. It's Open Source, pick up a C++ textbook and make your own !

Scientific ? Well, there's some really nice calculators.

Engineering and manufacturing ? "Under heavy development ! Making incredible progress !" but still not even one decent CAD program. Twenty years but nothing you can use.

Every field you look at, same. It's not 1995 anymore. It's not even 2005 anymore. None of this shit has gone anywhere for fifteen years.

If you want to actually do anything, save yourself a lot of grief. Windows XP. At least it's static, it's not going to get any worse. Or Mac would probably work too, but I don't know enough about that. Maybe try Linux again in the year 2525.

TeamBlackFox wrote: ... as a BSD fan, I'll throw out mine.

You're missing the point tho, Team. It's like BeOS ... the operating system can be cool as hell but once you get it running, there's nothing to do with it but drag around windows and pop up awesome transparent terminals. There's no applications.

Fifteen years ago it was, "Under serious development !" but after the first ten, we need to face facts. There aren't any and there aren't going to be any.

For a desktop user, all the non-mainstream systems have turned out to be a huge disappointment. Even the most basic requirements have not been met.

Time to give it up, maybe .....

TeamBlackFox wrote: hamei, don't lump BSD in with BeOS or Loonix please.

But it's the same. You are missing the real problem.

I'm not trying to stir up trouble here, honest. There really is a big problem in non-commercial computing. Back to ajw's original question : he feels the newer Linuces are getting crappy and wanted input.

The real question is, what is he going to do with it ? If the answer is ftp, write and compile code, check on the work network from home, or run gimp, then a lighter version of Linux or a BSD is a good answer.

But if he wants to run applications, then forget it. There ain't shit, there's never been shit, there's never going to be shit. Non-commercial operating systems haven't got doodly for applications and they are never going to have any applications. It's done. Toast. Stick a fork in it. She's never going to fuck you again. Move on.

Now, about security ... this is another huge problem and one which is soon going to make the web useless for any serious tasks. Two firewall rules will totally cover your security needs with the exception of the browser .

There is the hard smelly stone in the privy. ALL browsers are written to be as porous as a colander. As soon as we got past Mosaic, the browser-writers understood the real power of the web. It wasn't that pie-in-the-sky schtuff that Berners-Lee envisioned. From the days of Jimmy-boy Clark in his unbuttoned gold-coke-spoon shyster Miami real estate developer uniform with that fascist creep Andreesen as his leading general, the browser wars have been fought over money and control. You can paint a cat brown and glue floppy ears on it but it's never going to hop. It's still Netscape and they have exactly the same plan for world domination that they always had.

This vision which people have of "security" is a joke. All you are trying to do is keep out the small-time shysters while allowing the major players to set up transmitting stations in your underwear drawer. That's a full-time job because the small-time players are just as smart as Boogle. Every trick that Boogle invents to get naked photos of your girlfriend is going to be exploited by acne-riddled Shawn living down the street in his Mum's basement, and there's no way around it !

A secure browser and a secure operating system would be simple : but that's the very last thing that the people who write them want. Between the operating system, the browser, and the websites, they are all out to shear us sheep.

The end result will be that the unwashed masses take over the web and the rest of us get a new hobby / life. I'm thinking tree house, British Columbia, fishing, because there is no way to stop this.

Has anyone ever seen this on Unix ? Supposedly both 3 and 4 were released "for Unix" but I've never seen it.

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse. ... &user=&pw=

probably not missing much but curious ...

Ya, the WordPerfect thing isn't what I was thinking of. That's not really a Corel program anyhow ... I had a CorelDraw! maybe on DOS ? Definitely on Windows 3.1 running in Winos2. It was the graphics program of its day, even more than PhotoShop ... but I've never seen it on Unix. Heard about it but never seen. There aren't even any screenies out there.

As I remember, it was an okay program. They fell on hard times after that but at that point it was decent.

ClassicHasClass wrote: ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CHALLENGE?!?!?!?!?!1

I have thought about doing a miod at times, too - put a /myPhPadmin/pwn_my_kmptr.dare file up with "har har fooled you idiots !" as content but maybe flying under the radar is safer

I still have to wonder about this 'security' fetish tho. If you run Windows and dedicate an entire core to an anti-virus program, you're about as safe as you're going to get. All the other security measures are easily defeated by stupidity. If grandma and grandpa are using the computer and they insist on doing stupid stuff, there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

More to the point, anyone who does online banking is an imbecile. Period. End of discussion.


So what's the point of all this security paranoia ? No one is going to stop this :

http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2014/09/12 ... hc-bayarea

if anyone thinks this is an isolated incident, please join the online banking group in the fools' corner. Don't forget your dunce cap.

Kira wrote: Depends on the application.

Any benchmarks on Palantir ?

^ That's the clean and pretty version. Here's the down and dirty one :

SGI management was as stupid as a dead fish. They couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Every action they took from about 1993 on was dumber than the one preceding it.

Ed McMuffin got starstruck eyes in Washington, bought Cray at Bill C's request, overpaid, gave away the good parts to Sun and moved into retirement.

Tricky Ricky Belluzzo pissed away millions ... hundreds of millions ? ... on his quest to enter the Wintel commodity market. When that failed miserably he took a job as vice-president of toilet bowl cleaning at Mickeysoft, for a few dozen million a year. Hmm.

Bumble Bob, not sure what he did except run the SGI corp-speak program to create the occasional oracular pronouncement for the gullible tech press (an arm of the Ziff-Davis Boot-Licking Toady Marketing Department). He may have been responsible for buying Alias high, then selling low. Two years later the buyer for Alias | Wavefront sold it to Autocrap for a couple hundred mil more. Mostly Bumble just filled his bank account and kept a low profile until they went bankrupt.

They got Dennis McKenna after going tits-up. The first tits-up, I think. He seemed to be doing a decent job of pumping out the flooded compartments and getting the engine running again, so as soon as the ship was stabilized they tossed him.

Last but not least they hired Bozo Ewald, who spent most of his time grinning for the cameras and hiring his friends and buying their companies. And oh yeah, scrapping millionsss of dollarsss worth of SGI product so that ... ummm ... well, I'm sure there was a good reason. Fiduciary responsibility, maybe.

In short, by 1995 they were the west coast's largest group of clowns outside of a circus. Everything they touched turned to shit : Alias, MIPS, whatever. Every time they re-sold a company it turned back into gold. They were convinced they were the coolest thing since Hawaiian shirts and coke spoons but cool doesn't pay the bills - except for the managers, who had several million dollars in cash to piss their way through. Blow dispensers in the bathrooms doesn't create good hardware.

And let's not forget nVidia ...

By the time they got to embracing Linux and Itanic, everyone with a nickel knew their products were way overpriced, the quality was in the toilet, and the SGI sales guys were the most arrogant assholes since Cornwallis' Hessians. When Bozo said, "Okay guys, we want you to migrate" all the customers* said, "YES !!" and proceeded to migrate as far away from SGI as they could get.

*footnote : a long time ago in a galaxy far away, I had some goofy beginner problem with my Indigo2. We had newsgroups then and some guy posting to alt.sys.sgi.* seemed to know his stuff. I sent him a note. His answer burned off my ears. SGI hardware was crap, their software (xfs) was crap, their service was crap, their sales force was crap and evil too, he hated them with a passion. The minute he could talk his superiors into putting up with the hassle, SGI was gone .

He ran the data storage system for the Hubble telescope. ***

I immediately thought of Irv Something, the IBM guy in charge of service for OS/2. Irv posted in the newsgroups all the time, answered questions. So did Scott Garfinkle, who did the OS/2 kernel. Someone once asked if they could do something the poster wanted and Irv answered, "Well, no, probably not for two people." Poster complained "You'd do it for Deutschebank !" and Irv replied "For Deutschebank we drop in a planeload of developers by parachute."

SGI wouldn't send the cleaning lady by Greyhound.

** Oh yeah, the "Inventor's Dilemna", I almost forgot. Does anyone remember Richard Pryor ? And his eight year old who broke the lamp ? "It wasn't me, Dad ! Really ! no, well, uhh, see, like, I was doing my homework in the living room when these aliens landed on the roof, see, and they were chasing me and one of them knocked it over, not me ! Honest !"

What did we hire you for, you stupid dipshits ? to make third-grader excuses for why the company pissed away hundreds of millions of dollars then went broke ? While you walked away with a pretty penny ? How about we set Palantir onto your bank account ? Fiduciary responsibility my rosy red ass.

*** An underlying problem with the "abandon the desktop to concentrate on Big Iron" scenario is that by 2000, the desktops were still decent - a Fuel was quite fast in those days and 4DWm was way nicer than any other Unix desktop. But their Big Iron was crap. So what they did was put their money into the product that had cancer while starving the healthy Ajax. This was to be expected because, as I mentioned at the top, the people running that place had the brains of a mentally-retarded salamander. Everything they knew about computing they learned reading a magazine on the grunter while having a cocktail over at Biff and Muffy's house.

And dat's da ugly truth of why they didn't, Black Fox.

The router does dns, normally everything is fine (except for the officially poisoned ones but that's a different subject.) There's an acl to deny any incoming connections to udp 43 except for my real dns servers. No problemo.

A while ago dropped the access-list to troubleshoot some stuff, in a short period of time I noticed a bunch of bogus entries in the dns cache :

It's not a problem cuz I cleared the phony hosts and turned the filter back on but curious about how this is done ? The phony ip's are from Korea ...

hazelden wrote: Is it possible that the great firewall of China might be kicking in ...

The gfw is predictable : bad sites get dumped to a nonexistent ip, so they never show up. This isn't foolproof but it catches 98% of the traffic and that's all they care about. And it doesn't (generally) mess with your dns except for things like facebleep, so that's not a big issue.

hazelden wrote: the IP address (59.24.3.173) brought up a mention in the following article:
http://www.dit-inc.us/node/122

Laughing

Umm, did you think I would be able to go to a place advertising "a free and uncensored Internet" ? (Except everything you do now goes through their proxy ... no conflict of interest there, I guess ...)

At least I am pretty sure the US Navy is not searching through my computer for child pornography ... six of one, half dozen of the other. Mom, better prepare that cave in the woods, I'ma comin' ...

ClassicHasClass wrote: Cache poisoning is bad news. What is your DNS server, bind? What version?

It's Cisco IOS 12.3.something.

It's not a problem since the acl's seem to stop it successfully. The bad ip's could come in through bad website requests - I tried to control the Assistant's browsing once, got a terrible kink in my back from sleeping in the dog bed. But the odd thing is, facebook, youtube, and tweeter are all dumped to ground here with a


and so on. So I'm curious how people manage to poison the dns by adding www_fAcESheEt.com [the underscore is to keep php from turning that into a link] to existing entries ? DNS is case sensitive ? It should have just found the existing ip instead of adding a new one ?

I'm also kind of curious how you'd add a phony entry in general. The router is set up to look upstream to certain designated servers to get ip's, not any old site on the innernet.

An interesting (simple) example :

http://ketil.froyn.name/poison.html

not what's going on here but worth a quick runthrough maybe ?

porter wrote: The telcos and banks have handed over retail payments to Apple on a silver plate.

"Oh look ! We wanted you to have this album on your computer, so we installed it for you ! If you are really nice, maybe we'll let you remove it !"

By the way, in the future you will be making all your payments with 0ur iPhone.


No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. Let's see how this works out.

TeamBlackFox wrote: Printing isn't a big deal, who prints from IRIX anyways?

Umm, err, well ... me ?

Not a big problem tho, you can always snapshot the window and print the graphic. Not the loveliest method but it works.

foetz wrote: posted from dillo3 btw

<aol> Me, too !<aol>

Certainly is fast. No way to change font sizes tho ? That's kind of difficult at high res

TeamBlackFox wrote: At this point I just hate to see the source of IRIX remain unreleased and bitrotting in Rackable's hands. IRIX under BSD or CDDL would be awesome.

I don't understand why people have this fixation with "release the source code" ... Is this some kind of nostalgia for Free Willy ?

There is nothing special about Irix beyond 4Dwm, the applications that ran on it, and its integration with SGI hardware.

The applications now run on something else.

The hardware is "old and deprecated".

In twenty years the open source people could easily have created their own version of 4Dwm. If Rackable freed their willy, the only thing the open source people would do to 4Dwm would be to fuck it up.

Freeing the source is about as relevant as releasing the prints to a 1948 Humber. Why ?

Kumba wrote: Technically, someone in open-source did: MaxxDesktop. Seems dead, though.

Exactly. Just like every other wonderful "project", it opens to great fanfare and a lot of promise. They get one or two versions down the road and it starts to look useful.

Then it's time to change toolkits, refactor the code, change repositories, change from cvs to subversion to git to boogle, deprecate the old cruft that supports the dead operating systems, change the build system, implement new technologies, write their own buggy streaming editor, change compilers, rename all the icons in the new toolkit, invent a new language to use, remove the icons from the toolkit and make them a separate download, deprecate the new icons and cancel the site where they used to live, change build systems, oh look, it's time to change toolkits again !

Let's not waste any of our precious energy making the program work.

Worthless crap. Discouraging.

diegel wrote: You want to add a dillorc in the .dillo directory, there you can edit the font_factor. A sample you can find here http://www.dillo.org/dillorc

Thank you, Sorry for being lazy. Font handling is a little goofy but the speed is certainly nice.

If nothing else, dillo demonstrates that a decent browser is possible. One drawback, it's extremely fast on a site like nekochan, which is already pretty fast. On the sites that are dogs, it doesn't work. So maybe it's mostly useful for older hardware ?

Still nice to have tho.

tingo wrote: What are those applications that you miss?

I need to create documents. Stuff that you do on Windows with Word, or Ami Pro if you are stubborn. On Irix I use Ted but it's a struggle. Luckily, Word is awful also so I don't feel like I'm being persecuted. I have Framemaker, should use it more and become more skilled with it but it's cumbersome for small jobs. There's no Framemaker for Linux so no problemo there Maybe Abiword would do the job. Open Office is awful. Even Akkana Peck who loves Linux can't stand the thing. It's like a second-rate bad copy of Mickeysoft Office, ugh.

Graphics, you've got GIMP. Decent enough but won't do cmyk so there goes printing. Okay for home but not for work.

Vector graphics like Corel or Illustrator, Inkspot doesn't work.

Layout like Indesign or Quark, nothing. Scribus doesn't work. Indesign 4 (aka CS2) is nice. Serif PagePlus was good. There's several choices on Windows, on Linux nothing.

CAD, nothing at all. Not a single program that's worth squat. In fact, the one that does exist is useless. In my case, that's a killer.

No CAM programs, for most people that's not a problem but the fact still is, there aren't any. None.

I do use CDRTools but it is painful. It does work well though.

Sound and video applications, nothing that works. Luckily MPlayer is good for playback but half the Linux distributions are 'deprecating' MPlayer now for some retarded reason.

The desktops themselves - what a pile of disgusting spooge. Not one single well-thought-out good-performing desktop. Twenty years after 4Dwm they are finally discovering vector icons. Be still, my heart. Even Windows 2000 is head and shoulders better than any Linux desktop. What year did is it now ?

I'm sure you can live with it - hell, I survive on Irix, although at least Irix has some good commercial apps - but why ? Every single one of these major projects has gone nowhere for years. And now they are all just like the Mickeysoft fanboys with their stewpid, "Just use gcc !" chant. What happened to cross-platform, standards-compliant, inclusive, all that good stuff ?

It's just totally discouraging. All these good intentions and big plans but it's all gone nowhere. What was the platitude about "genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration" ? Well ... somebody in fossyland needs to sweat some details. Maybe fix some real problems for a change instead of switching toolkits.

For me, I've been using FreeBSD and Linux for the last 10 - 15 years at home, and I have all the applications that I need.

I use Irix ... but if I had to change to Linux, I'd quit. Unless you are a mas0chist, the applications are awful. Of course people should use what they like but at this point, I think I'd rather run Windows 98 than Linux. It's less hassle and works better.

guardian452 wrote: As for CAD, I use Dassault's Draftsight.

Really ? thanks, I'll go take a look just for the knowledge. I hunted and hunted for ages, the best Linux had to offer was that Qt thing, I forget the name but it's useless.

Unlike autocad, it's free so you don't need a torrent and crack to use it.

Ahem, well, yes, umm, err ....

Ah. 2d. Better than nothing but not exactly Catia ... even Bobcad is 3d and that was a DOS program. Cadkey, 3d wireframe, nice program, ran on DOS 7 very nicely. That was in the mid-eighties ? You're kind of proving my point

diegel wrote: It is very good for slower O2 or Indy Hardware.

You know what else it would be great for ? Viewing html documentation. Opens and closes instantly, instead of loading the kitchen sink to just look at simple html. Think I'll set it as the default web browser in the toolchest and see how that works out ...

ClassicHasClass wrote: That's actually a really good idea ...

Even a dumb pig can find an acorn once in a while

I have a bunch of html stuff, a lot from techpubs, that I use for docs locally. I just set dillo up to access that and it works nicely. Unfortunately a few pages don't render correctly but mostly it's good. Fast.

Buuuut ... this brings up my never-ending string of bitches again. The fonts for me are all screwed up. I can set the pages to 1.8 fontsize but the rest of dillo stays tiny. Now we have to go look at the fltk settings.

This is just WRONG. From the beginning the web was designed to be display-agnostic. You use points and the dpi setting to determine font sizes. You don't fuck around with these stupid-ass goddamned pixels. This ain't CGA and DOS 3. Jesus, can people figure out the BASICS, PLEASE ??!!

Yes, I'm yelling. About to blow an aneurism, even. After forty-five fucking years can't people even figure out the most elementary requirements ? Developers ! Go stand in the corner. Put on the dunce cap. I don't want to hear a word from you for the next fifteen minutes.

eudatux23 wrote: Also a newer office suite than OpenOffice 1 would be great. What about Libreoffice?

Open Office was a major major project. The one we have only happened because SGI paid for it. Just building the thing took something like eight hours on a 16p Origin.

I have no idea why it's such a problem but there are threads here about it. Search button is up and to the right. One of the people who did Open Office 1.03 used to post here.