The collected works of hamei - Page 21

Oskar45 wrote:
... at my next working place IBM's APL2 - not APL/2 :-)

The version that ran on OS/2 was called ... wait for it !! drumroll, please ... APL/2. Like most everything else that ran on OS/2 ....
skywriter wrote:
just run GnuAPL. it's just as much fun but without the nifty keyboard. I studied it, used it, and like so many other things in life with not practical application, prompty forgot it.

There were some useful applications, but I never got smart enough to figure them out :) There was a guy generating pretty complex geometry with APL/2 and the graphics package IBM created for it. Also, apparently Morgan-Stanley used it a lot for statistics and so on ... not that I can approve of that but still :P If it didn't need a special keyboard it might have been more popular. Also, it's interpreted so if you don't have an interpreter, you're screwed. Coulda woulda shoulda been what Java became, maybe. It's pretty neat but .... so is Rexx. I wonder why Rexx never became very popular ? It's much nicer than Basic and not much harder to learn.
Oskar45 wrote:
[it's just a question of your flexibility]

Get flexible enough and you can become spineless ! See "Uncle Tom" .... :(
One of the nicest things about nekoware has been the quality of the applications. It used to be that you were never afraid to install a nekoware application. Even /beta was 99.9% likely to be fine.

Then we sort of had a lapse :( Now we've got stuff in there that's a year old and a bunch of stuff that breaks things and ... it's no longer so wonderful :(

Seems to me that Mr Nekonoko already spends plenty of his time keeping nekochan running, so asking him to keep up with that would be rude. But leaving /beta to stagnate is not a very good thing, either. If we don't do something, it's gonna be just another brick in the wall ...

Idears ?
PymbleSoftware wrote: Keywords : SQL Lite 3, firefox firefox-bin rld: Fatal Error sqlite3_enable_shared_cache unresolvable symbol

Just built SQlite 3.07.10 and installed it. Held my nose, put my right foot in the garbage can, hopped around in a circle widdershins three times and restarted Fireflop : FF didn't crash. Posting from there now.

So maybe whatever was wrong with SQLite 3 has been fixed ?
rooprob wrote:
Found this post while I was just compiling fltk 1.3 and dillo 3
Fltk compiled ok. Same issues with ellipsis and c++. Ran out time to learn why. How's the patching? Got it to compile yet?

fltk 1.3 compiles fine, just needs gmake. vish is a bit stubborn sometimes :) but we're kind of stuck with gmake, it works okay and most fossy apps depend on it. There's a recent one in nekoware.

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Did you run the fltk fluid? It works for a bit but the I managed to choose a menu item that made my O2 clear screen and play the down tune before offering me a chance to restart.

Fluid seems to work okay with fltk 1.3. The fonts on the menus are a bit weird but that may be the color combination they chose. Probably has a resource file, maybe can fix that, I haven't looked for it. On an O350 it hasn't crashed or been a problem, but I only messed with it a little to see if anything was obviously wrong.

fltk 3.0, on the other hand, doesn't even try to build. Three or four object files in, ka-poof !

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Second time I quickly made the fluid windows corrupt in redraw before I quit it.

Which Fluid was this ? The old one or 1.3 ? 1.3 seems better. Ime the O2 is also a touch shaky. Lots of things an O2 doesn't like, that don't seem to bother an O3xx series machine. Or even an Octane.

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Doesn't bode well for running fltk app like dillo.

The prior Dillo seems reliable, just limited. I think I have another couple apps that use fltk, they are not a problem. Maybe the screwup is with Fluid, more than with fltk itself. The elderly Dillo doesn't crash much ...

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O2 is stable with native apps so I don't believe it's hardware issue.

What level Irix and so on are you at ? My O2's have always been more fragile than other SGI-mobiles. Fun little boxes but still, a touch fragile.

Thanks for jumping in to this ...

edit: just built a little fltk app to test, an snmp traffic monitor, seems to be fine, if you want to try ...
My first goal is simply to get /beta cleaned up, so we can start from a known position ... any interest in a thorough winnowing operation ? A semi-automated system, like three votes plus, goes into /current, one vote bad, goes into /problems, two or three votes bad goes into /circular_file ? A sticky thread just for voting, so nekonoko doesn't have to spend all his spare time keeping track ?

Or something like that ?

If we don't work from a dependable base, we're just going to create more troubles for ourselves :(
smj wrote:
I'm wondering more what the testing guidelines are going to be. Does each tester have to fire up every other app in Nekoware to make sure there's no interference?

I wouldn't think so .... even if that were a good idea (in theory, it probably is a good idea !) we don't have the manpower. But we could use some upgrades in the maintenance department ... I would propose something as simple as "three positives in the 'testing' sticky thread and any moderator could move the app to /current" ... with maybe some structure for moving tardists that proved troublesome to /problems ...

Or something like that ? Nekoware is a very valuable resource to anyone running an SGI computer. I'd love to see it get more current, without having to make nekonoko spend hours and hours keeping track.

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Edit: I've been drinking, so don't be surprised if I'm missing the obvious...

Good idea. Maybe I should go get a drink as well :P
vishnu wrote:
fltk 1.3 is in nekoware? That must be new; the most recent version I saw when I started looking at this Dillo stuff was 1.1.7, IIRC.

Sorry. I meant that there was a newish gmake, not fltk.
cybercow wrote: Another 4Dwm sight, X-Files :) , episode with title "Aubrey" (1995) watching last night. Agent Scully and Mulder are using some kind of medical application, scanner or i dunno custom toy, there is no sight of any SGI machine nearby, seems hidden or below the desk they're seating.

Interesting the way she has the lamp shining directly on the screen in a dark room. That's going to work real good :lol:
Watch ? Bag ? DVD ?


Not a big watch fan myself but have to admit, I'd probaby do some bad stuff to grab one of these ...

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Black Cardinal wrote:
I'm not sure what would be the best way to track votes. I'd be afraid that a thread could get pretty big and spread the data out too much to easily figure out the tally.

I think you're right. On the other hand, the situation isn't going to get better by itself .... got any idears ?

btw, Indigo2's are waycool. Want to trade for an O2 ?
recondas wrote:
How about a thread for each beta app. Have the thread include the full name of the app to be tested, something like Beta Test: neko_newapp-0.1.13.tardist

That sounds pretty good - except for the part about the person who creeated the tardist creating the thread. I think most of them are dead :shock:
nekonoko wrote:
We used to have a system where submitters would post in the 'Nekoware-current' sticky thread ...

That's what I was thinking too, but actually, recondas has a point. With 160 tardists in /beta, this could be something of a problem :shock:

I'll go first, there's a few programs I've been using for quite a while that seem to be fine ... maybe we can cut /beta down to size ...

Pymble is going to love this, but a little entry in the wiki about each app might be handy ? I know he doesn't have enough to do, this will keep him off the streets for a while :mrgreen:
jan-jaap wrote: Power
I've got two extra power groups, 220V with slow 16A fuses (normal fuses are fast, which makes it hard to re-engage the fuse if it trips with a lot of systems running).

Are you talking about fuses or circuit breakers ? It's been a looong time but I remember that fuses for electronics are specially made to be even faster than normal fuses. Slow fuses are for inductive loads like motors, that have a high startup requirement but then drop back down. With electronics, you don't want power slowly drizzling in after something has gone wrong. "Slowly" being a relative term, of course ...
guardian452 wrote:
I'd love to help but I don't even have an analog monitor to run the little beastie with right now...

I've got a nice SGI 21"-er I can donate. C'mon by and pick it up :P
rooprob wrote:
I know I said I'd help but I've been obsessing over my dmrecord/virtual memory problem.

You figure out the dmrecord problem and we'll let you slide on the nekoware responsibilities ....
Suddenly (as of yesterday or the day before ?) the dustytech mirror is not automatically going into download mode, have to right-click and "save link as" ... Not a major problem but thought I'd mention it.
twix wrote:
Naturally, I used it to run OS/2.

Was there anything else ?

I had a Z-Pro of about the same vintage ... small case, same little handle-ish thing at the top front, similar style (without the sliding door), same square on-off button.. Dual Pentium Pro, wonderful computer.
It was a nice computer ... I liked it. Dual Pentium Pros that you could overclock to 240, Adaptec 2940 onboard, could go to a gig of memory, nice Matrox G400 graphics, OS/2, the case looks better than the photos, understated ... they really woke up with a pair of Pentium Pro Overdrive cpu's at 333 mhz ... that was a honkin' big socket :) Wish I still had it :(

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/pc-desktops/ibm ... 9/details/

Seems to me the mainboard was the same as the PC server 325, which could run OS/390 with an addin board ? Kjaer probably knows ....
nekonoko wrote:
Hmm, I have no control over that except to take it off the mirror list or something.

That seems extreme, it works okay if you rmb and save .... just thought I'd mention it here since most likely they haven't noticed yet.
further adventures of dick and jane ...

dustytech still exhibits the wrong mime types problem but it is current and you can rmb and save

flatrock seems to have disappeared

us.mirror.nekochan.net seems to be waaay out of date

ftp.nekoware.de crashes fireflop with an unending series of popup failure messages, have to kill fireflop

se.mirror.nekoware.met never loads, stays "connecting" forever

Some of this could be because of my lovely internet connection but if anyone else wants to check .....
Oskar45 wrote:
.de works on the iPad w/ Safari. ".met" => ".net" ?

Can you install tardists on an iPad now ? Cool !

The "m" was a fatfinger. Supposed to be an n. Clicked from the nekochan list of mirrors, anyhow. Can you get there from Australia ? Our connections here behind the bamboo wall are often crappy.
Neo wrote:
Thank you all for the replies. I guess I will have to stick with basic functions.

Jeeze, guys, no need to be so negative. I have yet to see a person starting out who needs a 6 ghz quad-xeon running Creo v9.

From the sig I'd say you need something very light. Maya 4.0 is supposed to be a lot faster on older hardware, and Maya skills will carry over to newer versions. There's also Lightwave which is very quick and should run fine on an Indy. In the free realm, try Ayam and of course there's Blender. Blender has an ... "unusual" interface so maybe that's not the best choice, although the principles of all of them are the same.

And if people sneer, just remember --

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robespierre wrote:
i NURBS were developed to make modeling organic shapes easier, don't know if I would call that a success. ;)

I'm pretty sure that NURBS came from the CAD world. Could be wrong but I remember when they were pushing Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines as the best new thing since sliced toast.

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The objects often looked "phong-solid" rendered (shades of one color) and only on some objects low resolution textures (maybe procedural) were used. Was also the color pallete smaller? Also the pictures often had much more "cartoon" look and less "contrast". Were mainly 4096 colors (12bit) used in the middle of 80ties?

Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-dan Armada. :P

Download The Last Starfighter and see if you still think that. Released in 1984 so they had to be working on it in 1982 ....
robespierre wrote:
... I first learned of NURBS because Wavefront was promoting them.

I'm fairly sure that early high-dollar CAD systems could create NURBS curves, since they started pushing that stuff downstream in the mid eighties for lower-cost programs. I remember at the time thinking "Thank God I don't have to mess with that shit - how the heck would you measure it ?" CMM's were very expensive then.
kubatyszko wrote:
... what could that jack sockets on that big add-on be ?

Five bnc connectors for another monitor, maybe ? What are they pulling in with the ribbon cable, tho ?

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Is this any "official" version of Indy, or maybe a custom mod ?

I would not instantly "reinstall Irix" on that drive ! Microsoft is going to have a hell of a lot to answer for when they meet St Peter.

robespierre wrote:
There is another listing for what appears to be the same type of unit, at
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SGI-Silicon-Gra ... 0551118018

Funny :P That "move mouse over photo for enlarged view" was stolen from taobao. Intellectual Property Theft ! Intellectual Property Theft ! Help ! Murder ! Police ! The biggest screamers are the first offenders ... "look and feel" Apple, iphone the registered trade mark of Cisco Systems , but when it becomes inconvenient Apple could care less about "intellectual property." Al Capone would be proud.

Oh, sorry, it was a business decision. That makes it all okay. Next time I shoot someone it will be a business decision. Then I'll get a medal instead of jail time.

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I would guess an industrial automation product, maybe for optical recognition of parts/defects in a manufacturing plant. No way to really know unless somebody buys one and looks at the boards.

Some chip makers apparently used Fuels with V12's for some sort of lithography process. Same geographical area, same kind of thing ?
robespierre wrote:
now they have made it automatic.

No ! no ! No ! You don't understaaand ! taobao OWNS that feature ! It's THEIR innovation ! It's totally different when you have to click to zoom ! AUTOMATIC zooming is patented ! And copyright ! and Intellectual Property !

I get so fucking sick of the asshats spouting this shit that I just want to shoot them. Purely as a business decision, you understand :P

Robespierre : this is fascinating !

http://www.sanskritweb.net/forgers/#FORGERS

thanks !

BTW, found the ad I was thinking of : it was for a scanning electron microsocope that used a Fuel with V12. Seems possible that the Fuel was used only because earlier 'scopes used SGI hardware ? Why would anyone design new hardware with a Fuel these days ?
robespierre wrote:
... everyone's a crook ...

sanskrit website wrote:
In 1920-1940, Monotype made imitation fonts of old typefaces (e.g. Bell, Bembo, Centaur, Plantin, Poliphilus, etc.). Today, Monotype is known for releasing font forgeries. No Windows user can avoid using fonts forged by Monotype, because Microsoft integrated these forgeries into all versions of Windows. See e.g. the 2006 decisions concerning the font forgeries supplied with Windows Vista.


Intellectual Property ! Intellectual Property !! Microsoft loses 27 billion dollars a year due to piracy !!! :P

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Historical Notes: In 1992, the old company Monotype Corporation Ltd. went bankrupt and was liquidated. This means that the old Monotype Corporation Ltd. does not have a legal successor. In the same year, the font forging company Monotype Typography Ltd. was founded. This new outfit used the name "Monotype", but was not the legal successor to the old Monotype Corporation Ltd. and therefore did not own the rights to old fonts made by the old Monotype Corporation Ltd.

In 1989, the former Compugraphic Corp. acquired by Agfa-Gevaert ceased to exist. Later in 1998, Agfa acquired Monotype, and the Agfa Monotype Corporation was founded. In 2000, Agfa Monotype acquired International Typeface Corporation from Esselte AB, which had previously bought ITC and also Letraset.

In 2004, Agfa sold the Agfa Monotype division to TA Associates, a private equity investment firm. TA Associates founded a new company Monotype Imaging Inc. offering old Monotype, Compugraphic, ITC and Letraset fonts, intermingled with fonts by other companies (Adobe, Linotype etc.).

In August 2006, the Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG sold its fully-owned German company Linotype GmbH to the American company Monotype Imaging Inc. owned by the private equity investment company TA Associates.


So even the companies that originally forged the fonts ceased to exist and the new companies that have forged the names of dead companies holding copyrights on fraudulent fonts are not in any way connected to the original forgers ! Intellectual property, this is what the US bases its economy upon. Cool !!

Holy kern hell, Batman ! :shock:

God, I love it ! thieving academics at the Big Name Institutions, too !
sanskrit site wrote:
It is easily recognizable that "Nina" is identical with "Original Garamond", designed by D. Stempel AG in 1926 on the basis of a typecut attributed to the Renaissance typecutter Claude Garamond. In 1996, the trademark "Original Garamond" was replaced by the fancy name "Nina", and the "International Journal of Tantric Studies" (IJTS), edited by Prof. Michael Witzel (Harvard University), claimed that the IJTS holds the "copyright" in the "Nina" font. Is this the usual method, by which "original" works are created at Harvard? It is assumed that academics are mentally able to understand that the trademark "Original Garamond" should not have been replaced by the fancy name "Nina" and that the original notice should not have been replaced by the notice "Copyright (c) 1996 International Journal of Tantric Studies. All rights reserved."

robespierre, you made my day ! to the tumbrels with all of them :P

(Why Herr D Stempel should have been able to copyright a font "based on" a typeface created by M Claude Garamond 300 years earlier is yet another interesting question :P )
Sumptuary laws, aka horseshit :P
guardian452 wrote:
Apple eventually paid Cisco a fortune to license the names iphone and ios... after cisco sued the pants off apple.

From the Monongahela valley to the Mesabi iron range
To the coal mines of Appalachia, the story's always the same.
Seven hundred tons of metal a day, now you tell me the world has changed
Once I made you rich enough, rich enough to forget my name.
pentium wrote:
.

Here, pentium, just for you ...

Here we go

Piece of shit car
I got a piece of shit car
That fuckin' pile of shit
Never gets me very far

My car's a big piece of shit
'Cause the shocks are fucking shot
And my seatbelt's fucking broken
I got to tie it in a knot
(It's a piece of shit)

I can't see through the windshield
'Cause it's got a big fucking' crack
And the interior smells real bad
'Cause my friend puked in the back
(It's a piece of shit)

(Piece of shit car)
Piece of shit car
(He's got a piece of shit car)
It sucks royal dick
(That fuckin' pile of shit)
100% crap
(Never gets him very far)
Oh fuck you car

It's got no CD player, it only got the 8-track
Whoever designed my car can lick my sweaty nut sack
(They can bite his ass too)
And I got no fuckin' brakes
I'm always way out of control
Eleven times a day I hear "Hey, watch it asshole"
(You fuckin' piece of shit)

(Piece of shit car)
I got piece of shit car
(He got a piece of shit car)
Diesel gas sucks my ass
(That fuckin' pile of shit)
That pile of metal shit
(Never gets him very far)

Oh what the fuck did I do
What the fuck did I do
What the fuck did I do
To get stuck with you
You're too wide for drive-through
And you smell like the shoe
But I'm too broke to buy something new
Oh fuck me

Well the engine likes to flood
The car always fuckin' stalls
And the seat cushion's got a big rip
So a spring always pokes the balls
(Ouch, ouch, ouch)
Plus the door locks are busted
I gotta use a fucking coat hanger
(What a pain in his ass)
And if a girlie sees my car
There's no chance I'll ever bang her
(He never ever gets the pussy)
Hey shut up
(Piece of shit car)
You piece of shit car

(You got a piece of shit car)
You piece of shit car
(Piece of shit car)
Bald fuckin' tires
(You got a piece of shit car)
No rearview fucking mirror
(Piece of shit car)
Seven different colors
(You got a piece of shit car)
Fucking rag for a gas cap
(Piece of shit car)
Tailpipe makes the sparks fly everywhere
(You got a piece of shit car)
(Piece of shit car)
(You got a piece of shit car)
(Piece of shit car)
Oh the whole town thinks I'm a loser
(You got a piece of shit car)
Cabby give me a push
(Piece of shit car...)


kubatyszko wrote:
Very interesting to see how a thread can DERAIL from it's original subject :P

Kinda cool, isn't it ? :P
Oskar45 wrote:
But I've no idea about whether one of them compiles properly...

competent, what did you do to fix this ?

Code:
cc-1020 CC: ERROR File = algebra.h, Line = 88
The identifier "uint32_t" is undefined.

uint32_t        i;
^

cc-1020 CC: ERROR File = algebra.h, Line = 91
The identifier "uint32_t" is undefined.

union { float f; uint32_t i; } u;
^

cc-1020 CC: ERROR File = algebra.h, Line = 110
The identifier "uint32_t" is undefined.

union { float f; uint32_t i; } u;
^

3 errors detected in the compilation of "algebra.cpp".

Adding
Code:
#include <stdint.h>

did not do the trick. Apparently this has been a problem for a while ...

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=de ... tid=491092

a thousand eyes, a thousand hands but still no solution ....
Oskar45 wrote:
@hamei: might not be the solution, but I'd try to do a grep over /usr/include [and subdirs] to see whether uint32_t is defined somewhere else as well. Sorry, can't check that now as I don't have access to my boxes.

Thanks, but actually I don't care about Pixie. I just thought I'd run it through quickly and if it built easy, what the heck. But the one set of bugs noted above was from foetz, who is about ten thousand times smarter than me, and he didn't solve the problem. Plus I have since found several other non-productive discussions between the Pixie guys and Randolf Schultz, who does Ayam. It also (apparently) crashes later on when you try to use it, even if you get it to build. I wonder how competent got it going ? CC, where's you at, boy ?

Anyway, I'm back to something I hope will be more useful but thanks for the pointer ....
Oskar45 wrote:
@hamei: sorry for bothering you again. Can you try once more but replace <uint32_t i;> by <unsigned long int i;>? Thanks.

Ees no problem, senor. Nice work, we got past the first three errors ! My one question about that is these are apparently routines for "faster" math but they seem to be integer-centric. I bet they aren't really "faster" on MIPS processors ...

Anyway, now we get

Code:

cc-3700 CC: WARNING File = ../ri/atomic.h, Line = 144
#warning directive: Atomic Instructions are not supported on this platform,
defaulting to generic implementation

#warning Atomic Instructions are not supported on this platform, defaulting to generic implementation
^

cc-3168 CC: ERROR File = ../ri/atomic.h, Line = 149
A name followed by "::" must be a class or namespace name.

osLock(CRenderer::atomicMutex);
^

cc-3168 CC: ERROR File = ../ri/atomic.h, Line = 151
A name followed by "::" must be a class or namespace name.

osUnlock(CRenderer::atomicMutex);
^

cc-3168 CC: ERROR File = ../ri/atomic.h, Line = 157
A name followed by "::" must be a class or namespace name.

osLock(CRenderer::atomicMutex);
^

cc-3168 CC: ERROR File = ../ri/atomic.h, Line = 159
A name followed by "::" must be a class or namespace name.

osUnlock(CRenderer::atomicMutex);
^

4 errors detected in the compilation of "precomp.cpp".


If you have any ideas I'll be happy to plug them in. Even if this isn't something I want, seems like someone might be happy to have it.
Alver wrote: Oy... so close :shock: I'm seriously tempted.

Go for it, Alver. That's THE most desirable, beautiful SGI computer. Go look at the photo of jan-jaap's ... if that doesn't have you drooling, nothing will.
bplaa.yai wrote:
This is where "porting" comes into play (read : rather than #ifdefing and #including ;) )

I'd be happy if I could do #including and #ifdeffing :P Youse guys are okay .... grazie, grazie from all of us non-programmers.
robespierre wrote:
The multiplier is part of the data contained in the serial ROM on the module, I thought.

And I thought a DM 10 was something special :)

In reality, the resistors change the multiplier just like on a old peecee .... been there, done that.
masteruser wrote:
It looks some like this.

Pretty good, especially if you don't have an Irix computer ... here's what an actual terminal looks like with (almost) the same display (gocr-ed your photo, so not perfect)
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Oh, one more thing ... there's no Flash for Irix, so using Flash is a little inappropriate :P
sgienthu wrote:
Ops!

I try to render a basic ".rib" file but I'm getting next error:

Code:
"/usr/nekoware/lib/Pixie/displays/file.so" has missing implementation


What's going on with file.so?

I didn't install the tardist - I'm not a Maya guy - but from a simple command using some of the examples canavan pointed to, the program drew a rendered scene in a window on the desktop. You might try running < rndr foofoo.rib > from a command line to see what's happening ...
masteruser wrote:
In flash is whole 'game' created, on background work with php and mysql. It is for BROWSER !

Ah, I forgot. Postmodern society .... a reconstruction of a simulation, on x86, with the real thing thrown aside. Cool :P