The collected works of hamei - Page 33

recondas wrote:
... just passin' thru both times.

So whadja think about the soil ?
kshuff wrote:
Maybe it's all the cans of Jolt they drink ...

I think they're drinking more than Jolt but in the absence of Martin Steen, who has real taste, I put this together. It is definitely not perfect but gives a better Irix look. Hope it can give people a little bit of a start on making this thing presentable.

userChrome.css

Code:
/* * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct functioning */
@namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");

/* adjusted for display at 3840x2400 */

/*  ====== GLOBAL FONT ====== */
/* default initial setting can be overriden by later settings  */

{
font-size: 11pt !important;
font-family: helvetica medium !important;
}

/*  ====== MENUBAR SETTINGS (top bar) ====== */

menubar > menu , popup > *
{
font-family: helvetica !important;
font-style: italic !important;
font-size: 11pt !important;
margin-left: 10px !important;
padding-top: 3px !important;
padding-bottom: 1px !important;
}

/* Remove  Go and Help menus
(also works for other menu items) */
menu[label="Go"], menu[label="Help"]
{
display: none !important;
}


/*  Remove Web Search from Tools Menu  */
menuitem[label="Web Search"] { display: none; }
menuitem[label="Web Search"] + menuseparator { display: none; }


/* ====== URLBAR SETTINGS ====== */

/*Change url bar font, color and size*/
/* background color setting doesn't work yet  */

#urlbar
{
-moz-appearance: none !important;
font-family: helvetica medium !important;
background-color: #d5b6bc!important;
color: Black !important;
font-size: 10pt !important;
max-width: 1000px !important;
}

/*  gets rid of arrow and stopsign buttons on URL bar   */

.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button > .toolbarbutton-icon,
.toolbarbutton-1 > .toolbarbutton-icon
{
display: none !important;
}

/* Hide AutoComplete in URL bar */
#PopupAutoComplete, .autocomplete-tree
{
visibility: hidden !important;
display: none !important;
}


/* Remove the URL bar Go button */
#go-button
{
display: none !important;
}


/* Remove the stupid bookmark star */
#star-button
{
display: none !important;
}

/* shitcan the retarded RSS feed icon */
#feed-button
{
display: none !important;
}


/* Eliminate the throbber - show in tabs instead */
#throbber-box
{
display: none !important;
}



/* ====== BOOKMARKS AND TABS  ======  */


/* hide bookmark toolbar icon images */
#personal-bookmarks .toolbarbutton-icon
{
display: none !important;
}

/* change bookmark toolbar label font */
#personal-bookmarks .toolbarbutton-text
{
font-family: helvetica !important;
font-size: 10pt !important;
margin-left: 11px !important;
}


/* Make inactive tabs partially transparent */
#content tab:not([selected="true"])
{
-moz-opacity: 0.6 !important;
}


/* Show tab favicon only on selected tab, not work ? */
tab:not([selected="true"]) .tab-icon
{
display: none !important;
}


/* hide tooltips on tabs */
/*  want to do this for the bookmarks also  */
.tabbrowser-strip tooltip
{
display: none !important;
}



/* ====== GLOBAL UPSTAIRS SETTINGS ====== */

/* hide toolbar borders */
menubox, toolbox, toolbar
{
-moz-appearance: none !important;
border: none !important;
}


/* Set background color for all toolbars */
menubar, toolbox, toolbar, .tabbrowser-tabs
{
background-color: #cccccc !important;
}


/* ======== DROPDOWN AND MENUS  ======== */


/* modify just the dropdown and popup menus  */

menuitem, menupopup > menu
{
border: 1px solid transparent !important;
padding-top: 3px !important;
padding-bottom: 3px !important;
color: black !important;
font-family: helvetica !important;
font-style: italic !important;
font-weight: bold !important;
font-size: 3mm !important;
margin-left: 0px !important;
}

/* turns off stupid menu icons in 95% of the places they inhabit */
menuitem .menu-iconic-icon
{
display:none !important;
}




/* status bar at the bottom  */
#status-bar
{
-moz-appearance: none !important;
font: lucida medium 11pt: !important;
}

The font sizes will probaly be off for many people, my display is abby normal but at least it's organized and a start.

Any improvements, post them, please !
Oh god ! My eyes ! My eyes ! God, Sir, please .. not the blue ! not the blue ! :P
Not sure what's causing this but it's repeatable :

Code:
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1706 Abort
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1734 Abort
urchin 18% firefox3
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'St9bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1759 Abort
urchin 19% firefox3
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1786 Abort
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1843 Abort

Got to sfgate.com and open a bunch of stories in tabs ... I know, the reporting is pretty bad but shouldn't crash the browser :)

diegel : do you have any plugins ? Normally I use no-script, thought I'd take the opportunity to check for updates. Not so good ...
Code:
urchin 22% firefox3
moz_run_program[36]: 1868 Memory fault
urchin 23% firefox3
moz_run_program[36]: 1893 Memory fault
urchin 24% firefox3
moz_run_program[36]: 1923 Memory fault

It goes through the motions, opens the windows, etc etc but crashes the browser if you attempt to do much more than look.
This might be an https:// thing ? Sorry for the blur, it's resized from an odd size.
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Oh weird. I tried to make the url bar an irix color but it doesn't work in the main window. But in the "uploading the file" windows, it's the Irix pinkish. Strange.

edit : Checked around some, this appears to have something to do with SSL. Checked the preferences -> advanced -> encryption settings and both SSL 3.0 and TLS are checked. Then ran a test page, apparently I have a problem with SSL. Looked at < about: > didn't really see anything (such as --disable-SSL or any other obvious clues)

Is this just me or is it more widespread ?

The older flop does work with "secure" https:// pages ... (I have no idea why xxx.mozilla.org would have to be "secure". Do they have money in there ? )

about:config security < enable-ssl-2 > does not fix the problem (at least not so far. Have not rebooted yet, too many tabs open)
porter wrote:
I don't know where it comes from. It just happens.

:D

This *might* be enough ... put it in .Xdefaults

Code:
*sgiMode:            TRUE
*useSchemes:            All

If not, we'll have to add some more stuff ... there's other ways to do it also but that's the easiest for me.

Quote:
For the life of me I can't get custom icons going on IRIX
,
Minimized ones are easy ... make a .icons directory directly under your home. Try not to dig up grandma in the process. Then create your graphic in that directory at the correct size (some weird size, similar to 60 x 80 but odd numbered) then name that as executable name_of_application .icon. Viola, when you minimize your app that's the icon that will show on the desktop.

The only app I have where that doesn't work is Thunderturd. Somewhere, deep in the bowels of the 'turd, is an icon that it insists on using. Finding it is a project for a rainy day.

Quote:
I've been round the houses many times, how does one do it on IRIX?

For real actual icons that are linked with a particular application, best ask canavan or read the 4Dwm docs but in essence, it's similar to OS/2. Extended attributes in the file system connect an icon to an application. In Irix, you have to jump through some hoops with 'file type rules ' (ftr 's) and an incantation to associate the two. The Techpubs articles are not half bad.

The only really peculiar part about the process is choosing the "application type number" to use. Where do I get that ? out my ass ?

Pretty much :D

If Linux had the Workplace Shell it'd be hot. Instead, they built that grisly abortion named gtk2. Stay away from that place, it smells bad :P
diegel wrote: I uploaded neko_firefox3.0.19_beta3.tardist to incoming

Thank you.

Please report in this thread only severe issues in conjunction with the firefox3 build.

Other people may have some of these same problems. Why waste efforts ?

I will not fix problems with depending nekoware packages,

Again, other people may have installed some of the broken /beta gtk2 neko tardists. If my time can help them, it's fine by me.

firefox extensions,

So far, the only problem I have had with extensions is that you can't get to the secure sites to check them for updates :(

This is even true if you remove the extension totally :( There really is a problem with https://

or broken Internet sites.

When the broken internet site is a major metropolitan newspaper which worked fine (altho displayed strangely) under Firefox 2, perhaps there is a deeper problem. It's worth looking into, at any rate.

Firefox 3 does render pages better than 2. Thank you for that.

however, there is a problem with https:// sites A quick and easy test is to go to duckduckgo.com or ixquick.com Or try to check up ... oops !

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urchin 3% firefox3
moz_run_program[36]: 1351 Memory fault

that didn't work out so well ... did work yesterday tho, so perhaps that was a fluke.

Anyway, secure sites are definitely a problem, at least for me. Turned on ssl2 in about:config, still cannot connect to secure sites. So that is what I would call a for-real difficulty.

Otherwise, it's very nice (now that it looks like an Irix application :D ) And speed-wise, it's quite usable.

thank you.

edit : whatever SFGate does, it still does

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terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1417 Abort

if you open several pages in multiple tabs. I tried deleting XPC.mfasl and letting the app regenerate that file with no success :( This may be a version-specific problem ?
diegel wrote: I can't see any ssl problem here. Probably it is a packaging issue, I will test ssl with a fresh installation today. But if I don't see a problem, I am not able to debug it.

ajw99uk and I both see this so I don't think it's just here (otherwise I'd agree with you, most likely a problem with my setup.)

Can you connect to ixquick and duckduckgo without problems ? Also the mozilla extensions site refuses to connect.

Looking through about:config, there's a ton of various security settings, many of which are set to false. I could post a listing of those if that would help.

I am using the neko_openssl 0.9.8x , don't know if that is a problem. Does Firefox use an external SSL library ? i didn't see anything about that in the configure settings but ... could there be a clash there ?

Anything you'd like us to try, I would be happy to do.
diegel wrote: Try moving your .mozilla to .mozilla.bak and start firefox3.

Oooh nooooo !! My eyes ! My eyes !

Did fix the problem though, thanks very much :D

aj, try a new .mozilla folder ....

Wikipedia disappeared tho. Strange. I don't think it's blocked but the Great Firewall is a strange and terrible creature :shock:

Let's go see if SFGate still blows up the browser ...

thanks much, Mr D. Hurdles were jumped. It wouldn't hurt if a few more people would give it a spin, <cough> <cough> ....
ajw99uk wrote: Changing .mozilla/firefox to .mozilla/firefox.bak


aj : try this :

start firefox as < firefox3 -profilemanager >

I didn't even let it put the profile in the default place but made a new profile in a new directory entirely.

It is working correctly as of this moment.

Haven't customized anything yet though ....

Report back, please ?

edit : okay, that didn't last long. A new profile seems to work until you close Firefox . When you restart it, the ability to connect to secure sites is gone.

At least that's what it looks like from here.

If I delete every file in the profile folder and make it rebuild the entire thing, then we have secure connections again.

hope this helps.
diegel wrote: Or copy libfreebl3.chk and libfreebl3.so from /usr/nekoware/lib/firefox-2.0.0.22pre to /usr/nekoware/lib/firefox-3.0.19. I will add the libraries to the next package.

And a restart ... YES !!!

Works well now. Will probably still crash on some URL's but that's certainly not your fault.

If it seems like we are beating you up, I apologize. Really, we're not. I'll go out on a limb and speak for everyone when i saw we all really really really appreciate this. For myself, I can live fine with a lot of older applications but a non-functional browser makes life difficult today. I'll be the first to say FF3 is not very good, but it's a ton better than FF2 ! You've just advanced the shelf life of Irix by several years* :D


* (Which is more than the entire pack of Bozo Ewald clowns in Mountain View did for the last ten years they ran the company. Diegel for CEO !)
skywriter wrote:
zmttoxics wrote:
Seriously... I pre-ordered my phone and got it not 2 days after release. I didn't even have to wake up early for it. Maybe things are different in China?

Same here. Mine came Tuesday.

A little update, especially since I read that Apple is "targetting China as their next big market ! Hurrah ! Hooray ! O frabjous day, tralee, tra-lay !"

The Assist, being a girl, had to have the next glorious new accessory, and she put off buying a new phone all through the iPhone 4 years, since there really wasn't much there.

So she was stuck dealing with face. Even though the wunderkids at Apple decreed the iPhone 5 would be impossible to get since with their brilliant planning and execution they didn't have enough to sell, she eventually got one in Hong Kong.

Result : the size is good, it fits a girl's hands better. The os is the same as everyone else, nothing so great about it. If all your friends also have i-whatevers, there are some apps that make playtime fun ... for a while. The Group of Three is already bored with facetime. Doing everything through iTunes sucks. No USB card for transferring photos sucks. Having to mess around with a non-standard SIM card was not fun - and pointless. The "locked to a carrier" thing is flat-out not going to fly here. Let me be blunt : you people are idiots. You pay three times what it really costs to get a "free" phone.

The bad part for Apple : the killer is going to be that the consensus of opinion in China is that the iPhone 5 is junk. It gets scratches and dings at the drop of a hat. People here actually use their phones and they are not happy when the phones look like shit through normal daily use. Less than a month old and the Assist's "new" iPhone has several dings, nicks, and scratches.

She won't buy another one.

Another stock scam. Apple tells the US stock market that they'll be "going into China in a big way !! Next big market, we'll be rich ! and famous !" Stock zoooms up, Tim Cook cashes in, Timmy et al pick up a few million, the idiot American public is five bucks each poorer.

I have to say, you guys really are morons. And then you let these dickwads put your retirement money into the stock market .. why not just take it to Monte Carlo and put it all on red ?

Back to the phone's market potential :

When the product comes out and people can't buy them, drop five points.

When the 'features" are not compelling, drop five points.

When the company is from the US with Hillary Clinton blathering on and on about how evil China is while Samsung keeps its fat fucking trap shut , drop ten points.

When the products don't hold up in a society where appearances are very important, drop ten points. Gossip is THE rule of the day here, and the iPhone is getting nothing but bad reviews from real users. The Assist won't buy another one. The Samsung she bought for her mom is functionally comparable in every way yet it is also sturdy.

I don't see them doing very well in China. Our phone market is open and free, not tethered to "providers" who control your every move. People choose the product that works well. The iPhone 5 is second-rate. There will be a surge of interest since it's New ! New ! New ! but after a while that wears off. In a truly free phone market, Apple is downscale "junk" (and that's a quote from the Assistant, who has no slashdot hi-tech axe to grind.)

In the real world, there's a lot more assistants than there are slash-dotters. They will sell some but long-term they aren't going to be much competition for real players, like Samsung.

Conclusion : buy stock now while it's cheap. Apple will soon have to make a few announcements of grand and glorious new products, market share, 600 new stores in the biggest phone market in the world, etc etc. Stock will zoom up as the marks rush to buy. Sell at that point, before reality strikes.

Repeat, repeat, and you, too, can become a smart investor ! job creator ! hi-tech knowledge worker ! Master of the Universe ! con artist, shyster, thief, crook, swindler, jerk, asshole, worthless scumbag ...
kshuff wrote:
I didn't want to f**k up the PCB and stopped for now. What's the best way to get this thing out?

Too bad you're not here ... every little shop in the computer 'burbs has a three-axis chip-remover and resolderer. About a third of them have microscopes. They can't be very expensive ... is there a market for such things in the US ?
guardian452 wrote:
I hear many roflcopters flying overhead :lol:

I take it that's a no :D

I'm wondering why tho ? People don't fix things in the US ? It seems like every little computer place in baoshan has one of these - simple x-y table and some sort of heating element to remove and replace chips. They can't be very expensive. If I hadn't been so lazy I'd have taken the Fuel mainboard over to do a pinball enviro-chip replacement.
One day / two day test update :

Runs pretty well, definitely worth the upgrade. Renders pages much better than FF2. I don't mean artistically or the wonders of cairo, just more accurate interpretation of html.

The secure sites problem is fixed, thank you diegel.

It still crashes but not as much as FF2. Hopefully, now that diegel has broken the barrier, some of these problems can be fixed with newer Flop code. A couple of crashes I get were problems in the past with flop 3 on other platforms ...

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(firefox-bin:7001): Pango-WARNING **: shaping failure, expect ugly output. shape-engine='BasicEngineFc', font='Forefront Book 11.51953125', text='to http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/download.php.'

and

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terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 1948 Abort


The pango error seems to be font-related, might be easy to fix locally. The second one ... code in Firefox itself ? I'm wondering if the MIPSPro code shows the same problem ? Sometimes it doesn't want to refresh the graphics of the webpage ... pita but not mortal.

You can make it look reasonable, too :)

Definintely an improvement. Highly recommended !
astouffer wrote:
With the time and effort involved its not worth repairing consumer gear.

So kshuff gets to throw out his HP digital oscilloscope because a $2 chip died.

Now that is a forward-looking sensible economic model.
canavan wrote: Additionally, beta3 crashes reliably ... when opening http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wei ... -smbc-coll

Just too a brave pill and tried this, it loaded okay. Took quite a while and then, after everything was loaded it took for eeeeeeever waiting for S3.amazonaws.com then the same for platform.twitter.com and finally facebook.com.

Not a chance in hell those will ever load here, they are blocked. Maybe some of the advertising garbage I have blocked is what crashes the browser for canavan ?

Is there any way to shorten the time Firefox waits for a site before giving up ? I've binged around a little but haven't found anything. Maybe in the code somewhere ? That seems to be one of the problems - while it is sitting there waiting for tab 1 to reply, tabs 2 3 and 4 are on hold.

Also, do you two sometimes have problems with re-drawing the screen ?

diegel : is there a major change between 3.0 and 3.5 ? I know there was a big different at 3.6 but is it possible that 3.5 would solve a few more problems ?
canavan wrote: I haven't seen any glitches.

Could be my 2@ graphics situation ...

Ran 'er hard for a few days and put 'er away wet, here's what it looks like to me :

Removed Firefox 2 this morning as having two versions of Firefox installed makes nothing but trouble. Yes, it's possible, but it doesn't work well.

FF3 functions better as a browser but it is a little less stable. With what I've been doing it crashes more frequently but at least the crashes are more predictable, and the chances of getting the problem fixed are higher.

If you run it on sites like Nekochan, which are mostly text and a few photos and standard html, it's great.

If you find yourself on more commercial sites with a lot of javascript, spyware, horseshit advertising gimmicks and track-you scripts, it will go down if you have very many tabs open. Four open tabs seems to be okay, except on really crappy sites.

I seem to get two kinds of crashes - the good ol' unexplained

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moz_run_program[36]: 1868 Memory fault

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terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc

It seems like about 50-50. At least the 'std::bad_alloc' gives a clue to what it is. If this cause goes away in the future we should cut our crashes in half. Yea !

At hi-res, it's waaaay better. At lower res on older, slower hardware Flop2 might be a better choice. I'm not sure how well this would run on an Indigo2 or an O2. If you have the faster hardware, it's worth upgrading.

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind :D
ClassicHasClass wrote: Are you running out of memory, perchance?

May be ... only got 4 gigs in this box :cry:
canavan wrote: You may be running out of address space, and a rqs/rqsall shuffle may be needed.

Thanks, went to do a rqs and got

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rqs32: Fatal Error: A /usr/nekoware/lib/firefox-3.0.19/libssl3.so region with address 0x400000 (region end address is 0x43c000).  Failed due to address overlap. Please check firefox-bin and its liblist to make sure that it and its NEEDED shared objects have no overlaps among them by running "elfdump -o" on each of them

So the easiest thing to do is to sit on my fat ass and wait for diegel to put together a tardist with the ssl libraries incorporated :D

Got a little of this as well, in case it's of interest :

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(stuff)
libpng.so.3  =>  /usr/nekoware/lib/libpng.so.3
5586:firefox-bin: rld: Warning: elfmap: running new 32-bit executable but finding old 32-bit shared object /usr/lib/libCsup.so in the search path.  You may not have set the environment variables correctly, please set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for old 32-bit objects, LD_LIBRARYN32_PATH for new 32-bit objects and LD_LIBRARY64_PATH for 64-bit objects (e_flags 0x10000003) -- continue searching ...
libCsup.so  =>   /usr/lib32/libCsup.so
(more stuff)

I have no LD_LIBRARYN32_PATH set, on purpose.

It's a bit flaky at the moment but still livable. Better than Flop2, I think.
ShadeOfBlue wrote: Some of the old firefox2 libraries may still be present in that list, this will rebuild the entire index and hopefully solve the problem.

Discretion is the better part of valor .... I'll just wait a while for the next version, which will probably solve all these minor glitches :D

It's fine for now as long as you don't open very many tabs.
Rubber_Hamster wrote:
Any suggestions?

Put your location in your profile. For all we know, you're three blocks away from another SGI owner who would be happy to stick your Indy drive into their Fuel, blow away the passwords and hand it back to you.
canavan wrote: Now I'll have to figure out how to configure fonts with subpixel antialiasing and no color fringing.

If anything, it's a little bit too sharp here. It's kind of disturbing :)
smj wrote:
So hamei did they release the iPhone with US-style lock-in there, or did this guy reveal a lack of knowledge about how the China mobile market works?

I have no idea what he's trying to say. Sounds like he doesn't, either. "Available on China Mobile "? Almost any phone you buy is "available on China Mobile." (They don't have CDMA.) The "mobile market" here is just like the bread market or the sweater market or the pizza market. We go to the phone store and buy one. Nothing special about it. Stick your SIM card in it and away you go.

Oh. You guys oughta try that 'free market" thing. It's not so bad, when you actually have one :D

China Mobile will trade in your old normal SIM for the mini-SIM for a small charge, that's about the only control they have over the iPhone. They do sell them but they aren't the only ones ... but it is a limitation. Apple is stupid. If they sold through all the 2.5 million little phone stores they could sell a lot more. We have phone stores everywhere . If they'd just sell the phones like Samsung and Nokia and Motorola do, they would sell more. But noooo they have to be special . Clue for Apple guys : China Mobile is not special . China Mobile is your grandma.

I think most people do go to China Mobile for the SIM exchange since the cut-down-yourself thing is not guaranteed to work. They also have a pay-as-you-go plan like the US - I forget the name - but only a few businesses use it. There is also a not-too-ridiculous data plan that China Unicom has. The only trouble with that is China Unicom sucks.

China Mobile is not the first choice for buying an iPhone. They are about $100 cheaper in Hong Kong. You also have to be careful if you buy from unknown suppliers - could be anything inside that patented plastic rectangle with the round corners :)

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One of the Assist's friends was convinced anyone could get an iPhone for $200 by going to Best Buy and saying the secret password to 'the Chinese guy." Oh-kaaaay. Kind of odd ... I can't think of anyone I know who has bought one at the Apple store. Must be somebody but ... probably they don't have any in stock. When they didn't have any to sell in the US it was because "Sales are so high we can't keep them on hand !" now that the stock has crashed $200/share, it's because "sales were disappointing." It would be really nice if these people would get their lies straight. Assist is doubly pissed now, she bought something from iStore, paid for it, then when she went to download got a message "This is not available in your country." Nice work, dickwads. Couldn't bother to mention that upfront, eh ?

It does appear that the experience of owning an iPhone is something that could limit their sales here. Chinese people gossip. A lot . Easy to scratch and rob me of $15 bucks and honey, you got youself a potential enemy. iPhone is not that great. Take away the lockin and they're going to have a rough time competing with Samsung.

Does no one else think the stock market is a total fraud when the "value" of a company can change by 800 billion dollars in three days ? This is one of the stupidest things I ever heard of. Why do people listen to that shit ? The "financial news" is about as relevant to reality as stories about Janet Jackson's tits falling out. It appears that the US has jumped the shark.


Service-wise, you have China Mobile which is the big good one - decent coverage, good quality, locations everywhere, okay prices (costs me about $15 a month). China Unicom has CDMA and a reasonable wireless data plan and maybe has coverage in a few places that China Mobile doesn't go, but no one likes them. You do China Unicom if you have no other choice. I was stuck with them when I had a Linux powered patent-infringing (round corners) Samsung i519. Our office connection was a smaller company, pretty good, and then China Unicom bought them and two days later it was shit. They are kind of like China Eastern - if it's a choice between walking and China Eastern and you only have three days, you take China Eastern. Otherwise, for distances less than 1,000 km, walk

Oh, I see the confusion. China Mobile is a service provider and they sell phones. They may provide a phone if you buy a service plan but I have never heard of anyone doing that. We ain't stupid enough for that schtick. People use them as a pre-paid service provider. You can buy a $15 card within 100 yards of almost anywhere. Scratch off the number, punch it in and you're set for another month. It's totally easy. C Mobile aren't big in retail phone sales. So equating the number of users with the number of phone sales is total ignorance.

I read that you are going to put people in prison for unlocking their own phones now. Good work ! US isn't owned by corporations, oh no ! :shock:

Girls like Korea stuff but they also like Japan stuff. And France stuff. Juicy was hot a while ago and before that Abercrummy and Footch. I would not say that Chinese people flock after anything in particular. They flock after whatever is stylish at the moment but Korea doesn't own the definition.

Did I ramble enough yet ? can try harder if it's necessary. Not sure what's wrong with my brain today, maybe the start of fireworks season :P
canavan wrote: Your screenshot looks like you have not configured fontconf at all. Try adjusting things in /usr/nekoware/etc/fonts/local.conf and adding some more fonts

Thanks, canavan ! I do have fontconfig configged but your additions look great. I'm headed off to download your freetype upgrade now. The screenshots are deceiving, since I have to resize them. Here's a real one :


I wonder if this ever went anywhere ?

http://markmail.org/message/eee27p5al6xiwgtm
One thing to consider : if you are interested in the "common file system" (or whatever they call it) so that you can share with Windows machines easily, 10 does not include that. 11 does. "Services for Unix" on Windows is pretty clunky.

Not sure whether "does not support" = "will not run" or just "Oracle won't help you." If it's the latter, well, Oracle isn't going to help you anyway so no great loss.
SAQ wrote:
... what happens if they decide to pull the plug tomorrow.

n-3 ?
canavan wrote:
The pango dependency references neko_pango-1.28.3.tardist that used to be in /beta, but isn't there anymore. Any Idea why it was pulled?

Ah ! So there was a 1.28.3 there ! That's what I had installed. When I went to check over my Firefox dependencies, I was running that one - but couldn't find it in /beta. So I just removed it and installed whichever one is now available. (1.12.4 or something ?)

One thing about the pango 1.28.3 : I was getting a lot of "deformed output" warnings in FF3 and the browser would shortly thereafter crash. That isn't happening with 1.12.4 So perhaps that beta pango was not a good one to have if running FF3.

The libtool8 homegrown testing package seems to work okay but we (I, anyhow) would welcome an updated standard version :)
recondas wrote: Just got done installing the latest revision ff3.0.19 on an Onyx350 with IP graphics (dual-pipe, 8P, 16GB).

Do you still run the IR graphics ? Would be interesting to hear a comparison.

One crash so far:

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|$(0x6dd)ALERT: Process [firefox-bin] 4512 generated trap, but has signal 10 held or ignored
....which is the same crash I'd get with neko_ff2 on a fairly regular basis.

You'll get more, promise :D So far, FF3 crashes about as frequently for me as FF2. But the page rendering is superior. And the crashes have been addressed in other versions of FF so there is a potential upgrade path, where FF2 was a dead end.

Update : I uninstalled ff2 and the issue with slow rendering went away. Since the uninstalling ff2 I also haven't been able to reproduce the trap error with ff3, so it looks like removing ff2 may have resolved the issues I experienced.

<aol> me, too !</aol> I've never been lucky with having two versions of FF installed.

I still see where some websites will seemingly grab the display, so that changing tabs does not redraw the windows in other tabs, but again, that's a FF issue, not a porting issue.

If you have no-script, don't uninstall it. It puts some crap somewhere in the FF code that it doesn't remove. Every time I click rmb now there's an error code thrown. (I start it from a terminal at this time so that I can see what it's doing.) That wasn't there before I uninstalled no-script.
bitcpy wrote:
I did find those but held of on resorting to them unless I couldnt locate the native 68pin drives. I'd rather not have the extra electronics in there if I dont need them.

If you have other SGI machines, the 80 pin drives with an adapter are more versatile. With 80 pin drives you can swap them into an O2 or Octane very easily for various purposes. A 68 pin drive can't do that.

An 80 pin data drive running xfs could be used in a Linux box as well. If it's a server-style computer it will have 80 pin sockets. It's easy to put an adapter on an 80 pin drive for a 68 pin cable but difficult to fit that setup into a computer intended for use with sca drives.

The electronics are less than minimal. It's a couple of chips and two connectors and there's plenty of room for them inside the Fuel case. Not so in the other direction.
zmttoxics wrote:
In this case, it means does not run.

Well, that's the poops. Good to know tho, thank you for the info.

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If you want CIFS on S10, you can use the SFW Samba packages, they work fine.

Samba sucks dead donkey balls and it's going the wrong way anyhow (need Sharity ?) but otherwise, Solaris 10 works nicely for me, so I'm not crying.

@astouffer : Solaris 10 is actually nice but don't install the graphical desktop . That thing is worse than a nightmare. It's the interface that drove Freddy Krueger around the bend. You have been warned.
ClassicHasClass wrote:
I don't understand what was broken about the old Groups that they had to "fix" it.

Remember deja news ? Sigh.

It's all about control now. Innovation my left walnut, it's all "How can we fuck people by charging them for what's really theirs ?"

Patents on a round corner, what a large appetizing bowl of fragrant steaming pigshit. It's class warfare all right, and pretty obvious who is winning, one little piece at a time.

If you want to know the truth, petitions do nothing. An Uzi in Google headquarters is the correct response to this. 枪杆子里出政权
Wull, damn ! I finally found something that win2k pro cannot do ! Maybe save someone, somewhere some time : RDP is called terminal Services on win2k and you need the server edition to make it work. And you can't just booger in the relevant files.

Poop.
recondas wrote: Knock on wood - ff3 hasn't crashed since I figured out the remove-ff2-first part.

Go to http://www.sfgate.com Open about ten tabs. Right in the middle of a story about the damned ravens, crash.

Maybe it's for the better after all. :)


If you're not getting the

terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what(): std::bad_alloc


or any memory crashes, then cool. N-S was not a problem until I removed it. Then it left some junk behind somewhere.

If you don't crash at sfgate, we should compare ldd lists and library versions. I'd like to not crash too.

Or I could just avoid sfgate. It is kind of a birdcage liner. In the past couple of days they have printed two stories that were eighteen and fifteen years old. Let's have a hi-tech knowledge-based economy ! :P
recondas wrote: You might want to consider re-adding noscript ... Read a couple of the articles on sfgate and even followed a couple the links - didn't experience any crashes.

Did you hold your nose ? :P

Since removing n-s hasn't helped, I probably will re-add it. It may help, but ... We have a slightly unusal situation here. Connections inside China are pretty fast but to overseas they are slow. The gfw slows things down and the backbone to the outside world is undersized. On top of that, facebook and tweeter and much of that crap does not get through, so the stoopid effing browser sits there and waits. And waits. And waits. And waits. Finally after ten minutes or so it gives up. The blithering idiots who coded this pile of crap never considered that maaaybe some day a site would be down.

I just ran through this again (twice.) It's repeatable :

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moz_run_program[36]: 2464 Memory fault

( restore previous session )

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terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
what():  std::bad_alloc
moz_run_program[36]: 2661 Abort

The interesting part is, if I stick to old-fashioned websites (nekochan, graphics magick, personal sites) this is not a problem at all. It's when you go to the javascript-laden advertising-driven "rich user experience" modern sites-of-shit that all hell breaks loose.

Obvious solution : don't go there :D

Thanks for running a control test. Most likely I just have to work around this behavior.
ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I have a cheap $2 one from China in my Fuel and it works great.

Mine has a resistor. That's probably why it was $3 :P
astouffer wrote:
The world seemed like a more interesting place back when each unix vendor had their own window manager.

Maybe. But Sun had at least 376 different incompatible window manglers all on their own.

It's easy to find documentation for Solaris. It's exasperating to sort through the 86,957,219 returns in .02 seconds to figure out which documentation applies. Freddy Krueger was a normal human being before his grandpa was committed and he inherited a V240 :twisted:
robespierre wrote: The Personal DECstation was also a rare machine for the era that used one serial bus for all its input peripherals. At the time, only ADB (used by Apple and NeXT) had that architecture; other workstations used multiple rs232 or rs423 signals for each device, or, like PCs, had a single serial bus per device.

My Vectra had that HIL (Human Interface Loop ) or the HP-IL (can never keep them straight) ... that would be about 1985 ? Earlier than this or later ? The keyboard, mouse, and trackball were all on one 4-wire interface. Pretty sure the HP workstations used that same system.

The HP version of DOS reserved 4K at the top of conventional memory to deal with the input loop, that often caused difficulties with HIMEM.SYS and some programs .... remember all the fun with CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT and reordering device drives to maximize memory (by 2k) and reduce conflicts ? Good times :P
diegel wrote: I have seen a pango related error, I am quit sure this is a problem of the current pango package.

Agreed, we can put this one to bed. Maybe there are some problems with the current pango but the ones I was seeing came from an old test pango. The one in /current has not done that "warning : distorted display" thing.

So one down :)

I also have seen a bus error, but I was not able to reproduce it, so I can't debug it.

Same here, doesn't seem to be related to any particular situation or site. Except maybe sfgate but recondas did not have any problem there.

There must be something different with your setup, are you using your firefox with a remote X11 server?

No, pretty much the normal on-box local operation. It appears to be a combination of goofball sites with bad coding, the great firewall, our internet speed in general, China Telecom DNS which lies, and the waiting for facebook, tweeter, and other advertising which never shows up.

Some of this I just have to live with. Some of them are also apparent in the semi-current Firefox on Windows. Just a couple versions ago it would do things like freeze with 100% cpu. Forever. (Semi because they dropped Win2k a couple versions ago.) I would like to move the Firefox coders to China for about a year and force them to use their own product :)

Overall, it's a definite improvement. So I am not complaining, for sure. Thanks again !

edit : just timed it. http://www.tech-recipes.com Waiting for platrform.twitter.com ... three minutes twelve seconds !! Ridiculous !
zmttoxics wrote:
Solaris 10 ships with both CDE and what they call JDS which is basically a theme for GNOME. All Solaris 10 releases have CDE.

It wasn't the CDE or window manager so much - altho that's sort of a pain also - but the Xservers were different, the gui administration tools seemed to change every three days, nothing was the same from one version to another. Check google for "how to add a new user" and you'd get twelve different sets of tools, none of which match your computer.

At least < useradd -options > is consistent !

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you have lights out which means a whole lot to me more than a gui on my servers. :)

Damn straight ! And it works good. Just no gui tools, puh-lease !!