The collected works of hamei - Page 68

dexter1 wrote: I deleted my recent post again. I accidentally used

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/usr/bin/wish

instead of

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/usr/nekoware/bin/wish8.4

for testing tcl/tk scripts.
xcircuit 3.8.78 picks up the right wish:

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Makefile:WISH_EXE = /usr/nekoware/bin/wish8.4

so that looks to be okay.

I hate having ten versions of things lying around, for just the reason you mention. I have one and only one tickletock, which removes Yet Another Place to Make Errors ....

necron2600 wrote: I didnt see this post until now..

The Ayam guy used to come here once in a while. He always made extra efforts to make sure it ran on Irix. It was/is pretty nice. I'm more of a caddy person but it seemed to work well.

Java is ... less than optimum. I hate to say pessimum because no matter how bad you think something is, today's "developers" can always surprise you. But .....

vishnu wrote: If you're at all handy with solder and wire you should be able to tap off the voltage you need from the power supply...

How much will an sca connector deliver ?

I thought there were some peecee-onna-pci card thingies -- put one in a shoebox, add a little two-port switch, and bob's yer uncle ? That would make the ethernet connector more accessible, too.

You could even do that to an O2 ...

uunix wrote: I had a SunPCi[3 or 4] and I had it driving it's own monitor & keyboard/mouse and it was very cool. So if I was to do this, I'd make sure I had an empty slot in the octane and have external VGA KB/Mouse/USB,...

Have you tried rdesktop, u-u ? It works pretty good. That's how I do innernuts these days. Having it all in one box might be fun.

The only hangup comes when you swipe something off a web page and try to drop it via the mouse onto your Irix desktop. Oops

uunix wrote: I have tried it chap, in fact it was you who pointed it in out to me.

Guess I better start hitting the fish oil

I see Intel has a new thingy they call Edward (named after Eddie Munster ?) - a (400 mhz) peecee on an SD card. So you could build an entire Loonix cluster of those and stick it into the drive slot of an octane

dexter1 wrote: I've attached a patch file for xcircuit 3.4.3. It replaces pressmode declarations from Boolean to int

I'd have thanked you sooner but I'm sitting here in awe ... I know, that's how it is supposed to be done but still.

Thanks beaucoupissimo, dexter1.

I'm going to go back and read that post another couple hundred times now

(The program is worth some trouble, it's really a nice application)

vishnu wrote: Maxwell on IRIX redux: I solved the link problem .. .

Take a page from dextrose and show us wooden-hammer kids how

I have a few link problems sitting on the back burner, I hate it when you finally get everything to build, then it refuses to link

A little update ... by applying dexter1's skillful and talented analysis and the changes incorporated in his 3.4.3 patch to xcircuit-3.6.39, we get - violin !


This is 3.6.39 because at 3.6.40 we encounter the dreaded Phase Change where an even more mysterious error creeps into the source. So hopefully this is just a midway improvement but it's still better than 3.3.38

If someone without a compiler wants this version I can put together a tarfile but with a little luck we (mouse in my pocket, yes) will get to 3.9.40 which does have some useful improvements.

To build yourself :

I have to put the full path to xpm.h into configure. The README indicates xpm is not necessary but at least here, without it some things don't work.

Add dexter1's patch changes to the various C files. Basically this is changing < pressmode > to an integer and replacing "True" with 1 and "False" with 0 in several places.

parameter.c needs a NULL added, this is also in the patch and also in a thread here from ages ago.

tkPixmap.c and xcircuit.c need the full path to xpm.h added - at least for me. My environment is screwed up ?

Then a straight gmake / gmake install.

Then, in /your_base_directory/lib/tkcon.tcl, around line 44 you have to remove the < -exact > switch from the version check. Anything over 8 should work, the -exact thing is kind of a pain in the rear.

Bob's yer uncle

(Yes I know, that "circuit" will not work. It's just a bunch of entities dragged onto a drawing with lines added. But all the features seem to work - library, wires, cut, edit, move, rotate, etc. I didn't test everything but so far, all the basics seem to be working)

Besides circuit symbols there are flowchart and music symbols for download from opencircuitdesign and one can easily imagine network symbols - routers, switches, servers etc. So this thing should be useful for people in a variety of areas. And it should be fast enough even on an Indigo (1) ...

edit : just tried 3.6.40, where the other error started, except with the Boolean - integer error fixed.

It works.

So the next error is somewhere up the road from here.

edit ii : 6.3.41 is the first instance of the Next Big Error. 40 is okay. Sorry about that, bad notes

commodorejohn wrote: Who cares? Everything we do today we were doing satisfactorily 15 years ago, so there's nothing that actually requires multiple cores.

Actually, this is why I fell in love with smp - twenty years ago OS/2 had "pervasive multi-threading" with multiple processors and it worked very very well.

But that was with real programmers

dexter1 wrote: If you now have two versions side-by-side, one without the bug and the other with the bug, do a version diff. That way you can easily check differences. Most likely code changes in canvas refresh or mouse event handling might be the culprit.

Thanks, Mr Dex. I believe I have the problem semi-isolated now, it's in events.c, but took a few hours off to make it fit the Family ...

Wasn't exactly straightforward, settings are spread over a couple places but not too bad. I'll share after I hunt down the last few recalcitrants.

Maybe someone artistic could do something about those icons ? Drawing is not my strong suit

Then we'll get back to the Important Stuff. Can't let vish steal all the glory

Okey-dokey, Smokey ... 3.6.40 works, 3.6.41 does not. But importing events.c from 40 into 41, with the addition of one line, does work. Differences are very few :

As marked ... (this is maybe not the best way ever, but ...)

The last area is the one that seems the most suspicious ...

The release notes aren't too much help on this problem but here they are :

XCircuit wrote: posted: July 18, 2006 at 2:40am version: 3.6 revision: 41
2006-07-17 21:06 tim A number of changes: Modified the way XCircuit creates backup files, avoiding spurious timeout errors that occur in Linux. Does not write the backup file multiple times if there is no activity. Added a command "config suspend" that allows scripts to suspend drawing to the screen during read-in of scripted files. This function does not yet cover all cases where drawing occurs, but it catches the major ones. Corrected numerous Tcl command-line commands. Additional options will be written up in the documentation. "object make" now returns a handle to the newly-generated instance ("symbol.tcl" has been modified to no longer attempt to work around the error), and "object make ... -force" will generate a new empty object (previously disallowed), avoiding the necessity of creating some dummy element and then erasing it.

and the newer, might be relevant ? Same subject, the new "suspend" thingy ...

posted: July 19, 2006 at 2:40am version: 3.6 revision: 42
2006-07-18 17:08 tim Added new TCL script "edif.tcl" that handles EDIF 2.0.0 file format reads. Includes some source file bug fixes, such as having the command "parameter make ..." return a TCL_ERROR if an attempt is made to create a duplicate parameter name. Also, more drawing routines removed when in "suspend" mode, which otherwise cause XCircuit to produce a weird Tcl result on an ordinary command (in this case, a "no such variable XCOps(focus)" error was returned from the command "label type"). The flag TCL_NAMESPACE_ONLY was removed from calls to Tcl_Var, which should prevent the above error from occurring even outside of "suspend" mode.
Also: Rewrote the "config suspend" mechanism slightly so that a single call to "config suspend" puts XCircuit in a "temporarily suspended" drawing mode. Any key or button press in the window will return XCircuit to a normal drawing state. This prevents XCircuit from getting hung in suspend mode if, for example, the "read_edif" procedure halts in the middle with an error return value. "config suspend" can be called twice in a row to prevent keystrokes from breaking the suspend state, in case anyone cares.

jimmer wrote: ehrmmm... IMAP not available in the Middle Kingdom?

Not a fan of IMAP, unless it's on my own server. And that's a beetch these days -- "It's from CHIIIIINA ! Oh noes ! Block it before those devious orientals overwhelm us with their intellectual superiority !"

Those yrgltworps don't even do that to Nigeria, but Chiiiiina ! ...

vishnu wrote: ... this thing is horrible crashware ...

What, does it roll over an internal ten-day clock ? "Source file is newer than the executable" ? This thing dates from 1937, right ?

You'll beat its ass, vish, I'm sure

armanox wrote: Au contraire....I block all of Africa, Middle East, and Eastern Europe, in addition to China. If I had need I'd white list as needed (as I've done for a couple of Russian sites), but I block based on where the majority of my attacks have come from.

In the interests of nekochan peace and harmony I will not say a word. But you can bet your sweet bippy I am thinking some very harsh thoughts.

vishnu wrote: I'm finding it hard to believe anyone ever had this thing running right...

There is the true value of open source ... some day, maybe someone can fix the p.o.s.

It's still less work than writing a completely new word processor from scratch, yes ?

necron2600 wrote: ThinStuff's TSX RemoteApp product looks cool to launch just the app and not the entire desktop. Linux-based rdesktop can do 'seamless' apps too if a seamless-rdp DLL is installed on the remote windows node.

Can you go into this "seamless-rdp DLL" a little more ? That's how I get my interweb now, rdp Light onto 4Dwm, but getting just the application would be nice.

Not that happy with Light, either, but what can you do ?

GL1zdA wrote: It's called Edison not Edward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Edison

Wasn't he the guy who insisted 500 vdc was the way to go for long-distance power transmission ?

armanox wrote: I'll soon be blocking all inbound connections from non-US IP addresses at work to simplify things even more. We do not target nor have any clients outside the US and US territories

What I've found works really good is to replace the index.html with just a phone number. Then anyone wanting to access your site can call in and get a permission form.

Mail that off to them, get all the data you need plus a certificate of no criminal record, their social security number, driver's license number, a full medical report and IRS returns covering the past twenty years and you're all set. Check the returned forms against the FBI, CIA and NSA databases and you'll probably be safe.

Big bubbles, no troubles

vishnu wrote: IMAP is weird. But then again so was the guy that created it...

A man who hates dogs and kicks children can't be all baaaad ... "He became the principal developer of the TOPS-20 mailsystem, and reportedly was still running TOPS-20 systems at his residence in 2009"

Here's a question from logic, not programming, but still ...


In the first line after the comment, "forcempty" is declared as a Boolean.

But about seven lines from the bottom, it's states "if forcempty returns NULL .."

How can a Boolean return null ? It's either true or false. How can it ever be null ? That's not an option ... when did you stop beating your wife ?

Pretty sure the problem is in this "suspend" thingy. There's only about twenty lines changed in events.c, all involving the new "suspend" function, and events.c is THE file that causes the weird behaviour.

ivelegacy wrote:

chemdream wrote: price is right

too "fuzzified", can you un-fuzzify and give a numerical (USD,EURO,…) definition of "right" ?

42

Trippynet wrote: It's not the Boolean which is set to NULL, it's the return value of the function.

I will be the first to admit that the "logic" of programming languages often escapes me

But still pretty sure it is in events.c This is the only other change of any significance in that file ....


Which suspiciously generates the library and resets the view bounds ... altho the crash happens exactly when you drop the object but if there's nothing to drop it onto ... ?

vishnu wrote: The author of the Courier mail transport agent has some very enlightening things to say about IMAP in general and it's author (may he rest in peace) in particular: http://www.courier-mta.org/fud/

Thanks, vish, for destroying another illusion. Crispin was an mbox fan ? What a dick.

For anyone who is unfortunate enough to set up and run a small mail server (i.e., about 25 people) stay away from any of the worthless Unix CRAP . It's all absolutely worthless stinking idiotic shit.

Set up a little OS/2 box and run Weasel. You'll be done in an hour and it will never give you even a whiff of trouble.

Stupid Unix garbage with all their penis-stroking idiotic obscurity and pointless complexity, it's worse than ridiculous. It's an unnecessary nightmare.

I installed Communigate into Solaris a while back as well. It would have been okay if I could have found a version from back before they also went wacko. The current Communigate is half-submerged in pointless garbage that you can't get rid of, too.

mbox ... what a dipshit.

We've kinda wandered off-topic

uunix wrote: not as a cool as it would with a FUEL next to the Octane.

Get some old skins and paint them red. A red Octane looks even cooler than a Fuel

Pretty nice loft there, Mr U-U. You could start your own underground teevee station !

dexter1 wrote: running mission critical with IRIX machines is basically not a smart thing.

Okay, I'm not smart And our mission here, hell, no one would notice for two or three weeks if we died from breathing the air.

But still ... with some spares, an Octane makes a perfectly good workstation. Using it all the time gives a little more urgency to the software desires

robespierre wrote: I will freely admit I could be wrong

But maybe not in this case ... -F is fine but you still have to tell tcsh what color to apply to what filetypes ...

http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix3/upt/ch08_06.ht

weaselwords ; I din't try this. White on blue is about all my brain can deal with.

jimmer wrote: Hamei, this is where you snigger and go "codeface, shmodeface, the kermunittee doesn't even test-run the stuff in nekoware/beta!"

Shhh ! We finally got vishnu outta the porn palace in his basement, dexter1 wandered back from his travels in the desert and there's even a few Loonies who are giving Urx programming a go. I'ma gonna keep the trap shut for the moment

dexter1 wrote: Found it (I think) but i need people to test this, since it's late and i have to bike home in the rain.

Jeeze, dexter. I'm speechless. Thank you.

I'll try this out in a few minutes.

Also, I had this thought but didn't want to be a distraction, but those compiler warnings should be good clues. I also noticed dozens of the things flashing past and wondered how to capture them ? I've never used < tail > but that should work ? Or is there an easier way ?

uunix wrote: Yes. It's very noisy. I think though putting anything in the lower cage will cause the fans to replicate a Harrier Jump Jet.

Jack Luminous wrote: At the moment, I have a FC-AL XIO card in the lower XIO section and the thing isn't that noisy overall.

I have an Octane Compression in the lower left slot (looking from the rear.) If I put it in the lower right slot, it gets noisy as heck. Otherwise, it runs at Normal Octane Level.

It seems to me this is backwards from what it says in the book, but their lettering system always gets me confused.

nekonoko wrote: I'd just redirect the compiler output to a text file,

Too easy I'll try that next time, thanks ...

Confirmation 1:

Confirmation 2:


Altho I am not overjoyed with the 3.9.40 .... first, it absolutely refuses to find xpm no matter what I do. Second, I had to go into the Makefile and ditch


which makes me wonder what other gcc-isms may have been missed.

But 3-8-78 seems to be fine, it's the 'stable' build anyway, so maybe for the moment ... don't know. It's easy enough to keep both installed, just change the startup script, one is installed in /basedir/lib/xcircuit-3.8.78 and the other in /basedir/lib/xcircuit-3.9.40

One step for man, one giant leap for Mankind

I'm only going to put this here because I imagine most people who live in the US have no idea. I myself was shocked to just recently discover photos like these. This is what the US Air Force has done to all of Syria. This may have some relevance to the situation :

To me, this is unbelievable and I am literally sick to my stomach.

Since this forum is apparently restricted to twelve-year-olds, it must be time to leave. I'm too old to restrict my discussion to what to wear to the school dance while the world is burning down. I wish you a happy Thanksgiving at the children's table.

Thanks to all, it's been fun.

Jesus Christ. Can someone who has a clue please step in here ?

It was COMMON to swap out the pre-300 mhz processors. Worked in both single and dual forms. But at 360 mhz SGI went to soldered processor chips, which are a bear to replace. Even with the O2 boards and soldering on new outta the box chips, doing small lots of bga chips is expensive and has a lower-than-100% yield.

In practice, no one is going to make dual 600 boards from lower-spec boards because it would cost twice as much and only have about an 80% chance of success. Plus there's no source for new 600 mhz cpu's. What is the plan here, buy two old single-p boards, unsolder the chips to resolder them onto a dual-p setup ? Totally not sensible.

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Wall heck, y'all … ah was jes passin through an mah nose startin' itchin, figgerred some buddy was walkin on mah grave. So ah giss ah best step on off this here'n train, straighten some stuff out.


Ah gots ta say, ah disagree with ma esteemed colleeg mister hakmoto heah, on some a them finer points.

First off, is what is the definishun of a 'commyoonity'. Down heah wheah us deplorables live, ya gotta take the good with the bad. Yup, cousin Eunice's daughter she won the state prize foah cheerleadin' an she's headed off ta Memphis, shook her tits an got her a good job as a seckatary. But the same time, cousin Moreen, well ah assidentally walked inta the bathroom at her double-wide last month and she sure do got a big dick for a little woman. And Cousin Bo, he ain't got much upstairs but he can cook up a mean possum stew and if y'all ever needs a nickel, he be right there. Best not to need more'n thet tho, cuz he ain't got much. Then Uncle Stepan, damn me but he got a purty house up on tha hill with a lawn nigger an everthin, ah guess he purty famous from writin' them books but ah cain't hep but wondah what he do with all them cute colored gals when da nighttime come, him bein' tha only male in the place and all.

Back to tha point, down heah in One Below, ah figger we got us a commyoonity, and everbody kin speak theah mind. Somebody git way outta line, somebody else gonna tell em what foah. Otherwahs, we jes put up with tha bad and take the good and leave each othah alone. Ain't nobody with a little mustache marchin' the street pointin' fingers and tellin people what ta say, what ta do.

So mah colleeg heah mistah hakimoto done told us everthin is fahn, we's got the best of all possible worlds, moderatin' heah is bettah than anyplace else and all thet. To an extent ah gotta agree, then to anothah extent ah think y'all are missin somethin' …


An thet sumthin he go bah the name Poindexter. Now lahk ah said, we all don' care much 'bout dumb-ass Bo, and Moreen, well, if she wanta have a dick and wear a dress both, thet's her own affaih. But none o them people is struttin around givin orders. Seems like a tin badge shore do go to some people haids. This heah feller he done gone off to play with a bunch a childern fo five long yeahs without even poke his haid in heah, but when he get tahrd a playin cartoon games, he figgerred he'd come back heah so's he could give people what fo. Him bein one a them eddacated a-leet and all, ya understand.

Y'all can tell them a-leets cuz they figger they gon' save tha world from us uneddicated deplorables. Y'all kin tell 'em by the superhero uniforms they weah so's we's all know they is speshul


Got one a thet poindexter, too, took when he first got back, showin' his badges and tellin me ta shut up …


Ah giss the long aend the short uvvit is, whun this hear'n poindexter showed up n started throwin his weight around, ah figgerred what the hill. Ah ain't God nor don even talk to him, ever since thet tahm ah was lightin farts in the bath tub and one a them went off big and burnt all the hairs off ma balls. Thet tahm a deep voice come outta the sky and sed "Don't Do Thet !!" An ah ain't never done it since … 'ceptin for mebbe last Thursday, if you wuz watchin', God. 'N ah wasn't ekchully lightin farts then, but Cousin Bernice she sed she done smelt sumpthin real bad and thought mebbe it was gas so ah had to check. Din't come outta mah ass so's ah think probly it was thet lasagna she et fer dinner. Ah told her ain't no good leavin thet stuff in tha icebox fer more'n a week but she don' never listen to me. Ah'm deplorable, ya see, n she's purty a-leet herself.

Ennyhoo, whun thet poindexter showed up n started givin orders, wull, normal like ah take it personal whun some pissant tells me whut ta do but in this case ah figgerred shoot, he kin wraht thet C code shit n ah'm only good fer discussin old banjo tunes. So fer the good a tha commyoonity ah done figgerred ah'd keep quaht.

But since then he ain't done shit pardon mah french, 'ceptin hassle other peeple and make the place kahnda miserble. Miserble fer us what ain't the Approved Modurn Computing A-leet Types, ah mean


If ya'all don't go along with tha rest a tha crowd then by gol, he gon show you them badges und make yer life purty miserable. Cuz thet's what he's good at, making people miserable. He don do shit for tha computin stuff and he don' do shit fer the soshul stuff, he mostly jes acts like a junyer high school ass what just got his first boy scout badge and gots to tell everbody how impotent he be.

See, this here'n "no politics" rule is fuckin pardon mah french agin shit. The days of Irix bein King of the Hill is long gone. If'n ya hang onta that then all ya gon have is the audience like I posted a photo of above. In a commyoonity people gotta talk and people gotta talk about what's important to em. It ain't no good when peeple's afraid to say sumpthin important to em because sum pretender


he's agonna deecide what is okay to say and what ain't. Fer example, what pee yoed me off in the first place was a topic that had about six er ten posts already, "Oh them pore people ! oh ain't this terrible !" which was fine with the poindexter but whun ah said, "Hey y'all ever think about WHY this happens ?" then suddenly it wor po-litickal and we cain't say nuthin but yes suh ! no suh ! three bags full suh !


And thin agin this here'n topic raht above - ah gotta be honest with ya, ah'm not a big fan o this here'n i v legacy feller, all he talks about is thet loonix crap pardon mah french the third time but shee-it. His comment was on topic . There's a reason nobody buys this stuff no more. Without software it ain't worth donkey pee. And he done told tha truth, only to be junped on by thet dang poindexter assbreath agin. There's dozens of off-topic comments in forsale threads. Dozens. But poindexter, he jes gotta throw his weight around. He's a Big Man, ya see. With them badges, too.

And ah'm kinda sooprized at you too, Esteemed Hakimoto, cuz it ain't like you to be a Ass. Cuz thet legacy guy, this tahm he's tellin the truth. Ain't shit happened here for months, maybe years. Nekochan ain't good for software, it ain't good no more for discussion, ah don't hold no grudge against twelve year olds, we done had several through here over the years and they do bring sumpthin but when ya restrict all discussion to the level of twelve year olds, the place ain't worth comin to.

Which may be partly why very few of the people what used to come here does, no more. It's boring. There's nuthin happenin on the computin front and nothin on the personal discussion front. Ain't nuthin here, and that's partly because a thet officious little hall monitor with his honorary nazi merit badge.

Seems to me a shame to see thet talent wasted on pushin' people around when he cud be doin sumpthin worthwhile but lahk ah sed, ah ain't god. Y'all kin do what ya want, watch the place git more and more boring and po-litickally cerrect, where y'all kin stand in rows and chant the a-leet anthem, or chenge yer ways. Git sum software runnin, let people talk about what ails em and what makes em happy. Do sumpthin positive insted a shuvin peeple around, let peeple take care a theyself.

Up to y'all, ah gotta git back on thet train afore it leaves the station, ah got me sum Irix programs to use cuz unlike sum people heah, ah use mah Sillycone Grafx kompewter ever single day. Pretty busy, ah got ten er twenty Irix projects what ah gotta do mahself cuz askin here ain't no good no moah cuz ain't nobody what knows nuthin comin heah no moah (but ah wish ta thank all the peepel in the passed what used ta halp doin thet, ah do preciate it. A lot. Thanky kindly.)

And hair poindexter ?

Sig haille ! and don't fergit the dreads !


(can ya put them badges away tho ? Please ?)

Gotta ketch thet train, see y'all in hail