The collected works of hamei - Page 56

njash21 wrote: MOST IMPORTANTLY gateway error has disappeared when I boot up

Progress is our most important product :D

So, what happens if you do < ping 192.168.1.252 > ? for example :

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urchin 5% ping boozer
PING boozer (192.16.90.33): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.16.90.33: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=0.415 ms
64 bytes from 192.16.90.33: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.274 ms
64 bytes from 192.16.90.33: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.282 ms
64 bytes from 192.16.90.33: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=0.287 ms
64 bytes from 192.16.90.33: icmp_seq=4 ttl=128 time=0.279 ms

ctrl-c to end ... windows just pings 4 times, you have to stop Irix with control-c

If that works, then try an < nslookup ibm.com > (or any other website you like, ibm is just easy to type.)
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foetz wrote: so the good old mips1 build with just using -O3 could compete with the fancy n32 mips3 build built with not just -O3 but the whole spiffy -OPT:Olimit=0:roundoff=3:div...

sure, the test is far from comprehensive but still interesting i think.

What happens if you do something more floatingpointy ? for integer, a p-iii will kick Irix butt every which way but loose ...
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Been looking for something like this forever, finally found it in a Loonix app but seems like way too much trouble to build (tons of other weirdness in the program, it's called Shotwell and seems to be written in some high-level Martian language.)

shotwell.jpg
shotwell.jpg (37.41 KiB) Viewed 676 times

Cropping to a defined size is such a pita but this be da way to do it ! In case you haven't guessed, the semi-opaque window is the predetermined size you want for the crop, which you drag around until it's where you like then clickety-clack. No, I do not want to put black lines on the photo then drag them around while watching the size display at the top of the screen, thank you very much. That's stewpid.

What other programs are available with this feature but hopefully more conducive to an Irix build ?
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foetz wrote: i have no idea how a p3 matters here.

'cuz even a p-iii is so much faster than any MIPS cpu at integer that it doesn't seem like they'd have spent much effort optimizing for integer ? If one were going to write integer-heavy apps you'd have to be a lunatic to choose Irix ...
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Creeping up on another Solaris installation here (oh boy I can hardly wait) but thinking of installing to a USB stick. In that situation. what's the normal way to deal with mounting the disk ? Mount at /export/home and make a link to /opt ? or the other way around ? or something much smarter ?
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commodorejohn wrote: I dunno about Photoshop for IRIX, but Photoshop 7 at least has a "fixed size" mode for its rectangular selection tool that can do this, as well as a "fixed aspect ratio" mode. Quite handy.

9 does also but I can't check my Irix Pshop, it went south for winter :( And Eclipse won't run either :( :( We're having a major malfunction here on the grafix front.

Thanks all for the other suggestions, maybe one of them can be induced to build on Irix. It's such a simple but useful feature ...
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duck wrote: I don't know, neko_gimp perhaps?

Oooh ! ooh ! ooh ! Thanks, Muldoon ! this is the easiest ... I've avoided installing gimp in the past, too many requirements but nice if it will do this. Thank you.

Stoo wrote: Ah, for some reason I thought Hamei was looking for one with the rule of thirds/golden ratio overlay :)

It wasn't a prerequisite but it could be handy. Mostly I just wanted a fixed size so that photos don't get butchered by the resizing process. The window thing is nice because it gives you a better idea of what the finished photo will look like. The thirds-window is not a bad idea but you'd want to be able to turn it on and off, I think. The semi-opaque thing isn't too bad either, altho the gimp's brightness system looks good too.

foetz wrote: gimp can do it. also the 1.x versions if you wanna avoid the gtk2 bloat.

Even better idea .. in fact, I think I've seen mention of earlier Motif versions ... hmmm :D Light and basic would be good.

All I'm using this for is real early in the brochure process I choose the photos I want, size them, then send over to the Assist for artistic embellishment. Pulling the crops at a 1:1 ratio avoids the fuzziness you get from resizing and you can make a series of photos all the same size easily. Even the Shotwell thingy could be improved maybe by having a really wide border on the crop window so you'd get a better idea of the finished result.

not to forget irix' very own ImageWORKS. it doesn't keep the fixed size but you can crop/expand by numbers

Mostly been using imgview but the crop-by-numbers thingy is sort of a pita. Have also found that Pho is great for running through a batch of fresh photos and ditching the bad ones. Next -> next -> next crashes image/graphics magick, imgview won't do it. It's a nice feature of Irfanview, used to make me jealous.

But we take what we can get :D Thank you all, maybe by the time I die I'll have this figured out.
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vishnu wrote: What version of Solaris? If it's 11 it's as easy as falling off a log: /installing-oracle-solaris-11-2-using-usb- openstack -image.

Holy Mother of Snowden, Margaret ! It's The Cloud ! Run for your life ! Hide the data in the root cellar and smear yourself with dogshit, it'll think you are a yuppy and Belong to It !


Fear Not, Father Babbage will deliver thee from SIGINT.

Ellison, Schmidt, Paige ! I command thee in the name of Stallman ! Depart this rack and torment this computer no more ! Begone, thou misbegotten coupling of Greed and Fascism ! Return thy fetid stench to Mountain View !


Meanwhile, it looks like it's time to investigate Containers. Jeeze, not exactly what I needed to spend the waning years of my youth on but no other choice I can see ... looks kind of interesting, actually.
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vishnu wrote: This is for sparc presumably? Been thinking about picking up a Sunfire V240 at my local Sun recycler. 8-)

C'mon, you know you really want an X4500 :D Surprisingly, there's one over here for about $600. Probably no disks tho. Do you get a quantity discount when you buy 50 ? :P

For me, x86 this time. The HP Microserver seems pretty nice so far. Smaller than an O2 with four disks and a dvd-writer and 2 pci-e slots. 20 watts, dual-core AMD. Very quiet. The design is not as pretty, working inside it sucks but maybe a nice little box otherwise. So far so good.

Solaris 11 for the cifs.

Finally looking into the containers thingy, might be useful in this case.

foetz wrote: no offence hamei

None taken. It was a deserved badge ... :P
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foetz wrote: gimp_0541.tar.bz2

Very cool, foetz ! Thank you !

I can't get it to import yet and

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gimp warning: Cannot allocate colormap entry for "#acacac"
gimp warning: Cannot allocate colormap entry for "#ff0000"
gimp warning: No brushes available for use with this tool.
gimp warning: No brushes available for use with this tool.

but that's just teething problems ... otherwise

this thing looks much nicer to me than the gtk versions :D

I wonder ......
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foetz wrote: ...

foetz, can you get Gimp 54 to File ... Open ... anything ? I've tried jpg's and tiffs and pngs with no success so far :( No nastiness, just silently fails to open the file. I can make new stuff but not import anything.

btw, did you notice this in the /plug-ins Makefile ?

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# the setup for the SGI's on campus (UCB)
#INCLUDE   =   -I/usr/sww/include -I/home/tmp/spencer/include-sgi
#LINCLUDE   =   -L/usr/sww/lib -L/home/tmp/spencer/lib-sgi

Looks like SGI / Irix was involved in the creation of the Gimp :P
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nongrato wrote: HIIP from the Hotmix#18 CD ...

Eighteen, you say ? Thanks !

Yes, hiip was missing, I just haven't had enough spare time to go hunt up that CD. Now that I know which one, it should only take three days instead of three weeks :P grazie

What do you think of it, ingrate ?
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Was looking around 'cuz my proxy is about twenty years old and Cisco acl's are a bitch and everybody says modern stateful firewalls are the bee's knees and that bright red Watchguard sure would look good sitting in the rack but ...

http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_ ... epinspect/

hmm. Watcha think ?
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robespierre wrote: i watched more of his slide presentations....

Aren't the radar systems in military aircraft liquid-cooled ? Seems like there would be a lot of high-dollar experience there to be utilized.
two girls for every boy ...
thought this was kind of interesting and potentially useful ...

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the- ... a-petabyte
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foetz wrote: i never felt the need for an ssd. i simply don't need that speed neither want that kind of "reliability"

I'm not a fanboy either but this was interesting ... the hit on SDD's has been that they are not reliable and that they degrade with use. I don't think my disk drives hold up to a petabyte of writes, so ...

The lack of moving parts is nice. I can see these eventually putting disk drives into the paper tape closet.
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foetz wrote: it should be on the cd from avid or whatever other source you have since it's needed to run the thing

Ja, if I didn't have more CD's than Carter has liver pills, I could find it instantly :( I think I copied it over from the Octane, actually. It's been a while ...

nongrato wrote: well, you can do some stuff even with demo version: ...

Cute ! I hope that lady likes cats tho, or you are in big trouble :P
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robespierre wrote: That solves a lot of problems, but at a high cost, since multi-pin hermetic connectors can cost several hundred dollars... per connector.

Well, as John Arbuckle would say .... :P
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foetz wrote: ramdisk :D

Too easy. Not expensive enough :P

Still, nice to see that ssd's are apparently not as feeble as their reputations.
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jpstewart wrote: Is it my imagination or is the Nekoware "primary mirror" out of sync

You're assbolutely right ! I was wondering where axatax'es MPlayer beta went. No wonder he wandered off, nobody downloaded it or even mentioned it :(

We are correcting that situation now ... wasn't there something odd about autoconf 2.69 ? Are you going to blaze the trail for us, jp ? Thanks for walking point :P
Axatax wrote: Sent an updated version of MPlayer and some libraries to /incomming.

Finally got it ! Hooray ! thanks jp, I kept looking in all the wrong places.

but alas, much sadness in Mudville :(

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urchin 19% mplayer "George Foreman vs Ron Lyle 1976.avi"
1825:mplayer: rld: Fatal Error: Cannot Successfully map soname 'libdvdread.so.4' version 'sgi4.0' under any of the filenames /usr/nekoware/lib/libdvdread.so.4:/usr/nekoware//lib/libdvdread.so.4:/opt/build/pango-1.12.4/pango/.libs/libdvdread.so.4:/usr/local/lib/libdvdread.so.4:/usr/lib32/libdvdread.so.4:/usr/lib32/internal/libdvdread.so.4:/lib32/libdvdread.so.4:/opt/lib32/libdvdread.so.4:/usr/nekoware/lib/libdvdread.so.4.4:/usr/nekoware//lib/libdvdread.so.4.4:/opt/build/pango-1.12.4/pango/.libs/libdvdread.so.4.4:/usr/local/lib/libdvdread.so.4.4:/usr/lib32/libdvdread.so.4.4:/usr/lib32/internal/libdvdread.so.4.4:/lib32/libdvdread.so.4.4:/opt/lib32/libdvdread.so.4.4:


Oh poo :(

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urchin 3% pwd
/usr/nekoware/lib
urchin 4% ls
...
libdvdread.so
libdvdread.so.4
libdvdread.so.4.0
libdvdread.so.5
libdvdread.so.5.2
...


so ...

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urchin 20% versions -n neko_libdvdread
I = Installed, R = Removed

Name                 Version     Description

I  neko_libdvdread               2  DVD video disk access library, 4.2.1
I  neko_libdvdread.opt           2  optional software
I  neko_libdvdread.opt.relnotes           2  release notes
I  neko_libdvdread.sw            2  software
I  neko_libdvdread.sw.hdr           2  headers
I  neko_libdvdread.sw.lib           2  shared libraries
urchin 21% versions -n neko_libdvdread.sw.lib
I = Installed, R = Removed

Name                 Version     Description

I  neko_libdvdread               2  DVD video disk access library, 4.2.1
I  neko_libdvdread.sw            2  software
I  neko_libdvdread.sw.lib           2  shared libraries

Oh where oh where is my version sgi4.0 ? Plus now I can't watch George and Ron smack each other around for twenty minutes :(

Mr Axatax, are you out there somewhere ?
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To update myself, seems that /export/home has been upstaged by /zones. This zones/containers thing looks pretty nice. Would be perfect on Irix if SGI hadn't flushed themselves down the toilet. Thanks, Bozo ! Nice work !
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Well shee-(expletive deleted) ...

So the original problem was my fault, there are two mplayer versions, one with a gui and one without. I got them mixed together so one of each was present. Bad bad :oops:

Fixed that.

Now ...

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urchin 26% mplayer "Test Me Deeply.avi"
2329:mplayer: rld: Fatal Error: Cannot Successfully map soname 'libspeex.so.2' under any of the filenames /usr/nekoware/lib/libspeex.so.2:/work/pango-1.28.4/pango/.libs/libspeex.so.2:/usr/local/lib/libspeex.so.2:/opt/build/pango-1.12.4/pango/.libs/libspeex.so.2:/usr/nekoware//lib/libspeex.so.2:/usr/lib32/libspeex.so.2:/usr/lib32/internal/libspeex.so.2:/lib32/libspeex.so.2:/opt/lib32/libspeex.so.2:/usr/nekoware/lib/libspeex.so.2.2:/work/pango-1.28.4/pango/.libs/libspeex.so.2.2:/usr/local/lib/libspeex.so.2.2:/opt/build/pango-1.12.4/pango/.libs/libspeex.so.2.2:/usr/nekoware//lib/libspeex.so.2.2:/usr/lib32/libspeex.so.2.2:/usr/lib32/internal/libspeex.so.2.2:/lib32/libspeex.so.2.2:/opt/lib32/libspeex.so.2.2:
urchin 27%

libspeex ? wtf ? Not in current, not in beta. Here it is, whoopee

http://www.speex.org/

It's been outdated by Opie that's better in every way but I ain't going there ...

So, speex-1.2rc1,

./configure--prefix=/usr/nekoware

looks okay until the very end

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source='skeleton.c' object='skeleton.o' libtool=no \
depfile='.deps/skeleton.Po' tmpdepfile='.deps/skeleton.TPo' \
depmode=sgi /bin/sh ../depcomp \
cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../include -I../include -I.. -I/usr/nekoware/include    -mips4 -O3 -c99  -I/usr/nekoware/include -I/usr/include -c skeleton.c
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link cc  -mips4 -O3 -c99  -I/usr/nekoware/include -I/usr/include  -mips4 -L/usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/lib32 -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/nekoware/lib -o speexenc  speexenc.o wav_io.o skeleton.o ../libspeex/libspeex.la ../libspeex/libspeexdsp.la -L/usr/nekoware/lib -logg    -lm
mkdir .libs
cc -mips4 -O3 -c99 -I/usr/nekoware/include -I/usr/include -mips4 -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/nekoware/lib -o .libs/speexenc speexenc.o wav_io.o skeleton.o  -L/usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/lib32 ../libspeex/.libs/libspeex.so ../libspeex/.libs/libspeexdsp.so /usr/nekoware/lib/libogg.so -lm -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/nekoware/lib
ld32: ERROR   33 : Unresolved text symbol "getopt_long" -- 1st referenced by speexenc.o.

"getopt_long", isn't that kinda normal ? Should be easy to fix ?

edit: I see the problem. gcc, we luvs you to death. Emphasis on the object of the preposition. If anyone smarter than me wants to hit this, it seems like the only thing standing between us and a fresher MPlayer with the Irix optimizations included ...

About to step off the high dive here, ref :

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16726751

and

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/MODU ... topt-posix

can I just put the #include <unistd.h> into whichever pos is using getopt_long then place the .c and .h files into the relevant directories ?

'spose I could just try it but would like to understand the principles ...
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Maybe I was biased but I always thought the 320 was the nicest implementation of Windows 2000 you could get. Honkin' big box, though*.

*Yeah, I know. If you had two more inches of dick you could get some new pussy right here ...
On the off chance that this would be helpful to someone who knows what they are doing ...

This version does need libspeex. I guess in the confusion Axatax forgot to build a tardist.

Libspeex is weird (to me, anyhow.) It has an if-def to create getopt_long already, but I couldn't get it to work. However, by accident I built it ./configure but without the --prefix=/usr/nekoware flag and it couldn't find Ogg. Why ? that's totally strange. But then it commenced to build the library without the encoder and decoder. Fine, at least it's a step forward and Mplayer v 1 never had speex. Opie is better in every way anyhow.

Built the library, manhandled it into /usr/nekoware/lib and .....


This could be an optical illusion but I think it's better. Slightly sharper, sound seems cleaner. And it is a first step on the way to updating the base code of MPlayer while still keeping the SGI enhancements we already had.


To me, this is a worthwhile project. Calling all coders, man your stations ! This is not a drill ...

(If you are not afraid of the devil, attached are the libspeex libraries and links I built. Put them into /usr/nekoware and the beta MPlayer should work. This is not a good permanent solution but if you don't have a compiler and want to play ...)

testspeex.zip
(317.01 KiB) Downloaded 14 times


Hmm. Only one file is supposed to be a file, the other two are links but zip turned them all into files. Anyway, it's just for testing so ....
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nongrato wrote: Big dissapointment: the system doesn't play any sound on startup. Welcome to PC world.

A lot of the later stuff does not. The story is that the data in the prom has grown to where there's not enough room for music.

At least the VW320 has a prom, not a bios :D
jpstewart wrote: :?: Anybody want to chip in to buy hamei some new reading glasses? :lol:

Or maybe a brain :D

I'll be a monkey's uncle , it's hiding right there in plain sight as speex, not libspeex !

Gottit installed, runs about the same as with my phony one. Cool. Better than cool, this is a real tardist. Have to look and see how they got around the getopt_long thingy ...

One hit against the MPlayer beta, it doesn't list speex as a requirement. Other than that tho ... so far so good --
william_zanziger.jpg
Look, no iPad ! how could he ever innovate those acclaimed eponymous breakthrough modern artworks ?


Mr Vegac, while you're here, can you expound on this ?

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VDec: vo config request - 320 x 240 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
VO: [sgi] 320x240 => 320x240 Planar YV12
[sgi] VPro (Odyssey) Hardware with Dual Channel Display detected:
using software colorspace conversion (rgb)
drawing via textures
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Nice New Year's present, muchas gracias* Mr Neko :D

* per nongrato instructions, trying to avoid the word "thanks" :P
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Okay, a little update in case anyone else is in the same position and maybe some of the time I wasted can be a help ...

The smart thing to do would have been to buy an el-cheapo Buffalo two-disk p.o.s. or something, stick two 500 gb disks in mirrored and put up with the shitty Windows Home Server file-sharing or whatever. Computers are a waste of time, I coulda taken up boxing or something worthwhile with the hours I spent on this.

The next smartest would have been to install Warp Server - OS/2 does NFS fine and of course Lan Server is an IBM product, Windows file-sharing is OS/2. But been there, done that, where's the fun ?

See ? I still have delusions that software has improved over the past twenty years. Mental illnes is very difficult to treat.

Grabbed a few Loonixes to give them a fair chance, yeah, well, no thanks. For one thing, Samba sucks dead donkey balls. Seriously. Between Services for Unix and Samba, have to go with SFU. Ugh. Was surprised at how many "distros" there now are, all of them exactly the same except for the icons, each trying to be "different" and failing miserably, every one of them attempting to be "easy to use for beginners". Talk about misguided. Not a single one attempting to correct the real flaws in Loonix as a desktop environment. Is the entire Loonixsphere composed of imbeciles these days ?

About 30% of the "distros" didn't even have functional download sites, and of the 70% that did download and burn to USB stick, maybe 50% worked. To be fair, the mainstream versions such as Scientific Loonix and Centos and Suse did work fine. It was just that even working, there was no reason to choose them over Windows 98. Like Oakland, there's no 'there' there.

NAS4Free, FreeNAS and a couple other nas'es (butcher boy plural; hands, el zamir, don't click to your horse) actually worked. Several of them looked nice, but too limiting. jwp has a point in this case, if you have a full server operating system, limiting yourself to click-the-button file serving is an artificial situation. NAS4Free looked real nice tho and the way it gathers statistics is attractive. It's all just Solaris stuff but presented well. I can see why some people like it.

FreeBSD actually installed to the usb stick, booted, worked. It was okay but still too Loonixish for me. Apache, MySQL, etc etc. Barf. Pissed me off a little tho - "in the name of the false god Security we are not going to let you ...." thanks soooooo much you little assholes, I am apparently smart enough to install and run your twit operating system but too stupid to turn off rlogin after I've set up the box so you are going to make it impossible to use. I really like sitting here on the floor with a 19" crt in my lap because you have decided I am too stupid to sit at my desk and set this thing up remotely. Gracias muchas and take a long walk off a short pier.

Did discover one tricky little thing in the research - the wicked stepmother Oracle put cinderella in the ashes at version 28 of zpools. You can import a zpool into any zfs-cognizant operating system but only up to version 28 . If you want to play around with different systems, make sure your zpools are at or below v 28. After that, you are stuck with whichever one made the pool. You can upgrade but can't downlevel.

Solaris 11. Oh boy. Been using 10 remotely with no gui for six years now, no complaints. Want 11 tho because the main point of this exercise is to share with Windows. 11 has "cifs" built in to the kernel, no arfing Sambo.

Went to Oracle, only 11.2 no 11.1. Thanks much, don't want "the Cloud" in my computer. No 11.1 to be found. Shee-it.

Hunted down 11.1 online. Installed. Oh goody, gnome. Install to USB means it copies over this entire mess. No thanks.

Hunted down the "Text-based Installer." With 10, this gave you several different levels - minimum, full, full + developer, and so on. Didn't see any of these choices with the new installer. Oh goody again. Life gets better every day in every way. Too bad I'm an antique asshole who can't deal with change. Take our chances, I can always delete the unnecessary shit later.

The installer was good. Clean and thorough, gave you the chance to set things up however you pleased. Oh yeah, I forgot, FreeBSD is stuck in dhcp-land. Goddamit you idiots.

Of course it failed instantly when trying to install to a USB stick - "cannot unmount c4t0d0" Nice. Does anyone anywhere do quality control these days ? Gave up and installed it to an old disk. Still have to dd the disk over to a USB stick.

So. Solaris 11. Larry kicked Meg's ass on this one. The drooling Quaker Oats lady got cut off by land and by sea. Return back East, you ignorant hag. HP totally lost the fight for the enterprise, pissing away a billion smackers on that ripoff buzzword-of-the-day crap while Larry snuck in and picked up a real product for pennies. I'd sell any HP stock I had. ZFS, containers, zones, current Solaris is another world beyond the current state of Unixxy computing. It's ridiculously complex for what I need to do - that Buffalo 2-disker would be fine, honest - but once you toss the gnome desktop shit, Solaris is da bomb for servers. And Carly thinks she can run for president ... what a brainless no-tit twat. The 'stockholders' should be storming her castle with torches.

The HP Microserver is decent. Small size, okay build (not what the gushing masses claim but better than most cheap-ass Taiwanian cases), room for plenty of disk and pretty quiet, low-electric-draw, enough cpu. The gen 7 has 2 pci-e slots and a full-height cd-rom, the gen 8 has socketed intel cpu's that can be upgraded, you pays your money takes your choice. Gen 8 is a little prettier but ours is in a rack so that's not important. Got the 7 cuz I want to burn dvd's and the extra pci can take a scsi card in case I go to tape. Both of them seem like a pretty nice product. Pretty happy with it, if they came out with something similar in a rackmount case that would be grrr-ate.

Next time I'm just gonna install OS/2. It's time to move on to Real Life.
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diegel wrote: The only way to change this is paticipating in open source development.

In some rare cases this is true. A very few projects are concerned with portability and standards. Those projects also go out of their way to get access to oddball hardware. The guy at Ted, Graphics Magick, and XPDF come to mind.

Most of the others dismiss anything other than the latest generation of x86 hardware and gcc as "legacy" to be despised. Hardware is cheap, disk space is cheaper, integer is the be-all and end-all, gcc works perfectly on all platforms, whatever the latest buzzword is, is perfect. Remove that old cruft from the configure script ! Irix, HP-UX, NeXT, all worthless old trash from before we were born ! Old coots know nothing !

In too many cases the "open source community" is a bunch of ignorant self-righteous no-talent buffoons. Hell-ooo Mozilla Corporation !

Don't blame a community that don't has access to our compilers/systems.

If they were remotely responsible they'd get off their dead worthless asses and buy some of this "exotic hardware." If they actually cared about the quality of their work they'd do this on general principles because no monoculture is robust. They'd do it from pride in their work and a desire to build a quality product.

But they don't. They don't even test their shit on their own beloved loser platforms. Look seriously at gtk2 - it starts as garbage and gets progressively worse. Every two or three versions they made some insanely stupid decision, such as removing all the default icons from a toolkit ! A couple versions before they removed them, they renamed them. For what purpose ? Just to fuck people up ? What kind of braindead imbeciles do such things ? What does that tell you about Open Sores in general ?

I love the idea. And some of the projects really are great. But in far too many cases, these are five year olds playing grownup in mommy and daddy's clothes.
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nongrato wrote: If this package is installed, Thunderbird crashes ...

Once neko_sqlite3 is removed, Thunderbird functions normally again.

This happened with firefox, too. Firefox eventually built its own internal sqlite. Not sure exactly where the problem is but it's not exclusive to neko sqlite .... there's theads about it here dating back to several years ago. If you need both you can make it work but I forget how.
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vegac wrote: I'm curious how many people (if any) use an SGI as their daily computer.

One here ...

Moreover, for those that do, what do you think the gaps are that make it challenging (and if you would want to but can't, what is it you're missing that keeps you from doing so).

It would be nice to have something that worked with .doc files, not counting Open Orifice. That thing is a p.o.s. Ted is okay and people don't even know when you send them rtf's because Windows conveniently hides the extension, but getting docs is a pain.

A not-online docx converter.

A spreadsheet program that can read xls files. Again, Open Orifice exists so we're not tied to the railroad tracks but something better would be good.

Standard request is a browser ... in the big picture maybe, maybe not. Flop 3 does crash and it's not very fast but could be PaleMooned or something to be better. But for sites like Nekochan that don't use bullshit tracking chasing and spying, it works fine. And I don't want to go to tracking spying sites anyhow. Those sites are like coke without the pussy, you feel so cheap and used afterwards, not going there is the better choice.

Nekoware really has a ton of stuff and running a compiler is not such a big deal. If I had to name any single thing that would be the most help, maybe a newer and better gtk2 would be the biggest. Anything newer than the industrial revolution wants gtk2 ...

All in all, Irix works fine and we have most of what's necessary. Occasionally I have to steal the Assist's Win2k* computer to fill out some online pdf (wtf are those people thinking ?) but in general, no problemo with Irix.

*Okay, I admit it. It's now Windows Server 2003. After eight years it needed a rebuild and I wanted to try Mr Canavan's rdesktop so we moved on to Server 2003. rdesktop works nicely. The newest Fireflop does not. What a piece of shit. Stick to v 28 if you know what's good for you, and even that has some very braindead decisions. This has informed my thinking of Fireflop on Irix - the newer flops are not good. The Mozilla Corporation has totally destroyed Phoenix, thank you so much. It was good while it lasted.
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vegac wrote: It really seems a fast browser is the #1 requirement...

That then opens up the ability to use most sites (including online document editing if needed, webmail, etc. etc.)

Pity Dillo is so limited...it's certainly got speed on its side.

I'll swim against the current here and disagree. In fact, it's getting to where the lack of a "modern" web browser is almost an asset. The web is such a pile of shit these days that being limited in that respect is not a bad thing. Have you looked at the domain names for the first five pages of a search recently ? 80% of them are frauds.

btw, webmail works fine and the hitch with document editing is in the pdf reader, not the browser. There's not much decent available on Windows for that, either.

Here's the deal - if you don't want to live in 1984, then don't use the telescreen. Google is not your friend.

I do wish Mr Axatax would return with his Mplayer work.
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commodorejohn wrote: We put such absurd demands on web browsers now ...

What do you mean, "we", white man ? I doubt that you could find five actual users who want this disgusting shit. It's all created by slavering Madison Avenue greedmeisters trying to jam their worthless crap down our throats. Or twelve-year-olds who just discovered Visual Basic and adsense and should have got a paper route instead.
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Alver wrote: Killing cross-site scripting and SQL injection attempts before they even hit the actual server is pretty nice.

The thing is, tho, that if the servers and browsers weren't doing tremendously stupid stuff, these 'exploits' wouldn't exist. It's very similar to girls wearing skirts up to their ass, no panties, no bra and tops that flash their nipples, then complaining that ugly guys stare at them. If you don't want bad stuff to happen, then don't scribble your address and phone number on the toilet stalls down at the bus station, yes ?

To me it seems like the trouble is not 'security' - real security is pretty easy. The trouble is that people want to let google into their underwear drawer but keep charley the prevert from down the street out.

Well ..... you can't have your cake and eat it too, maybe ?
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Anyone ever try this (successfully) ?

I lost a disk a while back. It was backed up but not totally current so it's not a total disaster but there was some stuff I wouldn't mind saving if possible.

Found an exact duplicate, got it for ten bucks. Tried the circuit-board changeout method, with the new (good) board in the bad disk the disk spins up but gets the click of death and isn't seen by hinv or fx. Also tried the bad board in the new disk (tested the disk first, it's fine) and no go. Swapped the boards back and the replacement works again. So the circuit board is definitely bad but so is something internal.

Pulled the cover off the bad disk and took a look - what the heck, it's bad anyhow - and nothing looks broken. No scratches or marks of any kind in the platters. (2 platters.) So it seems likely that something croaked in the head driving motor and then took out the circuit board along with it. Luckily, only ran the new one a very short time.

It seems like a person could swap out the platters and if careful, it should last long enough to get the data off ... for ten bucks I don't mind trying but if this is impossible, it's not worth wasting a lot of time over.

Anyone here ever succeed at this ?
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No one's ever taken a disk apart ? I'm ashamed of youse guys ...

Mighty Casey has struck out but did learn some stuff :

In this case, I was barking up the wrong tree from the very beginning : the disk that failed was a high-quality enterprise-grade 15k Fujitsu scsi disk that only had a year or two of service. It dates from 2006 but hadn't been used much. it was working fine when I shut the computer off, then never showed up the next time it was booted.

Smart first move would be to run fx against it. Unfortunately, as a boot disk and the only 80-pin sca disk I had, this was impossible. I got totally off on the wrong tangent trying 68 pin disks, cables, dismantling the board that the disks plug in to, etc etc. I kept assuming that it was just a corrupt filesystem and put all my efforts into the wrong places until I finally got a second adapter card installed and tried an fx against that disk separate from the boot controller. Oops.

If you have a second way to access a disk, that's a big help in diagnosis. Another SGI or a Loonix box that can read xfs would do. I put too much trust in the fact that this disk had been fine when shut down and made no bad noises. fx is your friend.

The basics are readily available by search but here's what I noticed :

If you are lucky, this isn't anything to be afraid of. All those "oh noes ! you will instantly destroy your disk if you open it !" pronouncements are bullshit. Yes, it for sure won't last five years after opening. But it's already dead. Don't be a baby, all the parts are made in non-clean-room environments. They aren't vampires, exposure to the sun won't melt them into a blob on the floor.

If you are lucky, a logic board swap will fix the problem. It's easy. Yay.

If that doesn't work, I'd consider pulling the cover off and powering the disk up in the open. I didn't do this and ended up chasing the wrong rabbit because of it. I thought the disk was spinning up because the case got warm. In fact, it wasn't. Swapping out the heads when the problem is the motor is not going to fix anything.

With the cover off, you can see that the disks don't spin up until they are addressed. I always thought they spun up at power-on but no. You can watch the bootup terminal display; when the process gets to each adapter, then the disks are powered up. Not sure if this is true for the boot disk but observed it on a secondary adapter.

Next step would be to swap out the heads. This is not so difficult. I used strips of paper to slide them off the platters without crashing. That was pretty tacky but it worked. Six hands like those Indian godesses would be a help. The twenty-six boobs, not so sure about.

The magnet is very strong, when you first remove it it will surprise you and try to leap at the disk, bringing about instant destruction. Be prepared.

Replacing the heads is actually pretty simple but decent tools would be a help. Toothpicks, pieces of paper, melted soda straws do not count :(

All that work and the thing still didn't show up, crap. So I took the cover off and viola, the disk wasn't spinning. Oh phooey. This is why I mention taking the cover off early in your crusade might be smart. I think swapping the heads an extra time was not an aid to successful surgery in my case.

If you have a single platter, swapping it would be easy. If you have two or more, you're screwed. They need to be timed but there is no physical feature doing this. I looked online, there are platter-removing tools but the ones I saw were very expensive pieces of crap. $ 300 for a tin can with two screws ? those guys must be crazy. If the data were important you could make a decent tool - maybe even with a 3d printer :D Otherwise draw something up and have the local shop mill it out for you out of delrin. My unbacked-up data was just some customizations I had done to the desktop and some emails that are stored offline anyhow. Of course I can't get to offline because the gfw has it blocked but that's a different problem. In this case, I just knocked out a crappy little thing to try to hold the platters in time to each other. Didn't work very well but if you have fairly immportant data, it should be easy to accomplish.

Swapping the platters is even easier than swapping the heads (except you have to get the heads out of the way anyhow.)

In conclusion ... this didn't work for me but that was because I had crappy tools, made some wrong conclusions, and wasn't that concerned about the data. If the data was important but not important enough to spend a ton of money on recovery, chances are good you could do it. And the clean room thing is hogwash. Sure, for a disk to last five years you'd need that. But to run foir twenty minutes while you get most of your files, don't be silly. A can of air and a reasonably clean environment wll work fine. Cleanliness is not the biggest problem. In fact, running the disk open will tell you a lot about what's broken, before you waste time and effort and potentially breaking something that isn't the problem. Dealing with very tiny, very fragile parts is the biggest trouble. And keeping the platters timed to each other, thats the biggest problem.

btw, a data recovery service .... this isn't as difficult as they make it out to be. If it's a physically bad disk that isn't crashed or damaged, and it's not a file-system problem, getting the data off should be doable for a careful amateur. There's gold in them thar hills.
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I hate to be caught sticking up for the Open Sores children, but if you get a jones for some topic at 3:00 a.m. and check nekochan on your phone, this layout renders much better on a small screen. So there's some improvements as well ... It's easy to change the theme so what the heck, if it makes maintenance easier ees okay by me.

What I'd like to know, and I'm pretty sure it's not on the neko end, is why the connection is so weird ? It's faster than a scared bunny for a while, then sits there and sits there. Then it's fast again. Mr Neko, did you hurt the feelings of the Chinese People ?
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robespierre wrote: Is it a job for Herr Doktor Rotwang?

It's not very well known but the good Doktor did make a series of technical films describing his methods . I did watch several times before turning the first screw ...

I've taken old disks apart but not with the intention of fixing them.

Didn't give myself better than 50-50 odds here but what the heck, can't hurt to try ...

From what I gather the torque applied to the case screws is also somewhat critical?

At least on this Fujitsu, the body is a one-piece casting with a screwed-on sheetmetal cover. I can't think the torque applied to those is especially critical.

In the days of PDP11s and such things it was much more common to repair hard drives, since they only lasted a few thousand hours between failures. Obviously no clean rooms.

Ja, I did a pulley change on a Shugart once to convert from 60hz to 50hz. And we had the disk refaced and plated ... even these new disks are not that touchy, I think. After I butchered it about four times the victim did show up on startup but since I got the platters out of sync the filesystem was trash. If it were more important it seems like a careful amatoor would have a fighting chance.

jpstewart wrote: For what it's worth (probably not much!) that's usually controlled via jumpers on the drive itself.

I've seen that on 68-pinners but checked all the 80 pin disks I have here, none of them have spinup or address jumpers. After playing with this thing tho, I am more impressed with SATA drives.

I think it's kind of clever and shows that some thought went into designing these things for a variety of situations.

I'm not sure what I think now ... the drives are rpetty nice but it seems like grossly overpriced - notice how the prices for $300 "enterprise" drives have crashed through the floor ? And I have a sneaking suspicion that there's really not much difference between a garden-variety disk drive and the high-dollar spread. You pay extra for the warranty, statistics takes care of the rest. Have you noticed how hard it is to come by real comparative statistics on drive life ?

I wasn't all that excited about SSD's - a hard disk is fast enough for me - but after having five of these things fail without warning in the past six months, I am becoming more fond of the church of solid state.

Anyway and in conclusion, whether you can retrieve the data off a failed disk is going to depend on exactly what failed but I don't think it's nearly as impossible as many people claim. The most difficult thing is to keep the platters aligned. I did a little searching and saw the abortions people were calling "professional" tools - mary joseph and the baby jesus, what a bunch of grossly overpriced crap. So I went ahead and over-risked it. But thinking later, something like this (for two platters) :


would be easy to build and should do the job. The dimensions would have to be modified to fit the particular platter setup, and some experimenting with materials would be in order (UHMW might be good. Delrin too stiff and scratchy ? maybe some sort of Nylon ?) - I put a screw crosswise in the base to stiffen the anvil, don't know if that would work or not but can try. Anyway, I'd bet this would work better than the crap they sell and would cost about $15 to make. Might even be able to 3d print one ... don't forget to break the edges. Here's an stl to play with, if it can do anyone any good ...

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