The collected works of hamei - Page 37

This is pretty much exactly what I was talking about concerning the problems with gcc .. or, more accurately, some gcc users :

Thought this was a good idea for a dumb problem but it didn't work. No luck, still

Someone please tell me what's the point of a configure script if it doesn't work ? How is it that every other application in the universe can find the glib includes except for this moron-written piece of shit ? How is it that a configuration script can happily create the Makefiles without even mentioning that it wasn't able to find a major component ? But oh man, it did create

I'm so happy ! look, mom ! configure crated Makefiles for hangul ! and thai ! and khmer ! and tibetan ! We are so international ! and tolerant of other cultures ! Diversity ! we be so k00l and l33t !

Too bad the fucking useless piece of shit couldn't find glib, which was the actual point of the operation.

It makes me sad to think that those no-talent little twats are using up food and air that would be better served by feeeding the world's population of dung beetles


And I'm telling it that their useless configure script is too retarded to find it with a map glued to their nose.




Yes. It's a shame that the people involved in this software are so stupid. I suppose it's better than having them run a non-profit to help the disadvantaged or deal with the poor self-image of battered orangutans ... but not much.



I suppose their Down's baby script is too advanced and modern to use traditional Unix concepts ? Such as the path statement ? Or does the Slimy Slug release of Droolaroo Loonnix not support the deprecated 'legacy' non- mooodern concept of a path ?

jp, I will accept that I don't know what I am doing. But this crap is beyond retarded. These people have the mental ability of a dead skunk in the middle of the road. I bet they flunked kindergarten. Useless, drooling morons. You name it, it's wrong with this project.

This is exactly why, until diegel got FF3 to run, I was unwilling to get within 100 yards of gtk2. Those people should be placed in a weighted burlap sack and dropped off a bridge into the river. The amount of air and food on earth is limited. We shouldn't waste it on this no-talent scum.

To follow up just a bit :

Definitely installed but ran it through the grinder again anyhow, just to make sure.






Now, I am not going to even pretend to be an Ace at C code. Or any kind of code.

But this is ridiculous. If I handed this shit to a customer they would hand me back my head on a plate.

I must have fifty programs around here that I have compiled with little to some trouble, but crashing in the very first line of the Make process ? My mom could do better than this and she's ninety-three years old, can't hear and wets the bed. Give me a break.

If someone else wants to mess with this garbage it would be appreciated but as for me, screw gtk2 and the horse it rode in on.

They probably won't be asking your advice but I've had two friends buy Faro arms. Both sent them back. You could probably do about as well with a calibrated piece of string.

I don't know what the appeal is, a cmm is not that expensive now.

For 99% of what people do with Irix now, it doesn't matter. But if you have an eagle-eyed Assistant who is a certified lunatic (r) about page layout and your printed material doesn't match what she created, you're in deep poop.

It was a real mystery to me for a long time why that was happening.

And the poop up my nose was getting unpleasant

Who knows ? I will try your version, diegel, for the benefit of others. And thank you. But as far as I am concerned, the pango people can go pound salt.

The late boards are the same thing, so all you lost was the stickers and the text in hinv. In everything that counts it is a V12. ... but it is interesting.

I would think it could have been a factory screwup, too. The boards are almost identical. If someone grabbed the wrong i.d. chip, or they ran low on the V12-marked bare cards, or if whoever was making those boards ran low on the correct i.d. chip, or the raw pc board got into the wrong stack, well .... sometimes 'stuff happens'.

If the how-to became available to the public, I doubt that you'd see a large rise in the prices of V10's. More likely to see a massive drop in the price of a V12. Many of us would be not displeased by that

Hey ! I represent that statement !

The V100 is not loud. It's easy to make it even quieter, too. Just replace the two little fans and/or use a cooling system from a peecee graphics card on the cpu. Mine is 15 feet away and I can't even hear it over the Assistant's incessant babb ... I mean, important business conversations

Given a second chance tho, I'd probably choose a V120 instead. Pretty much the same noise level, same components, just has scsi.

I have a blue Adaptec that works ... and a red no-name that works, too. The important thing appears to be the chip - *must* be a TI. Maybe the green Adaptecs used the NEC chip ?

Firewire did work before 6.5.27 - Neko got an external hard disk to run, other people did as well, but it was not easy. If you look back on nekochan there are threads with hinv outputs, conflicting firewire device outputs (I forget which applet one runs to check the firewire bus), lots of helpful advice on mounting a disk, &c &c.

Post-27, it was simple. Probably more robust as well but I did not have any failures with it at 25 or so. (Sorry, can't remember exactly which level.)

I found the firewire very useful at the time for standalone but if you have other means of backup and network storage, and now that SATA is available, it's not such a big deal ... I use firewire now for reading memory cards. It's great for that, even faster than USB on Windows, but in your case, with 600 computers in the room, maybe not such a big selling point ?

As far as I know, no one ever made the 'supported' video input work. Neko got it to display a single frame upside-down once and that's about it. There's a project for your spare time

Eventually, you are going to want to go to 30. It is better, just do it carefully so you don't lose the good stuff.

Oh. If you do play with firewire, beware. Do not try hot-plugging, unplugging. You can get away with it about once out of every three tries. The other two times it will crash the computer, guaranteed. They never got that to work right.

I can't help wondering, what makes a text editor "modern" ? Could you describe the exact features that you are looking for ?

They certainly can be. Normally I owuld say "Uh-oh, power supply" to this but I once had a graphics card do a very similar thing. Changed out the graphics card and it booted.

When they run, they are great. But when they go goofy, they are exasperating.

Compiled this for myself, it's not a big enough program for a tardist and not tested enough for that anyhow, but it works here. I ditched the files not useful to Irix people, if you want to compile it for yourself it's on the innertubes. No warranty but I converted three or four fonts so far and it seems to work okay.

Installed it three or four hours ago, No huge performance difference like with the first one but so far so good, no crashes or strange behavior. So the rest of you, c'mon in, the water's fine

thanks, diegel

Okay, this verges on politics ... but it's so funny I can't help it :

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... s/vZBQJ18R

Only a couple more seeks to sign, better hurry

To be fair, the firewire hard disk never gave me any trouble whatsoever. It was mostly the initial figuring-out period that was shaky.

There is support in Irix for HFS (?) so it's perhaps possible to use an Apple-formatted disk via firewire ? That might be interesting to play with for youse Apple guys.

Sata is so much easier to deal with that interest in firewire disks disappeared when we discovered the LSI adapter cards. But it might still be useful to you.

People were succesful with firewire CD-ROMS as well. And I still use mine for reading CF and SD cards. No one tried a DVD-Writer, as far as I know. CDRTools works with a scsi-ide adapter to write dvd's, so maybe the firewire would also. I tried a SATA DVD-writer without success, but that was quite a while ago. Things may have improved there.

The part you might like to experiment with is the video. Supposedly Irix supports IIDC video input through firewire. The Apple firewire webcam does not work. I got a Texas Instruments firewire webcam that is seen but doesn't work. The Canopus ADVC cards are supposed to work, but I've never heard of anyone who made it happen. They should - they are "supported" after all, maybe a support contract with SGI would be worthwhile

Don't mean to discourage you but every card I've tried with a TI chip has worked.

No one has ever made the Agere or the NEC chip work, to the best of my knowledge.


Inside the box, it's a pci card Okay, the 300 I don't know but the 50, the 55, and the 100 were all just pci cards in a box. There's also an older "advc1394" card I keep meaning to try but never get around to it. It has a TI chip. Pretty sure that all of them do.

The vision of all those pompous buffoons walking around with their sponsors' patches plastered all over them has me in stitches


I know the feeling. But since Big Brother has an entire city in the desert dedicated to intercepting and storing every single one of our communications for future thought-crimes, what's one more black mark ?

If you overlay, may as well go to 30. The patches were kind of flaky anyhow, as I remember.


And the RAD audio just appears automagically in an O300 if you stick one in. I don't think a Mac would ever recognize or work with RAD audio, hmm ?


Irksome that a bog-standard V12 won't work in Windows, either. Oh well

If you want firewire, you have to use TI. That's easy.

I don't have gdb but < ls -l > in /usr/nekoware/lib returns

Looks like a couple of links. It's quite possible I did this under similar circumstances ... while hacks like this are not recommended, can't hurt to try

Sounds like you are a victim of marketing. Choose something you like and use it. Unless your main interest is pulling the ol' pud, almost every platform has anything you'd need. (Within limits, of course. If you need to do CAD, then BeOS is not the best choice.)

Computers aren't that important to life and you're too young to be sitting around diddling with a stupid computer anyhow. Computing is mostly a waste of time. Get outside and do something worthwhile. A Mirror dinghy on the Bay is great fun and healthier some dark and gloomy dungeon. And get laid more.

Yes, that is exactly correct.


Why were you under that assumption ? I have never read anything like that anywhere. It's called a dual channel display because it supports two screens !

I am too polite to say where you could have got these ideas

Here's the actual document describing the Dual Channel Display option (Also note that dual head is a different matter as well) :

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi ... lay_Option


It doesn't, obviously. If it did you would get a display on all three screens.

But you don't. Ergo ...





If you look through the documents, all you will ever see anywhere are instructions for connecting two monitors to a dcd.

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi ... /ch03.html

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi ... /ch04.html


If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Yeah, pretty sure. Going on eight years with this one ...

The specs say the dcd delivers the "top of the frame buffer" to channel 0, the "bottom of the frame buffer" to channel 1. Not sure what that means but what you get from the not-to-be-used, blocked-off original connector is a sort of undependable, alternating flashing mess.

Your picture doesn't show up here. It's easy to upload to nekochan so that the information is not lost in future. Look below, you'll see "browse" and "add the file" buttons. They work in both Irix Fireflop2 and Fireflop3.

Mr Recondas who has also posted to this thread is possibly the only person outside SGI who has ever been able to make the 2@ vfo files work. Best to listen when he speaks.

I think it's more complex than that, sm. The DCD is doing some strange stuff. It appears to be doing something similar to the stereo display thing - one apparent graphics stream is actually two alternating streams, and the dcd is splitting them. If you do try to use the original un-split stream, you get two alternating displays on the same monitor. I have never seen a good technical explanation of exactly what is going on.

Perhaps they didn't want anyone to know ...

Ahh, now that the photo is there I can see what he's talking about. Yes, I guess if you want three monitors that all have the same display, you could do that . There is probably a use for that but not what it was intended for.

As soon as you go to a 2@ format, they start to alternate.

Psychedelic, man

Did the Millenium have vram or wram ? (double your pleasure, double your fun !)

Someone else tried that card before. You got farther than they did, if that's any consolation

What are the chances of something like this becoming Irix-useful ?

http://www.dennedy.org/libraw1394/

Agreed, looks like a fonts problem (I've had several of those ) Try rooting around in your fontconfig until you get the flop to use a unicode font.

If you like, the attached is not a perfect userchrome but it will bring you back to more of an irix appearance ...

While it's true that normally the LD_LIBRARYN32_PATH causes no problems, under some circumstances it can. If you search around here you can probably find a few cases. Since I live at the fringe, it's happened to me. Canavan did a good job of explaining why, so I'm not going to muddy the clear waters of his description

A different method of achieving the same result is to create a wrapper script for problematic programs (such as this gdb) which sets the LD_LIBRARYN32_PATH for just that process then starts the program. That way you get your environment setting for only the faulty apps that need it.

I'm putting you on retainer as my official MBA for Corporate Operations

Best to ask the chatterers whether they have actually achieved this or whether they are typing out their nether regions. The people with the most experience here have never to my knowledge been able to get farther than a single upside-down frame displayed on the desktop.

Getting a DVD-writer to work is an interesting possibility tho. CD-ROMS have been reported as working in the Real World (tm). Memory card readers also work, but only up to 2 GB*. Perhaps some of the enthusiasts who want to open-source Irix could start by writing a userland VFAT driver ?

*Some day, just for fun, someone should try formatting a 4+ gig memory card as xfs, just to see if it works. That might be a useful way to transfer files to-from a Linux computer - kind of a super-floppy, what we used to call sneakernet. (Sneakers as in Keds, not the CIA type.)

You stuck that "almost" in there but Silicon Graphics itself is a counter-example. The Indigo in particular was intended to bring graphics to the masses. That was Clark's whole schtick. He got driven out of the company because of it - the Venture Capitalists wanted the big bucks now , while he was focused on the future.

Silicon Graphics was not intended to be high-end. It was intended to be what Apple became, only a little classier

This is also a good illustration of my premise that too much money in too few hands destroys society. Or the society we had in the seventies, at any rate. We had a middle class and "innovation". Now you have a top-down master-slave society, with all the creative people occupied by baking bread and putting on circuses. Whenever I hear the business press idolize Steve Jobs, it makes me laugh. Don't they see their own internal conflict ? Or are the highly-educated college-graduate masses too stupid to see it ?

Steve Jobs was everything they tell young people to not do these days. He was the product of a totally working-class, dirty hands, rust belt, non-investor, non-job creator background. He went to a wacko leftist liberal arts college mostly famous for producing Che Guevara / Hugo Chavez compatibles for almost one semester. He was never a "team player." He had no math or science training. He never had an MBA and his early business experiences were a disaster. The best thing he ever did for computing was financially a miserable failure. He was the exact opposite of everything the press and guidance counselors tell people to do.

Yet they idolize him. Steve Jobs was typical of the seventies, a time that is now gone with the wind, never to return. The Establishment is not going to ever relinquish control of society willingly. The very image they promote as the ideal is the one they absolutely will not allow. It jeopardizes their bottom line ... Funny funny funny.

J-J : are you saying someone somewhere has got this to work in Irix or that it is all supposed to work in theory ?

It would be very nifty if it's possible to get these devices to function as advertised ...

Until Adobe sued them into oblivion

j-j, you're a prince. Thank you.

No, I was torn between the spinning cube and skulls with flaming eye sockets ... couldn't decide so I just gave up

Agree with you, the slashdot mentality is somewhat naive but here's the thing - your front-line wisdom isn't worth a shit either. Except maybe in the case of IBM, the people in charge of every American "high-tech" firm either don't have a clue or could care less. Meg Whitman couldn't fill out a bingo card. The stupid greedy bitch cares about one thing and one thing only - her bank account.

All any of them care about is how much they can steal - your front line wisdom is nothing but food for their propaganda mill. If she could sell all the HP front-liners into sex slavery in Saudi Arabia, she'd do it in a heartbeat.

And please don't feed me that nonsense about "She only does well if the company does well." That's the third biggest lie in the Universe. CEO's walk away from zeppelin crashes with millions. Company performance has absolutely nothing to do with executive compensation. They are aristocrats and deserve that money, you little person !

If you think anyone else in "high-tech" is any better, I have a beautiful bridge. I can let it go this week only to you for the good-friend price of ... how much did you say was in your bank account ?

While you are rooting around in there, see if you can figure out how to compile Fireflop to use an external sqlite. That would be pretty nifty.

How come people are so stupid ? When Larry wanted the city of San Francisco to pony up a few hundred million dollars and hand over the waterfront to him because "the America's Cup is going to bring a beeeellion dollars !!! to the City !" they were all cheering and throwing flowers.

But of course that was a fraud, SF will probably lose several tens of millions, it was a transparent lie from day one, yet everyone fell all over themselves to give Larry whatever he wanted.

The same thing was true of Mickeysoft for decades. "We'll partner with Microsoft !" ... you stupid shit. Mickey is going to eat you up and spit you out.

But people keep falling for it. Besides total stupidity, why ? Greed doesn't answer the question, even greedy people know that loaning Al Capone a few hundred would be a "bad investment."

How about ditching the fireflop sqlite and replacing it with a link to the nekoware one ?