The collected works of hamei - Page 29

Seconded. Okay, V100 but same fans and case design.

If I get food poisoning at some restaurant, I don't go back. You guys are such optimists, I have to applaud you

More often than I would like, yes

Contrary to popular opinion, China already had late-stage capitalism. That's why the Qing dynasty was such a failure.

We are in the process of returning to that situation. The lowly worker population is nothing and worth nothing, just hire the cheapest "labor" you can for any task. Hence the total ignorance of any concepts of food safety in the restaurant kitchens of modern China. But the owners make a profit !

That's what counts, right ? Until someone who just spent the night blowing it out both ends finally snaps and breaks the faces of the stinking ignorant job creators, anyhow.

At least Windows 8 isn't that bad. You can just ignore it. I'm surprised you guys waste your time on these false hopes.

It's been a while but I think the VW box was the basis for the Hewland Mk IV and the later FT-200 gearboxes. Maybe you could slide in a Hewland gearbox

I've never done it myself, you understand, but I'm told you have to use a sensitive measuring probe

Because life isn't really about profits ?

Mine is, and it hasn't seemed to cause any problems.

I pulled you out and we were safe, but you went running baaack ...

geo, you need some ktv time !

archive.org probably hurt the feelings of the military-industrial complex

Eizo builds at least one monitor that has two collaborating* dvi inputs as well. And I think Barco does, too.

*each input drives a portion of the screen, not two inputs from which you can choose one which then drives the entire screen.

Are we too old to join the circus ?

In your case, a 3745. You won't go back.

Wolf ! Wolf !

Global warming is not an Algore hoax, and seven billion people is about five billion too many. It will come crashing down.

Maybe today was the tipping point. Don't discount them Mayans yet ....

2U of rack space. You do have a rack or two, right ? Two fans. The one I have at home has no fans, thus silent, but you want the big ponies. Could probably replace the fans with quieter ones. I'm going to do that to the 3660 because it has six fans and is a touch noisy. Power draw depends on how many external devices you connect (PoE) ... you could go with a 3725 but if you like stuff, you'll want the extra slots later. They are not power-hungry.

Firewall, telephony (want intercom capability in the house ? built into the Cisco), almost any kind of interface, reliability ... did I mention [b]reliability[/n] ? plus capabilities you haven't even considered yet. Ain't no two ways about it, j-j. If you are a computer freak the Cisco is the only way to fly.

They are extremely nice. Honest.

Sorry, clicked the wrong button Those things are tiny !


Cisco is relaxing. You get it running then you forget it exists.


That was in 2011. It went another six months before I had to disconnect it to move it across the room.

Before I got carried away with the current phone project, I hadn't even touched the thing since then. Literally. Prior to that, during an equal amount of time we went through two Buffalos* and a Linksys. (It gets very hot here in summer.)

And oh yeah, the Zyxel that fried at home (belonged to China Telecom, who cares), replaced by a TPLink (never buy one of those, more cheap junk but easy to get on a Saturday morning) finally replaced by another Cisco.

Smartest thing I ever did network-wise was go to Cisco. (Not Linksys.) When I get a hair up my ass I can play with it. Otherwise it just runs.

I don't like shit that's a pain in the ass. The Cisco router is anything but.

I can see where a lot of people would rather have a nice small Buffalo or whatever. And they are a good choice for most people. But j-j has a miniature NORAD command center for a hobby. I think he can handle it.


*Once you get the hang of it, I find IOS more logical and easier to use than the graphical interface of dd-wrt.

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While you're here, toxics ... you're a Solaris guy, aren't you ? I started ntp running a few days ago on a V100 (Cisco router acting as ntp server, took a couple small entries


in the config, ahem) - the ntp client in Solaris shows up as


but the computer is still about fifteen minutes slow. I know it takes a while to catch up but how long should this take ?

None of the above, and it doesn't matter. It's simple science, doesn't play favorites. There are too many people for the health of the organism.

It would probably be better for the world if there were no people whatsoever but historically it looks like the place can support a couple billion. More than that and we just fuck everything up.

Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts.

To some extent I have to agree with you. As a company Cisco management is despicable.

However, several of their products are good. I can't say about the RV180 'cuz I don't have one. Maybe it does everything these older boxes do, too. But the 3640 was excellent. The 3745 is very similar but slightly updated and a three-times faster cpu. It's MIPS, too There are newer units but the cost zooms way up. The 3700 series seems to be a good point in the cost-vs-benefits curve. I went 3660 only because one became available here, importing is a pita. That and I have developed network module lust ...

Did a touch of research, with a single power supply and a couple network modules the power draw is ~ 60 watts. I was mistaken, the 3745 has four fans where the 3640 had two. But people have succesfully replaced the windtunnel models with quiet units. The six fans in the 3660 have to go I'm thinking two 140 mm units will move the same air but with a lot less noise.

The reason I think you'd be happier with a more industrial unit is that you really can do a lot of things with these older boxes for a low cost. With the network module system they are extremely versatile. Most used network modules are cheap .. you can have serial interfaces (built-in terminal server for all your antiques, accessible from anywhere with an internet connection), T1, ISDN, ADSL, SDSL, Ethernet, Fastethernet, Gigabyte Ethernet (that one is expensive), modems, frame relay, maybe FDDI, telephony, twisted pair, optical, you name it. In a small installation you don't need a separate firewall - everything a PIX will do, IOS will do in the router. Faxes to an smtp server so those little mass-marketing jerks can't use up all your ink and paper. Internal 80 gigabyte transparent proxy server. The slow-ethernet adapters have AUI connectors as well, so you could run FatWire to the Indigos. Token Ring (never can tell, maybe you'll find an IBM you like some day.) Four-port ethernet switch, 16 port fast-ethernet managed switch. Want intercoms throughout the house ? Grab a few 7900-series phones for $30 each and away you go, call anywhere in the house. Hit 82, "Help ! the baby shit his diapers ! You better come up here and change him !" Grab an FXO module and connect the phones to the outside phone company. Hardware IPsec VPN. NTP, DNS, DHCP, all in the router. PoE. Vlans, of course. QoS. IOS is straightforward once you get used to it. (Admittedly the getting used to part is a bit of a hurdle in the beginning.) ACL's are not simple but hey, that's true anywhere

Converged, man. Converged

I didn't come to this conclusion as a fanboy - "Oh Cisco is so kewl d00d ! they're like so high-tech that we don't need like farmers no more man, we'll all be Knowledge Workers !" I hate Cisco. Their management is despicable. They cheat on taxes, they cheat the stockholders and society by lying about their books to "increase profits quarter over quarter", John Chambers and all his buddies should be in prison taking the big ten inch up the ass hourly. Put it up on an Internet video-sharing rich user experience channel. They are scum.

I was forced into it by failing soho stuff. Cisco routers work. *


I get used 'junk'. Some of the 2800 series machines use network modules as well, I believe you can get them with wireless built-in and they aren't totally expensive on price ? But a few versions back is double-cheap. I have found that a little bit slower industrial-grade equipment is still faster than less-reliable soho stuff. But then again, our environmental situation is terrible (it is very hot and humid in summer, cold and dry and lots of static electricity in winter) so ymmv. But I will say that the Assistant is not averse to snivelling at slow network speeds. Complaints have been way down on the networking front since I went Cisco. And I get to surf for pr0n instead of rebooting the router



* This endorsement only applies to the ones I have bought. Mine are all kind of elderly, from back in the times when bad products meant the company failed. Due to "free market forces" and protection-racket legislation there are now two or three companies which control everything, zero choice and precious little quality control. Yippee.

Hmm. Well, two people in this thread have owned ZyXEL products and would not recommend them in any way. Another person has the item you asked about and said it was okay but very slow. A fourth person whom I believe to be more electronically savvy than most of us discarded that device from consideration after checking out its reputation.

If that is worthless bashing, may I suggest that you look for a Circuit City flyer or a Ziff-Davis 'review' of the product in question ? That should be more helpful to you.

Best to stay on the porch then, sky.


Correction : you had a Linksys Linux-based piece of shit.

There is the problem with the "let's buy an el-cheapo brand so we can grow the business" philosophy. If your reputation is based on quality, then you try to infer that the low-priced crap is just as good as your good stuff, what happens is the opposite. A turd will remain a turd no matter how it's painted but now the good stuff is smeared with the turd's reputation.

Of course Chambers and three other people made a bundle when the stock got a boost because he was going to "grow the business" and all the Bloomberg tech writers gobbled up his shit like it was ham and cheese sandwiches ... that's what really counts in corporate-land. They teach it at Hahvud, gotta have a business degree to really understand why this is better for the US !

When Linksys was cheap stuff for people who only needed cheap stuff, that was okay. When they pretend to be butter not margarine, then they become liars and cheats.

Ain't "business decisions" a wonderful thing ?


That's a pretty funny site, by the way. Been there in the past, did you notice his Origin 3200 ? The guy is kind of a trip

It does sound like the 3745 is noisier than the 3640. 2800 is also an option, quieter but more money. Not as many slots for network modules tho. The FDDI thing is something of a hurdle.

But ya know, it was only a suggestion. I have been happy as a clam with my Cisco experience. Sure, they aren't perfect but there's lots of good things about real routers. When they say "converged" they mean it - there's lots of advantages for small operations in putting everything into a single box. And dependability ... there's a reason that the first thing an ISP's tech support says is "reboot your router." (With the Cisco I refuse. I always tell them I did but never do. It's not the Cisco's fault. Ever.) If i look harder I could find the uptime record of a year and a half and even that was only cutoff because I had to move the rack. That ain't no boolsheet, grandma.

There really is a reason that many companies choose to use Cisco. In theory a Linux "solution" could be as good or better. But in practice it doesn't seem to work out that way.


Well, 6.5.30 requires an active support contract as well ... < cough cough>

I'm not so sure that firmware updates are really a problem with this class of equipment anyway. If the firmware is right in the first place, you don't really need so many fixes, dui bu dui ?

Besides that, the free firmware updates for all classes of equipment seem to be going the way of the dodo anyhow


I wonder if there is one ?


and be stuck with another half-assed wet dream ... it's not an easy problem to solve. What you want is something commercial-grade but at the size (and price, to some extent) of the consumer stuff. You're a prosumer, but there ain't no prosumer equipment


Exactly. I have been happy with the 3600 Cisco but it's not for everyone. Just worth looking at seriously, that's all. A 3700 would be better but not very obtainable here. The 2800 is beyond what I am willing to spend, but closer to what you are talking about.

As far as consumer routers and switches, I've had nothing but bad luck here. Well, not exactly bad luck. They did the job they were intended to do for the price they cost. I'll say that the SMC I had lasted the longest and gave the least trouble. But it was built fifteen years ago, times change. I don't know about now. Maybe take a look there ...

p.s. ... feel free to discount what I think on this, I'd be the first to say I am not an IT Professional. But I inherited the job of keeping five or six small offices with a few people each spread all over China plus one shop with 400 people, twenty-five or thirty computers, and a manufacturing network of twenty machines, etc etc all running. It took Cisco to quell the "I can't go to the Internet ! help ! help ! the world is ending !" screaming.

Absolutely correct. It wasn't funny in the beginning and it's not funny now. It hasn't been funny ever since the insatiable greed, ignorance and egotism of the Hahvud Business School destroyed the United States.

And me, I spend a lot of time pickin' flowers up on Choctaw Ridge
And drop them in the muddy water off the Tallahatchie Bridge ...

Well dang me, bang me, better get a rope and hang me ...

Sky, your mom and I have been talking and I drew the short straw ... remember when you used to believe in the easter bunny ? And the great pumpkin ? Better sit down, son. Ready ?

No one owns the internet. Very few people own a crowd. Huey Long, Adolf Hitler, Martin Luther King could. Skywriter, maybe not so much

On the first page you got feedback from three people who had owned Zyxel products. Two of us had the routers and were not impressed. One owned the exact item you asked about, said it was okay but slow.

That's the feedback you asked for. Whether you liked it or not is a different question

The conversation then moved on to jan-jaap's situation. I know this will be a shock to you as a privileged-mode sort of fellow, but unfortunately we are not in Stepford. Some of us have lower-class minds and short attention spans. Sad but true. Normally I wouldn't want to burst your bubble like this but if you are going to go out in the world, you'll have to learn to deal with some people who don't know their place. Sorry

I'd love to be wrong but fifty cents says both are made in China ...

Does that count as half-wrong ?

Me, too Did you want one ? I have to brave the computer street again tomorrow, stupidly got a serial cable with the wrong connectors last week. If you get one it should work* for an hour or two ...

*Depending on how lax your definition of 'work' is

Here. Let me help ... http://translate.google.ca/?hl=en

Now you're on the same page

Nah, they just mess with it. Google didn't hurt the feelings of the Chinese people like the idiots at the New York Times did - they just don't intend for Google to ever be a force in China. They look out for their own country .. woo-hoo ! what a concept !

The bad thing about google here is first, that they insist on redirecting you to a Chinese page. Thanks, dickwads ... No problem, just register and sign in ! Sod off, you farging barstadges.

The annoying gfw function is that you can do two or three google searches no problem, but if you do more than that your internet connection suddently slows to a crawl. If you keep on then you get the "connection reset by peer" pages and you have to leave boogle alone for a while. And they mess with the mail connections all the time, mostly through dns I think. They use the copyright Billy G Gates Method to make people go elsewhere. I think there's some Chinese blood in that boy ... ever look closely at his eyes ?

If I weren't such a stubborn bastard I wouldn't use google anymore either. As bad as boogle has become, maybe I'll drop them eventually too. Dig through thirty-eight pages of pointless lying sales sewage to find one pearl, oh goody. Kapitalism hangs itself with its own rope once again

Q: How is a Foxconn factory in Suzhou different from a Foxconn factory in Kuala Lumpur ?

A: Ummm ..... let me see. Wait ! Wait ! I know the answer ! It's on the tip of my tongue ! Just give me five more minutes and I'll remember !

Thought I'd give xcircuit an update (3.8.31) so the General might spend more time here, got almost to the end but then :


This seems to be a linking error but I ain't no programmer ... what's the best way to figure this out ?

Second, several of these :


Shouldn't even gcc find things like this ? Defining the same thing several times cannot be good.

Then there's about two bazillion of these :


Almost wore out my character generator. That particular warning is common in tons of open source software ... if I were writing code you'd expect this shit but isn't a thousand eyes, five hundred keyboards supposed to fix this kind of thing ?

Bing works, sort of ... they insist on choosing your language for you which is not so helpful, especially when they write "English" in Chinese, so if you really wanted English you couldn't find it . It's not terrible, the Assist uses it sometimes. Kind of mediocre but at least not annoying. Ixquick must use google as a back end because it does the same thing as google. Duckduckgo is slightly better but the results aren't spectacular either. Google images are a total pain in the ass because they hit so many sites in quick succession that you get the dreaded Page Reset very quickly. And now they insist on sticking their own shit on top of the image so if you go to that page you're doubling up on google hits, which kicks you off twice as fast. Someone should write a fireflop extension to strip the google part of the url off I do it manually but by then you've used up your quota for the hour ... images was once a great tool for showing people exactly what you want but alas, not so much now. China wants us to use Baidu but I'm really not interested in Hello Kitty.

It's sort of a pain in the ass but google searches aren't very good either now, so no great loss. The other day I wanted to find out what kind of memory a 3660 uses. In the past you'd get several hits on the first page pointing to Joe Networkwizard discussing what commodity memory worked. Now, you get thirty solid pages of ads. Lots of them are advertising items they can't possibly have ... I've seen google search returns for places selling 1956 Arnolt-Bristols at the cheapest price ... sure they are. It's stoopid. Meanwhile the brilliant technologists at google can't deal with these phony advertisers. Sure. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Lest you think I am criticizing China, I'm not. The US is worse. At least here it is historically and culturally unacceptable to criticize the government. Everyone knows that and no one believes the propaganda. The US pretends to have free speech but let the Smothers Brothers open their mouths and kaboom, off the air ya go, bunky. Not to mention Joe McCarthy ruining dozens of peoples' lives in a witch hunt. The US just does a better job of being deceitful. The worst part is, lots of Americans actually believe that swill.

If I have to choose between crappy google searches and invading foreign countries all based on lies, guess I'll have to go with the crappy google searches ... does Germany accept refugees from fascism as immigrants ?

Anybody here see my old friend Martin ? can you tell me where he's gone ?

Innagaddadavida, baby


There is a demand for a real router (tm) that runs something like IOS but doesn't cost Cisco prices. Remember that the hardware on a Cisco is good, too. ASICs help.

If you couldn't just buy an older Cisco I'd agree with y'all but ... tempus fidgets and I ain't no spring chicken. I'd rather put the time into getting an Irix browser that doesn't crash every thirty seconds.

As a single person that often works fine ... but when you get several people on a more complicated network, many of whom are not sophisticated about what not to do on the Internet, it's not so good. In fact, the whole thing can come crashing down around your ears, usually on a Saturday afternoon when you planned to go to a party and thought you had a good chance to get some. Re-installing Windows on several computers instead of getting laid is no fun.

For just myself, I was happy with an SMC thingy I bought at Circuit City twenty years ago. But for a network with just a few people and outward-facing services and company info on the network, not so good. What woke me up from my dream was one of our guys sending out resumes looking for a job - and using our designs as samples of his work. Cool, hunh ? No joke. We call this Birth of a Network Nazi If he's going to stab us in the back at least he's going to do it from home.

There's now no USB or removable media in any office where I have a say, either I know a factory in Guangzhou with about twenty designers. Every single thing that goes to or from the Internet goes through two girls whose job it is to make sure no company data goes out. No exceptions. (Unless you pay them off, of course. Where there's a will there's a way.)


At least it's not Lionel Ritchie moaning in pain

For reference only ... price in rmb/6.4 = ~ price in $ USD You can adjust the results by adding "hakko" or "weller" in English to the search bar.

Jealous

I would just plug those four cables into my monitor and fire up mplayer. Watching a movie fullsecreen ought to give the ol' graphics system a nice workout. Does the genlock on v12's work in an Octane ? Would be interesting to see if that solves the screen tearing problem.

Thank you. With that change it does compile and I did send a notice to the originators.

Beyond that, there are too many other stupidities in this thing for me. Someone who wanted it could work through the problems, I am sure. They aren't show-stoppers but not worth my time ...