The collected works of hamei - Page 20

I had a tape of Cadkey 6 for Sun at one time. So there's one .....

Was cleaning up, came across a tarfile I'd never opened, wondered what it was ...

http://equinox3d.com/index.html

Pretty nice 3d modelling app from a guy who worked for Alias | Wavefront when they were a real company ! Looks good, (in fact, the screenshots on the website don't do it justice so don't be misled), has an Irix executable available. It's a few versions back from the Linnix one but maybe with some encouragement ...... download 'er, see what you think. Maybe we can twist his arm ...

Yeah, it drops down below 70 sometimes ...

This is just another indication of how small-minded the idiot MBA's running our society truly are. Eventually their obssession with squeezing every centime possble out of anyone who comes within grabbing distance destroys the company. Goose, golden egg, all that.

As for those who claim it doesn't matter, real customers will not be inconvenienced and no one cares about hobbyists, verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

I understand what you are saying but we have verifiable proof that it does matter, even for IBM. In fact, especially for IBM. After their history they should be the very last company to do this. The IBM example is the one that should be up on the wall for all to contemplate. Technocrats snivel about "foo-foo classes at University" but in fact, more of those business d00ds should have some literature jammed down their throats. If they'd read any Greek tragedy they might not make these stupid stupid mistakes. HUBRIS !!

IBM invented the peecee, you know. No, not the "personal computer" but the IBM-compatible peecee that is a gazillion-dollar business today.

IBM also had the world's worst three-losing-quarters in a row and almost lost the entire company as soon as people had a viable alternative to their slimy arrogant "fuck the world, we're IBM" attitude. When clones came out people could not get away from IBM fast enough. Do you want to bet your company that there will never be an alternative to your crap behavior ?*

This short-term greedy stupidity will have consequences down the road. Oedipus did fine for a long long time but in the end his initial errors destroyed him. That was the point.

Lesson One : consequences are inevitable. That foo-foo feel-good literature crap is more relevant than our modern-day MBA's will accept**. People are still people, no matter how modern we are.

The "business point of view" will do nothing over the long run except destroy companies (and societies). Period. That's the point of Greek tragedy.



* A major problem with the US today is that CEO's could care less about the company. If they can get enough cash out in one or two years to make themselves wealthy the company can go directly to Hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Yet we idolize these worthless bastards. Americans are incredibly stoopid.

**Actually, MBA's are too retarded to understand the meaning of literature - if they had an IQ over thirty they'd get a real degree, but that's another subject.

There is no hope for the world.

You realize if she's taking you to meet the parents then you're going to get married ? I'm serious. You should probably not do that unless you are willing to take her for life.

On this occasion I am not being humorous ... you are playing with fire.

Porter, it's not nice to bait the little fishies

Most likely ... Not to hurt your feelings, Sky, but you are kind of an old fart, your "engineers" were never that good anyway, not like these whip-sharp young kids that grew up with computers ...




I believe Sky has a problem with the English language. He mistakenly believes it should be used to accurately describe a situation. In the case you refer to, "undervolt" is obviously wrong. If it were under the voltage at which the cpu operates, then the cpu would not function. "Undervolt" is neither a noun nor a verb. Using it any other way than describing a failure to function is incorrect.

But what the heck, we live in the world of NewSpeak so why not ? When "democracies" really mean "puppet governments run by friendly dictators who willingly take our bribes to distribute to their friends and families", what the heck difference does the inaccurate use of a technical term matter ?

Unless, of course, you were referring to ...

Look ! in the sky !
It's a bird !
It's a plane !

no, it's .... Undervolt !!

Dillo 3.0.2, so far ...


Looks like just two errors so far but I amn't no C programmer

Yes, it is ...

One small step for man, one giant leap forward for mankind !

That works, thank you. I suppose there's a reason for that ?

On to the next hurdle ...


Doesn't this C thing have any standards whatsoever ? Tell you what, if I made a wheel that had a 14.5" rim just because I thought that was cool, a hell of a lot of people would be really pissed at me.

Dillo says it needs 1.3, so I just grabbed it and compiled. Went okay as long as I didn't enable shared libraries.


and awaaay we went ... --enable shared didn't get to first base.

Here's my enwironment, if that helps - it's pretty simple :

@(#)$Header: IRIX 6.5:1289662620 built 07/20/06 at splat:/xlv41/6.5.30m/root $

Tell you what : I'll send you fltk, you send me dillo

This really shouldn't happen, you know. I can understand complex pieces of software not being easily portable but this is ridiculous.


Ah. Thank you, monsewer. We'll have to discuss proper use of Mme Guillotine one of these days, I have a few prospective clients . I assume (where is dc_v01 these days, anyhow ?) that this means I could change CC=cc to CC=c99 and it would compile clean ? Will go try that. Maybe t'would be better to do the rest of the source that way as well, just in case.

Here's one of my pet peeves, btw. I know people don't rtfm but these days, even finding the fine manual is a chore. Usually it doesn't exist. It's getting to be difficult to even find the dependency requirements. A lot of places seem to think that documentation means directions for installing binary packages on twelve varieties of Crapnix. It's getting to be quite annoying.

Anyway, anybody got an idear about the

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Told you I didn't know what I'm doing I'm just doing grunt work, if some famous developers would step up to the plate I could restrict myself to giving lectures about how you idiots are shitting your own bed by sending all the middle class work overseas. But alas ... no rest for the wicked.


Yeah, all this stuff requires gmake. It's an easy fix tho, the gmake in nekoware works well. Then a simple setenv make gmake and you are ready for the brave new world of a thousand eyes, a thousand hands !


Cool ! A newer Dillo might be nice. In the meantime I've started using a proxy and blocking off dozens of googlead addresses and turning off javashit. It helps. Fireflop only crashes once in a while now.

btw, c99 did not fix the problem. Robespierre's citation is probaly accurate but in this case, not a solution. The guillotine part tho, I'm still willing to discuss

C++ is pile of crap and the high-tech wizards bringing us this brave new world have the brains of a flea. What a bunch of incompetent morons. High-tech, a giant bowl of pigshit. This is ridiculous.

A little research finds that Richy Babe is exactly the same as Billy G. Extend ! Embrace ! Exterminate !

Variadic macros were not part of the C++ standard until - 2011 ! By which time, as you say, they had been a gcc "extension" for over ten years. The next time some dork tells me to "just use gcc!" I'm going to punch them right in the mouth. I am well and truly sick of this shit.

Got wxwidgets to compile yesterday, grabbed a few sample apps to check it out. Out of ten, maybe three actually compiled ? The rest threw up error messages ranging from "An unsigned integer is being compared to zero" (even a non-programmer can tell THAT is a stupid idea) to "the function xxx has no corresponding operator "delete" to be called if an error is thrown during initialization of an allocated object". Seems sensible. Quality ? Quality, anybody ? Testing ? Proper coding ? What's that ? It compiles with gcc, it must be fine !

This entire software thing is pretty much a pile of crap. Very discouraging. When I find something that actually compiles and works well these days I am shocked and amazed. This is going to be the high-tech future of the United States ? Crappy software and even crappier javashit-laden ad-driven web pages selling "luxury brand" garbage - anybody looked at the Gucci crap recently ? shit made for $5 in Guangdong, selling in the US for $375 ? Or "social networking" sites suitable for thirteen year olds, this is high-tech ? If somebody doesn't wake up real fast, the US is in deep shit without a paddle.

wxwidgets has an html widget. Seems like a possible for a browser that doesn't crash every five minutes. Maybe. Hope your Dillo alterations go well, you're past my level now

Umm, no. What you are saying is that a Fiberfab Valkyrie is the same as a GT-40. It isn't. It's fine that you run NetBSD, no problems with that, your computer etc etc. But unless you are also running the SGI software that actually uses that O2 hardware, it ain't really an O2. It's the combination that makes it what it is.

"A thousand eyes, a thousand hands" ... did he really mean to say "ten thousand monkeys, ten thousand typewriters" ?

wxwidgets might be okay, vish. At least it compiled. I'm just a little disappointed that it isn't what I thought it was (and I dont really see the point of it, if it is what it looks to be.)

You can scratch the "/Unix" off that description, too

Okay le, explain this to this donkey : wxWidgets is "cross-platform." But what's the point ? It's not cross- toolkit . So you are still stuck with the same damned problem. The C part is already cross-platform (if the C code is actually up to snuff.) The part that's a hassle is the ridiculous amount of toolkits. So wxWidgets "uses the native toolkits" but there's already implementations of the native toolkits for almost every platform you might want to run.

You can't write wxWidget Base code then have wxWidgetMotif libraries turn it into "native" Motif on a native-Motif system, or get wxWidgetGTK2 output to "native GTK2" on a native-GTK2 system. (Which is what I thought it did and why there isn't a project to do just this astounds me ? Yes, of course it would be limited to the simpler functions but 90% of programs only use simple functions, so why not ?)

So what's the damned point ? GTK2 is the same across platforms, so is GTK, so is Motif, so is fltk. What do you get by adding another layer ?

This isn't really that difficult a concept. If you take a C-Type Jaguar and put a nice small-block Ford in it, the car still looks like a C-Type and probably runs better than any C-Type ever did, but it is no longer really a C-Type. The whole is the sum of the parts, not the sum of some parts along with some other parts. That would be a different whole. Maybe a better whole, this isn't a value judgement, but not the whole that is implied by saying "I use an O2." What you use is O2 hardware that is running NetBSD.

It's a fine and dandy thing but not the same.

"Brian Dougherty describes PC/GEOS’s user interface:-

' The object oriented flexible user interface technology in PC GEOS is to this day the most sophisticated U.I. technology ever built into an OS. The team at Sun that developed Java studied it and stole some of the concepts but in my opinion did not achieve the same level of sophistication.

Applications in PC GEOS contained a generic tree of objects describing the user interface features the app required with the ability to provide hints for how to realize those elements. The operating system then had a specific user interface library that would map those generic UI objects to specific UI elements like menus or dialog boxes.

The same binary of an application could be made to run under an entirely different look and feel. For example, at one point we wrote a Mac UI that turned a PC running GEOS into a machine that was almost indistinguishable from a Mac. You could go to preferences and select either the Mac UI or the Motif UI (Windows-like) and the system would restart and all of the applications would come up under the look and feel you selected. You almost have to see this live to believe how cool it was.

We actually got into extensive discussions with Apple about developing a low cost notebook that would run GEOS with the Mac UI. It got killed by the hardware group doing Mac notebooks, but it went all the way to a board meeting we attended with Scully et al before it died'."


http://camendesign.com/writing/geos

Modern interface programmers do nasty things with the rotting portions of a deceased male donkey

But it never locks up ! It's Unix ! Nothing to worry about, that's just the window manager freezing.

Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy ?

Back to dillo, vish ... if you can make up a template for fixing the variadick bs, I can do a bunch of the gruntwork of altering the code, location by location. I'd like to have a newer dillo, don't mind putting in some time if it will help ... I could always poop only once a week, that would save an hour here and there. If people gone say I'se full of crap, may as well be full of crap

Cool ! now, get it copper plated, like baby shoes

I'm not sure dillo will be a lot better but it's worth having.

About fireflop, I was serious about reviving OS/2 solutions. I'm now running smartcache with a huge list of refused addresses. It does seem to help. Killing javascript is also a big help. Much of the trouble I have had with fireflop seems to originate in crappy javascript track-you scripts. If the capitalist idiots insist on making the Internet unusable, I'll just restrict myself to the portion of the 'net that hasn't been corrupted. Screw you, google. And the horse you rode in on.

Google data is not what I was concerned about ... it's the googleads and googleapi and all that javascript garbage that people embed in their web pages that totally screws up Fireflop. At least, it does on a slow connection. Try checking out "view page source" and then searching for .js. It's ugly out there ! Killing those addresses (and a bunch more) has dropped my fireflop crashes in half, or maybe more.

Back at the OK Corral, was doing a quick attempt at mxshowfont. It seemed useful. Compiled fine except that

Grr. Something missing in the Makefile ? libXt.sa.4.10 should be a stub ? So I tried butchering things by making a link to libXt.a and renaming it to libXt.sa.4.10 which caused the app to compile. The binary opens but then crashes immediately with a "bus memory error", which seems to indicate that was not a very effective fix

Suggestions ?

It would give me a hint if I knew what I was doing, but still cool - the window actually opens now

gdb is a no-go but dbx says :


Cool, thanks. Of course, now I have a couple processes I can't kill but what the heck ! Progress is our most important product ...

Spiffy ! thanks ... if I can't fix anything, at least I can help to point the way to people who can ...

New Year's eve tonight, have fireworks and dinners to attend so no C program messing for a couple days but ... progress is good, thank you

Funny you should mention that ... I had APL/2 for a while, played with it a little. APL will do graphical CAD, there was a guy who was creating spiral bevel surfaces with APL, must have been about 1990 ? And there is an Irix version of APL also, came from Morgan-Stanley I believe. I have it somewhere if you can't find it. Interesting system. Does it still hold the record for "most undecipherable code ever" ?

We always said that as "Gung hay, fat boy !"

Happy draggin' year to y'all ....