The collected works of hamei - Page 60

Trippynet wrote: Watching your team suffering as a result of the owner is not a nice feeling ...

Helloooooo Jed York !

Actually, the niners can go to hell. York is too much of a jerk. When they go 2 and 14 I will laugh.

Feel sorry for the players tho

smj wrote: I'm pretty sure you'll find the same thing in a NeXTstation slab...

Indy is almost exactly the same. They even have fins cast into the air tunnel to help dissipate the heat.

But I think we've seen the last of the cast cases

The lack of intelligence displayed in rackmount cases is disappointing ...

Oskar45 wrote: Seems soccer is all but known in the US.

Of course we know about soccer ! Sales for those behemoth SUV's would be in the ditch if it weren't for soccer moms !

The libjpeg-turbo in /beta is 1.31, currently version is 1.4 and there are some (claimed) improvements and additions in the newer version.

It builds and installs fine, but when you try to run anything,

Fatal Error: Cannot find object libjpeg.so with version 62.0 in any of the filenames /usr/nekoware/lib/libjpeg.so:/work/pango-1.28.4/pango/.libs/libjpeg.so:/opt/build/pango-1.12.4/pango/.libs/libjpeg.so:/usr/nekoware//lib/libjpeg.so:/usr/people/lwhite/glib-2.26.1/glib/.libs/libjpeg.so:/usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so:/usr/lib32/libjpeg.so:/usr/lib32/internal/libjpeg.so:/lib32/libjpeg.so:/opt/lib32/libjpeg.so:

Okay, this is a known problem, according to the BUILDING.txt the default is v 62.1

By default, {version} is 62.1.0, 7.1.0, or 8.0.2, depending on whether
libjpeg v6b (default), v7, or v8 emulation is enabled.

so set JPEG_LIB_VERSION=62 as an environment variable and try again.

Same result. It's supposed to default to 62 but ? Let's look in libjpeg.la

Ouch. But ...


Hmm. Okay, punt : look at the release notes for the working libjpeg :

./configure '--prefix=/usr/nekoware' --mandir=/usr/nekoware/man 'CC=/usr/bin/c99' 'CFLAGS= -diag_suppress 3649 -diag_error 1035 -DIP32 -DIRIX -O3 -n32 -mips4 -OPT:Olimit=0:roundoff=3 -TARG:platform=IP27:proc=r10000 -L/usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib32 -I/usr/nekoware/include ' 'CPPFLAGS= -diag_suppress 3649 -diag_error 1035 -DIP32 -DIRIX -I/usr/nekoware/include/freetype2 -I/usr/nekoware/include/ -I/usr/nekoware/include/SDL ' 'CXXFLAGS= -ptused -diag_suppress 3649 -diag_error 1035 -DIP32 -DIRIX -O3 -n32 -mips4 -OPT:Olimit=0:roundoff=3 -TARG:platform=IP27:proc=r10000 -I/usr/nekoware/include ' 'CXX=/usr/bin/CC' 'LDFLAGS= -rpath /usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/lib32/mips4 -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib32 -lfastm -lm '

so far so good, configures and builds okay ... then

libjpeg.so.63.0 manually relinked to get the -set_version right:

/usr/bin/ld -n32 -shared .libs/jcapimin.o .libs/jcapistd.o .libs/jccoefct.o .libs/jccolor.o .libs/jcdctmgr.o .libs/jchuff.o .libs/jcinit.o .libs/jcmainct.o .libs/jcmarker.o .libs/jcmaster.o .libs/jcomapi.o .libs/jcparam.o .libs/jcphuff.o .libs/jcprepct.o .libs/jcsample.o .libs/jctrans.o .libs/jdapimin.o .libs/jdapistd.o .libs/jdatadst.o .libs/jdatasrc.o .libs/jdcoefct.o .libs/jdcolor.o .libs/jddctmgr.o .libs/jdhuff.o .libs/jdinput.o .libs/jdmainct.o .libs/jdmarker.o .libs/jdmaster.o .libs/jdmerge.o .libs/jdphuff.o .libs/jdpostct.o .libs/jdsample.o .libs/jdtrans.o .libs/jerror.o .libs/jfdctflt.o .libs/jfdctfst.o .libs/jfdctint.o .libs/jidctflt.o .libs/jidctfst.o .libs/jidctint.o .libs/jidctred.o .libs/jquant1.o .libs/jquant2.o .libs/jutils.o .libs/jmemmgr.o .libs/jmemnobs.o .libs/jaricom.o .libs/jcarith.o .libs/jdarith.o .libs/jsimd_none.o -L/usr/nekoware/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib32 -L/usr/lib32/mips4 -lfastm -lm -lc -soname libjpeg.so.63 -set_version sgi63.0:sgi62.0:63.0:62.0 -update_registry .libs/so_locations -o .libs/libjpeg.so.63.0

"Line length is limited to 1024 characters" (Didn't quote it, sorry)

So, split that command up and ran it in pieces, seemed to work, installed the library okay but running an app against it (in this case Graphics Magick) segfaulted. And so did Pho.

So gmake distcleaned and rebuilt without the manual relinking, segfaults went away but we're back to "cannot find libjpeg" etc etc.

I rooted around in the configure file, it does set the version to 62.1 when apparently my applications are looking for 62.0, but do these minor minor versions cause that ? I thought that within major versions applications were not so picky ?

btw, in case a computer science student who loves MIPS and SGI is looking for a task,

so MIPS supports simd but the gnu assembler does not ...

robespierre wrote: do any of the R10K/R12K/R14K processors actually implement MDMX? I didn't think so. Those were the SGI SIMD extensions, but their implementations (code named H1 and H2) were cancelled in the shakeup that was happening around Itanic.

You guys are correct ... stupid me, believing a computer company

SGI, while pissing away billions of dollars on their way to bankruptcy twice, in 1996 wrote: MIPS MDMX, one of several MIPS Application Specific ExtensionsTM introduced today, is separate from but compatible with MIPS IV and newer instruction sets. The MDMX code features an extended 192-bit accumulator, giving a MIPS processor true on-chip high performance digital signal processing (DSP) capabilities. The high performance DSP capabilities are important for on-chip real-time video decompression, digital audio surround sound (e.g. Dolby AC-3), and data compression (e.g. fax modem). MIPS MDMX code offers twice the DSP efficiency of other SIMD architectures, better memory performance and more efficient register use.

Anyway, beat this around some today, the release notes for both current and beta versions leave something to be desired and canavan's site is inacessible (did he hurt the feelings of the Chinese people ?) ... anyone still have the canavan tardist ? hoping there's some clues in there ...

guardian452 wrote: hammei, my momma was a soccer mom and I was shuffled to and fro in the tiny back seat of her ram-air'ed pontiac trans am. No headrest mounted DVD players for me.

Whoa ! Sally Fields is your mom ? That is cool to the max !

foetz wrote:

thomasrichinger wrote: And I have no plan how to make a multiboot-harddisk, is this possible?

yes but it's not very comfortable.

For an O2, it's about a hundred times easier to use two disks and just switch them around. Disks aren't expensive like they were in 1990 and the tray system makes swapping a breeze.

ivelegacy wrote: my friend wants to sell all his SGI machine in order to buy an O2+, so he wants also to sell his Impact,

I understand the desire but this would be a mistake. An O2 is a dog turd compared to a Barney Box, in almost all respects. I did exactly this and regret it to this day.

uunix wrote: Soccer Mom returns strange google results.

If you think they're bad on boogle, you should meet some in real life

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Soccer_mom

Been a while since I had an O300 but I think it's also possible to change the persistent terminal settings. One reason to do this is if you have a bunch of different equipment, a standard speed is more convenient than trying to remember what each piece uses. Since it's new to you, it could be set to 9600 or something other than 38-4. From Teraterm you can just reset the serial port while it's active, no need to reboot reboot reboot or anything.

uunix wrote: Out of interest, has anyone updated SoftWindows95 to 98?

I found this little program to do that, hope it works for you

updater.c

Okay, got some help from a professional : Using the release notes from the beta version that no one else has bothered to test, it is possible to build a libjpeg-turbo v 1.4. You just need to be smarter than me.

The problem is with the versioning skills of libtool, way over my head but the solution in the release notes should fix the problem.

Tested with graphics magick, pho and a couple other programs, it seems to work very well.

good night and good luck.

sgifanatic wrote: We've gotten used to so much innovation, design, connectivity & interactivity over the last 20 years, it's hard to remember how cool a lot of these things appeared back in '95. The dancing bars in the resource monitor, the 3D video sequences, "wysiwyg" html, the notion of being able to connect with any brand/institution/person simply by typing in a web address... The video would have blown minds at many levels.

vishnu wrote: Unless he's got a hidden bunker deep in the bowels of the MIT AI lab, where he's running Androids and iPhones and Windows 10 ...

but lately he's been spotted with a Twinkie on his breath ?

I have to wonder about youse guys tho ... how can you not love Richard Stallman ? I mean jeeze ...





same forehead, nose, eyes ... I don't know what to say. You guys have no taste ! Richard, you be da man !

And now, since yi wan is the magic number (betcha the emperor had more fun doing 10,000 girls but you take what you can get) it's time to leave the red earth and let someone else have a turn. Via con dios, desperados. If you need something send up some fireworks, I'll be chatting up chang e, trying to get a piece of the slanty stuff.

Anyone want to do some trading ? I'm sick of this worthless fucking piece of shit. It's either get rid of it or throw it out the window (10th floor, bad idea for innoccent bystanders but big pleasure for me.)

Have available one complete O350 w/V12, dual 700's plus another one w/V12 that is almost complete but of course also doesn't work (bad interface board, L1 won't wake up).

I could throw in a fucking useless O2 also but it's not worth shipping.

I have a dual 400 V12 Octane2, would like a 2x600 and another V12 for it. If there's a 2xV12 carrier available, that would be cool.


O350's are garbage. I would suggest avoiding them. Anybody want to hazard a guess as to why SGI went broke ?

uunix wrote: Reverse Psychology Sales Pitch Hamei?

Honesty is the best policy. They are poorly-designed, poorly implemented pieces of garbage but some people want them. I am very tempted to discard the Octane as well and get something that actually works, say a cheap Dell, but have too much invested in software and learning-time to do that. Plus the Octane has been reasonably reliable. The rest of this stuff is just crap. Disgusting worthless crap. May as well run Loonix on it, a partnership made in heaven.

Adrenaline : they aren't tempermental. They are shit. There's a difference. They were designed like shit, so of course they behave like shit. The only question is, why have I been so stubborn for the last couple years ? I should have thrown the stinking turd in the trash the very first time it played braindead.

jan-jaap wrote: I guess I was lucky. I got mine in 2010 and it's been running 24/7 since then with only a single issue ( a PSU failed ).

You never turn it off. All three of the poorly-designed overpriced pieces of crap from SGI fail at startup.

O2 - need we say more ? Red light, orange light, will it go green ? Is it going to boot ? No ? okay, pull the mainboard, move the jumper again , put it back, try again ... red light, orange light, will it go green ? oh yah ! yay ! it did ! Now I can use it again !

I also had an O2 run for almost two years. It was never turned off. But a hard disk died and it never turned on again.

Fuel : first we get the environment monitoring chip that fails. Then we get the V12 that doesn't identify itself so the computer won't pass POST and won't boot because a Fuel will not boot without graphics. Try five or six times and usually the dumbass piece of crap will accidentally see the graphics once and boot yippee ! Better not ever turn it off again. And oh yeah, the "save money" peecee power supply that SGI just had to butcher with their worthless fucking fifty-cent special chip that makes the $25 power supply unreplaceable. Yeah, leave it on forever and it's also fine. Plus let's not forget the failure-prone fifty cent garbage SCSI cable that they just had to fit with an unusual connector so you can't easily replace it. But hey ! it's only a $10,000 computer, we've got to make a proffffiiit somehow !

And then there's the super special O350 from the trusted leader in high performance computing. If you don't keep it powered up, the L1 can and will go south for the winter. Without an L1 it won't start. Ask people who turn them on and off -- they all have this experience, not just me .. what do you do when the L1 doesn't show up ? "Oh, I pull the plug and re-insert it several times, usually it comes back to life eventually." Oh good idea. Maybe I should sacrifice a chicken also ? Too bad I stupidly planned to do a little work today. That and the mechanical idiocy of bolting boards solid to sheet metal at 90* angles, the cheapest crappy connectors you can find that pull off the boards, sheet metal design that was so dumb they had to add access hatches, screws buried under other items or in places that human hands can't reach, and oh yeah did I mention ? It doesn't like to turn on.

I didn't buy this p.o.s. to play Quake. As the official Nekochan Troglodyte, let me just say this : every fucking cheapass computer I've ever owned that did not come from SGI actually turned on when I pushed the button. The Assistant's $500 Netvista from the same period as this O350 actually turns on every single time (It also outperforms the O350 but that's another subject). And in seven years, I've added a larger hard disk and cleaned the fans. That's all. My 4 mhz 286 turned on every time I pushed the start button. Reliably. I can't even depend on this worthless piece of shit to start. And the Fuel before it and the O2 before that.

The so-called engineers working at SGI ? They should have been driving a train. One of the little wooden ones on the wooden tracks because they shouldn't be allowed near electricity.

foetz wrote: only last fall after exactly 20 years of flawless service my extreme gfx bit it and that was the first and only issue i ever had with it. put in another one (thanks to ian) and fine again.
my octanes have been rock solid just as everything that reads ip27 somewhere so all in all at least for the machines i had and knew of i can say reliability has never been an issue.

I never had a speck of trouble with an Indigo, an Indigo2, an Indy and an Octane. The Indy went on train plane and bus rides all over the world, the Octane underwent the gorilla luggage handlers on a plane and went on a train down to Guangzhou where it is still running today.

But O2 is flaky (fu named his "crybaby" for a reason), the Fuel is terrible and the O350 doesn't show me shit. There is no excuse for this crap in a $10,000 computer. None.

btw, ask j-j if his Fuel is running or do a search on nekochan for Tezro L1 failures. There are at least two more that I know of that are not even mentioned here. It's not just me. Like I said, there is absolutely no excuse for this low-level basic stuff to fail. None whatsoever. SGI "engineer" == incompetent chimpanzee.

(Try to clean the SCA backplane on your O350 some day, foetz. You will be using some new words )

guardian452 wrote: People don't do work with finicky old computers anymore or else they will go crazy (viz. the OP )

Ja Or actually, yes and no.

I've had 286, 386, 486, PPro, P-111, P-IV peecees and an Indigo, Indigo2, Indy, Octane, O2, O300, Fuel and this O350. Windows 3.1 could drive you crazy but none of the peecees was unreliable about at least getting through POST. Of the SGI's, all were fine except the O2 is a flake. But the Fuel and O350 are losers. Losers by design.

First the environment monitoring. We'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say "bad batch of chips." But taking a garden variety power supply and butchering it so they could get ten times the price is inexcusable.

The fact that the twelve-cent part they designed and put into that off-the-shelf power supply just so they could rape their customers turned out to be worthless crap is quadruple inexcusable. I won't tell you how many hours I wasted because of that stinking little piece of garbage. It's embarrassing.

Bob and Bozo should be castrated.

The O350 is pretty junky inside. It looks like (and probably was) designed by the lowest-cost recent graduate from Miss Beeler's School for Retarded Children. This was some guy who'd heard about "professional hardware" but all he'd ever seen was a Dell. So what we got was a fricking Dell at Haagen-Dazs prices ($6 for a 4oz cup here, what a ripoff) with Yugo reliability. Be still my heart. With the L1 being essential to the operation of these computers, SGI spent doodly-squat on design or testing. I know of at least four of these boxes with the exact same problem.

Inexcusable.

The "no" part to your statement : all software now will drive a sane person over the brink. But it is possible to use fonky old hardware for work. Pro/E always works for me. Framemaker always works. The web is becoming less and less useful but Netcrap 3.0 always worked. FTP, NFS, all that stuff always works. The things you really need , still work just as well on an Octane as they do on an i7. So the hot-to-go racy latest stuff is nice for the speed but it isn't essential. I type pretty slow anyhow. The Octane always ran. I can live with 700 mhz processors. What I can't live with is a "professional-grade, enterprise-server-quality" box from the "trusted leader in high-performance computing" that refuses to even turn on because the nitwits who designed it should have been playing with plastic shovels in the sandbox.

SGI didn't go broke because of "the Inventor's Dilemna." That's pure Havvad Business School hogwash. They went broke becasue they made and sold crap. The early stuff was good, the late stuff is fatally flawed. If you can't even turn it on, well, hell ...

Let's not even discuss Bob and Bozo's role in this fiasco. Let's just string them up by the balls and splatter their smarmy faces with rotten vegetables.

If we were still running Windows 2000 or even XP, the answer would be ugly but obvious. But now even that option is closed. May as well run Irix on the Octane. The advantages of new hardware are not overcome by the disadvantages of all the ghastly software you have to run to be "current." I'm going to get my mail through iTunes, right. It's shit. It's all just plain old ordinary shit hiding behind high-dollar marketing.

Time to retreat to the nineteenth century.

It is often not enough to have the same model. Even within the same *revision* some vendors will swap out a chip e.g. wifi, audio, etc, which can cause issues. I have a model number A1502 macbook and while the clockspeed or ram amount might be different, all of the other parts within that model are identical.

Dell is not actually a computer company. They are logistics specialists. They buy whatever is on sale that week for the cheapest price, so it is not fair to use Dell as a benchmark for anything but trucking costs. At least with IBM, if it says "Adaptec 2940" then it has an Adaptec 2940.

A lot of vendors such as dell or HP ...

Here, let me correct that for you -- "post-Carly HP ..."

However, apple buys in such large quantities that, if nothing else, such practices would quickly eat into their profits.

No, Dell became king of the hill because of those practices. But there are drawbacks to that approach as well. Especially for hobbyists (but there's only three of them in the entire world now so no big deal.)

The reason for me to endure some of the problems with SGI gear is the same reason I love the older hotrods and muscle cars, style.

But a 70 Challenger or a 68 Mustang or even a Chebby Camaro will turn on every goddamned time you turn the key. The absolutely disgusting crap quality of the late-model extremely expensive SGI's is appalling. If you buy an Hispano-Suiza, you get an Hispano-Suiza. With SGI, you pay for a DM6 but you get a fricking $35 Adaptec.

If you consider a rusted-out 1978 Pontiac station wagon a "classic" then you'll be overjoyed with the O350.

guardian452 wrote: I can guaran-fucking-tee you that none of that stuff comes from IT vendors such as: "nec sx series, superdome, the remains of sun and last but not least the ibm".

Pre-Ginny, that was not true for IBM. They did their own stuff. Now, tho, it's probably sub-sub-sub developed by three indigents in Bombay. Fiduciary responsibility to Ginny and Sam's New House Fund, you know. Plus they have to save up enough to establish their philanthropic funds after they step off the sinking ship.

Time to go drag the Octane out of the closet. Damn, I like the faster p and mem. But if it won't turn on, what's the point ?

chicaneuk wrote: I honestly can't think in the 18 months I've had it, that I've had more than one or two "WTF" moments

The Assistant had her Macbook "upgraded" by the Apple store so she could play the newest Facetime with her friends. Of course she never did that so six months later when we went somewhere and turned it on, we were faced with a login panel that required an Apple ID password. If anyone from the Asshole Store had been there at that moment he'd now be sporting a macbook sideways up his rectum.

We were just so thrilled about this.

I know I'd be very reluctant now to replace this Macbook Air with anything other than another Apple notebook when it starts to get a bit tired.

That says more about the despicable state of computing in general than it does about how great Apple is

GIJoe wrote: keep in mind that the software available on the sgi is at least about 12+ years behind what is out there these days in terms of functionality, performance and UX. that can be quite hard to get accustomed to ('how could we ever work with THIS?'-effect). there's also nothing magical about this platform, it was simply the best option available in the 1990's. the world moved on and surpassed it. so don't expect in 2015 to stumble into a secret fairy land of hardware accelerated CG wonder that somehow can still compete.

In some fields, the software has not advanced in the slightest. Pro/E, for instance, has not added anything useful since Wildfire 2. Since Wildfire 1, really, except for a few fixes. Framemaker, well, if you just have to work with XML I guess 7 and newer are "better" but generally speaking, no. I haven't found a better audio player than MXAudio, which dates to Irix 5.3.

In others, if you need PhotoShop or Illustrator for example, you're screwed.

So it's really a mixed-up situation which depends on exactly what you want to do.

rwengerter wrote: Ok, I ask again: Is anyone in the forum that tried to run Irix binaries on a big endian
Linux/MIPS platform?

That project was the pet of a guy from France who used to be pretty active on Usenet. Maybe some of the French contingent here might have contact info for him ?

Here's another one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SGI-CMN026-Sili ... 1543167450

No excuse for this. That part at least should be bulletproof. Without an L1 you can't do anything .

bushnrvn wrote: Is there any official literature available on IRIX?

Techpubs has most everything you'd ever need. They just don't answer back like here

I get no feedback after the system ready message aside from shutdown notifications when I power off the machine.

I'm guessing you don't have a desktop installed. Not that I've ever done that, you understand, but sounds similar to what an ... errr .. "friend" had happen. Look under /usr/bin/X11 and tell us what you see.

I'm wondering if it would be possible to recreate the necessary X11 configuration on an existing Unix-like machine and export it? Even if I had to manually write out the files?

Not really. Seems easier but in the end, doing it from Irix is the easiest. 4Dwm is its own creature.

bushnrvn wrote: There's quite a bit in that folder.

Yes there is, but the part you are missing is the X server "Xsgi", to be exact ...

IRIX seems to be so...obtuse?

Try Solaris 11, jesus. Oh well, you live with what you gotta live with. Irix is more of a desktop system than other Unixes. If you come to it thinking "server" it's a little weird.

mopar5150 wrote: Nothing is bulletproof.

Fine, but it should be at least whiffle-ball proof. When you drive two blocks to the grocery store, you don't have to fear the engine will erupt in flames (power supply.) Or the wheels will fall off leaving you dragging ass along the road (environment monitoring.) And at least the damn thing is expected to start up.

When you purchase a product from the leader in high-tech computing, you should be able to expect a bare mimum of quality. It's built exactly like a Dell. IBM, HP, Sun all built much better servers and sold them for way less money.

I find it hard to doom an entire model because some develop the same error.

Of the people I am aware of who actually use these things, every one has had this experience. The others were luckier than me and the problem went away (for a while.) But luck !=quality.

Oh wait. Except for jan-jaap. But he leaves his turned on 24/7. I s'pose that's the other option, except what about when the power supply bursts into flames ? Maybe I can fix that, too. Oh goody. Why don't I just learn C, write an operating system and design my own applications while I'm at it ?

In the last several years I have picked up literally dozens of these systems with only one having an L1 issue.

But you have to actually use them and depend on them to come across the problems. I used the Fuel for ten years, daily. Except for the days when it wouldn't run and I was busy hunting for spare parts to get it back in operation. I paid $3500 for that thing. Put my money where my mouth was, shoulda kept it closed. Experience is what you get when everything turns to shit. The software is good. The later hardware is horrid. My Octane was a tank (and probably bullet-proof, too )

I have pulled apart several of these to find corrosion on the back of the main board.

Mine is pretty. No corrosion, no dents, always lived in a non-smoking house. I did swap out the power supply that catches fire and burns the house down tho.

Is a worthless pile of a computer? no Take any bad ass Dell and throw it around, store it out side for two years, ship it 3000 miles poorly packed and then tell me how reliable it is.

Have a Netvista here. Bought used. If you know China then you know that means it was featured in that Samsonite ad. I put a bigger hard disk in it (think the old one is still around somewhere) and I clean the fans once every five years whether it needs it or not. We've had it over seven years and it's never failed to start. Not once.

I have sold and continue to sell the O350s with very little grief.

That's good. They look cute and the numalink thing is trick. If you don't depend on them, the faster processors and memory are great. But if you need to use the computer, it's a no-win situation. A slower computer that works, or one that you have to sacrifice chickens to. Or use Windows (I'll die first). P285 Intellistations don't have dual-head (as far as I can find out) and they are CDE (yuck but ...), HP zx6000 is Itanic which means the binaries for most of my programs are not available, I s'pose a C8000 is one possibility, Apple has no CAD software, wtf is a person supposed to do ? If you say Solaris I'll pee on your leg

It's discouraging.

ClassicHasClass wrote: I see an Xsgi there, it's just not in the right order.

Sharp eyes So it appears that 'single user' mode is not case sensitive ?

vishnu wrote: That's a good point; Xsgi and 4Dwm/toolchest could be running but at a resolution/refresh rate that the monitor can't handle.

Will TOP run in single-user ?

If you have another box running X, you could try to log in remotely. That's a little more comfortable.

ClassicHasClass wrote: Now, if I can just find that VFO to make it run at 1920x1080@60Hz again, this will be unstoppable.

Pfft. You got the dcd, babe. Time to move up to a real monitor

(Don't forget to pick up a spare power supply while you are at it. Eventually you will need it )

foetz wrote: put it behind a router or something

Does anyone not use at least a router these days ? Plus if his "home network is Windows/Android/Linux with about 10 devices" then he's either connecting each box individually one at a time or else something, somewhere is doing routing and at the very least, nat.

guardian452 wrote: ... now there are a large glut of 24"-ish 4K displays with better connectivity options.

Not better for an SGI, however. Two or four DVI connectors is within reason for several SGI models. HDMI, thunderthighs, even dual-link dvi is something of a speed bump for anything from Sillycum Graphics.

It looks possible some day tho, which is nice. Maybe Classy can pave the way on this

foetz wrote: yeah ebay got absolutely awful. which is even more ridiculous given that all ebay has to show is a couple of tables. the current ebay site is a nasty example of how to bloat a page up for no reason at all

You should try taobao About a year ago it was fine but oh no, the children running these nitwit places just have to add jumping bunny rabbits, flashing stars, popup "would you like to super-size that?" crap &c &c ad infinitem.

It really makes you want to slap somebody ....

ClassicHasClass wrote: ... that's with the TenFourFox project being generally well regarded at Mozilla ...

Is that like a thumbs-up from Forrest Gump ?

diegel wrote: Some days ago I used the web without noscript and adblocker with a current system and I was shocked about poor performance and the amount of advertising ...

Try it when 60% of that crap is never going to load because it's blocked by your ISP. There is supposed to be a switch in about:config to change that but at least here, it makes no difference. Flopsy just sits there waiting by the phone ... Sad, really, but also annoying.

ClassicHasClass wrote: Meanwhile, I have an acquaintance who can't fathom ...

He also drives a crew-cab dually with a v-10 Cummins to go to the grocery store for a quart of milk and can't understand why there is a problem with that.

Mom Nature is taking corrective action even as we speak.

GIJoe wrote: 4K at 22 inches seems rather packed. is there some sort of retina-like functionality you'd use this for? sounds like anything like icons and interfaces with hardcoded fonts would be pretty much unreadable?

"retina-like functionality" ?? GAG ME WITH A SPOON !!

Now that I've had my buzzword-revulsion attack, 4Dwm has no problem with the display but Windows sure does. And Loonix. Too bad Irix is not modern It takes about fifteen minutes to adjust everything in Indigo Magic.

In actual use, mia has one that he likes for text because his eyes are good and you can fit a lot on-screen. Otherwise, for a lot of uses, the high resolution is not an advantage. I mean, Thunderbird, who cares ? But for photos and some graphics it's absolutely another world. It's a little bit of a pain in the ass sometimes - for example,a screenshot when shipped to the rest of the world is huge. Or a 1024 x 768 jpeg imported is kinda dinky. Very sharp but dinky.

But for playing with photos off the camera, there's nothing like it. Not on an SGI, anyhow. We don't have thunderthighs, hdmi, any of that crap. And I've noticed that Classy takes photos occasionally, so ...

If someone were to experiment with those dvi-to-whatever adapters and get a current high-res screen working on V12, it'd make a nice addition to the hardware list. A high-res flat panel you could buy in a store would be great.

nongrato wrote: ... "that guy" is just a paranoid.

People are silly. I got the same shtuff when I did our own mail - "It's from Chiiiina !! Hide the women and children, must be spam !"

And if we let vietnam fall to communism then thailand will be next, then the phillipines, then hawaii, then there will be slavering godless minions of evil hiding under our good amurrican beds, just waitng to rape our white women.

Sheesh.

pentium wrote: Yep. ANS = Apple Network Server ... I no longer rock a nice linux box, so ddrescue isn't going to help me here.

Pretty sure there's a ddrescue in nekoware, and I see your sig ....

GIJoe wrote: hmm.... i don't think the interface of anything graphics related will be usable at this kind of resolution. sure, content will look crisp but a photoshop, maya, illustrator, lightroom interface? or anything else that comes with lots of icons or narrow sliders for that matter.

I'll get you a screenshot shortly ... at this moment doing a ground-up rebuild in the vain hope of getting this O350 p.o.s. to be even a little bit reliable. But I can tell you right now, you're mistaken. Indigo Magic sings at high resolutions

Well, hmmmm .... I'm rebuilding the boot disk from the bottom, got all the prereqs installed and fireflop installed without complaint but when I try to start it,

So okay, missed a prereq, went to get it and no 1.2.8 in /beta. Nor in /current. There's a 1.2.5 in /current and a 1.2.5-r1 in /beta on nekochan but not in the dustytech mirror, so installed that but still get this message.

It must be somewhere cuz I had to have it before, been using the flop3 for quite a while. But I can't find it noplace

guardian452 wrote: Even windows is getting fairly decent given the glut of inexpensive hi-dpi laptops and tablets out there. The issue is that it isn't super easy for programmers to implement, so a lot of the lazier ones don't bother (E.g. 3S CodeSys simply gives an error message if you start it with dpi at anything other than 100% ) OSX still has the simplest hi-dpi solution, but it's also the least flexible (either 1x or 2x, and scale up or down from that). So most mac programs support it now, but there is only so much you can do (either ~100 (standard) or ~200 (retina) dpi, if you want it inbetween the GPU must scale the framebuffer; it works well enough but is not totally ideal.

T221 is kind of slick, it scales all by itself, no software needed. Say your kompewter delivers 1920 x 1200, that's one-fourth of 3840x2400 so each big fat low-res pixel becomes four skinny hi-res pixels. All the common resolutions likewise, although some have a band around the perimeter. It has its own frame buffer which refreshes at 48 hz, no matter the input frequency, so it can do tricks like this.

One thing that is super annoying tho, is the plethora of idiots programming in pixels on the web. Haysoos Chuy Kreestos, this is 2015. With all the caterwauling about mooo-durn you'd think the little nitwits could figure out that display-agnosticism is even more important now than when Mr Berners-Lee invented the web. But html displays perfectly, while their groovy current web2 css* displays like crap. "700 pixels wide", can we shoot someone, please ?

* rmb, "View Page Source", ctrl-f, enter "px" in the search box. Yeah, phpbb. You fucking idiots. X has a dpi setting and vector fonts (googlefonts, anyone ?) scale perfectly with points. POINTS, idiots. POINTS.