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foetz wrote: but be careful, most nekoware is gcc and some are not useable for building stuff with mipspro.


Only the old 'archived' Nekoware is gcc. The new stuff is built with MIPSpro.
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foetz wrote: really?
i recall a post that said gcc was made with gcc and glib2/gtk2 provide gcc typical errors when
used with mipspro...


Yes really. I explained this once before ... it does not matter what compiler you use to bootstap gcc. Why? Because the end product is compiled with itself, i.e. gcc is always - (unless you're packaging up the raw stage1 which is a very broken way to go about things) - compiled with gcc in the end (ie. gcc 3.4 built with gcc-3.4). It makes zero difference how you get there, except maybe some sort of inflated ego (and maybe reduced compile time on stage1, but that doesn't change the end result).

Besides, gcc is not a library and your original complaint was regarding link compatibility between gcc and MIPSpro :)

As for glib2/gtk2 as far as I know they are 100% MIPSpro.
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Orakel wrote:
nekonoko wrote: As for glib2/gtk2 as far as I know they are 100% MIPSpro.


(Offtopic)

Didn't you get linking problems at the end of the compilation? What options did you used? Did you apply any patches on the source?


squeen did those, but there should be notes/patches in the tardist as an optional install.
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The GeForce 6800 product page mentions the following:

It is the first card available to support the DVI standard dual link digital signal specification from the two DVI ports it features. This capability is required to drive the new 30-inch LCD, high resolution Apple Cinema HD display. The combination of a GeForce 6800 Ultra with a dual processor Power Mac G5 driving two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays is the definitive tool for the creative professional.


This seems to suggest that something about the actual DVI standard on the ports has changed, not that it requires two ports (you can still hang two of these displays off of one card).

Looking at the DVI FAQ at http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html

WHAT ARE SINGLE AND DUAL LINKS ?

The Digital formats are available in DVI-D Single-Link and Dual-Link as well as DVI-I Single-Link and Dual-Link format connectors. These cables send information using a digital information format called TMDS (transition minimized differential signaling). Single link cables use one TMDS 165Mhz transmitter, while dual links use two. The dual link effectively doubles the power of transmission and provides an increase of speed and signal quality; i.e. a single link 60-Hz LCD can display a resolution of 1920 x 1080, while a dual link can display a resolution of 2048 x 1536.


This suggests that single link DVI doesn't support high resolution signals and hence can't handle the larger resolution display. This is going to be a requirement on the PC side as well as far as I can see based on the above - i.e. not uniquely Mac.
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As Diego mentioned above, the new version requires IRIX 6.5.17+
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dexter1 wrote: Unfortunately, the firefox in /usr/local/firefox/firefox is not a binary but a shell script, so tagging doesn't work. maybe i'll try a "glob" later tonight...


Sure, you can still tag it. Running the tag command just adds the following to the shell script:

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
#Tag 0x100013
#
# The contents of this file are subject to the Netscape Public License
# Version 1.0 (the "NPL"); you may not use this file except in
# compliance with the NPL.  You may obtain a copy of the NPL at
# http://www.mozilla.org/NPL/
...
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nvukovlj wrote: While I respect people trying to build everything with MIPSpro, I still believe that it is not really essential in majority of cases.
OK, libs that are used by other bigger applications (or KDE/GNOME and such), fair enough, as there may be a performance impact, and likewise for certain applications that need as much performance as possible, but majority of apps do not fall into this category.
Trying to compile with MIPSpro can turn out to be an exercise in frustration due to so many gcc-isms that are in much of open source software these days (I believe that some of this code is probably copied from app to app too :) ), and at the end won't give you anything more except perhaps that feeling of major achievement against all odds(that is unless you didn't pull out all of your hair in the process).

Nik.


I agree with this. The important thing in my mind is to get the core libraries built under MIPSpro if at all possible - this allows both MIPSpro and gcc developers to build applications without worrying about library incompatibilities. Now that most of the Nekoware GNOME/KDE infrastructure has been compiled under MIPSpro things should be much easier for all.

In short, if gaim can only be easily built with gcc, let's make a gcc based tardist and add it to the collection.
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Fantastic, I'll give the CVS version a try this weekend!
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dexter1 wrote:
Beer is in the mail, Pete :P


I should be buying the beer for all this hard work. Incredible job guys - I can't wait to give it a try.

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BadMatch errors are usually attributed to SGI Freeware FAQ4.3:

http://freeware.sgi.com/faq.html#Q4.3

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I should give him a shout in a couple of weeks and see if he has any Origin 200 upgrades - I'd love to go to 225 or 270MHz on the webserver.
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ZoontF wrote:
Given the previous reply, I did try setting my Xsgi settings differently - then I messed with some other stuff, decided to reboot (I had been using chkconfigs as well), and on reboot, it won't get to the login screen.


This generally happens if the Xservers entry contains a carriage return someplace in the middle of the line - it needs to be one line only with "-depth 24 -class TrueColor" added to the end of the existing line.

BadMatch errors are visual depth/colordepth mismatch errors - so I'd check that out first.

Quote:
BadMatch errors occur when only specific values are acceptable, but another value is provided. The valid values may be a small set of enumerated integers or they may be a relation between other arguments, e.g., a graphics context in a drawing request must have the same depth as the drawing window. There is rarely more than one possible BadMatch error for any particular request type, so identifying the problem is usually straight forward. In my experience, most BadMatch errors are related to drawable depths. Make sure your windows, pixmaps, visual types, colormaps, etc. have the correct depths in your X requests.


http://www.rahul.net/kenton/perrors.html

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Looks like this was fixed in PHP 5.0.1 - which is out now.

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vegac wrote: Maybe I'll have to get one of these cards for my O2, and a DV cam and see what I can whip up...

After all, that PCI slot in my O2 needs to have SOMETHING in there...either going to be this or gigabit :P


Are there even gigagbit drivers for O2? There is a little tiny 2496 byte file called if_eg2.o that is the closest thing I can find name wise, but it doesn't seem to have a reference to any known PCI IDs that I can see (or text strings for that matter), plus it's awfully small ...

Edit: Looks like no to O2 gigabit drivers .
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In the same area you downloaded sodipodi you'll also find gimp-2.0.2.
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Considering the Indigo2 already has an internal CD-ROM bay this would be kind of a strange thing for SGI to offer. But even if they did I'm sure they would have put their logo/name on it.

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Any modern SCSI hard drive will work in an Indigo2 with the proper adapter. The sky's the limit.
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That's not something that can ever run on IRIX. WINE stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator". It's a project that attempts to supply an open source API framework that allows native x86 Windows binaries to run on native x86 hardware without the actual presence of Windows.

The problem is that you can never run x86 binaries on MIPS hardware *without* emulation, hence WINE can never work on any non-x86 architecture in the manner you expect. There have been mumblings concerning building a new project that combines a WINE-like architecture with an x86 emulation layer but nothing actually exists at this point.
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I rarely drink except socially around holidays, but even then I stick with beer - Guinness being my favorite.
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Dubhthach wrote: One way to spot an irish person abroad - they are always complaining about the quality of the Guinness :lol:


I've had Guinness in both Ireland and Denmark actually :) I think it got a lot better when they started adding that "rocket widget" to the bottles/cans.
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shyouko wrote: Are you talking about the project "Darwine" which combines WINE with a x86 CPU emulator? (Opps, I have forgotten the name of the emulator.)


Yes, though Darwine is for Mac OS X only at this point (and doesn't really work yet). A similar approach could enable WINE to work on IRIX but it's still quite a ways off.

I recommend taking a look at SoftWindows 95; it has reasonably fast emulation and will run basic Win32 binaries. SoftWindows 95 originally shipped with O2 (maybe Octane as well) as part of the IRIX package so it's pretty easy to find - it's on the Applications CD on older distributions; i.e. IRIX 6.3 Applications November 1996 813-0599-002 or by itself as Insignia SoftWindows 95 4.0 for IRIX 6.3 and 6.4 812-0690-001 . Newer Applications CDs such as IRIX 6.3 Applications August 1997 813-0599-003 no longer include a copy so watch out for that.
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shyouko wrote: I know nothing about those IRIX stuff but I wonder if Bochs + ReactOS would work as well as SoftWindows 95?


You can pretty easily try it and see. I've found Bochs to be painfully slow - on MIPS at least - but a version is available on SGI Freeware:

http://freeware.sgi.com/Dist/fw_bochs-2.0.tardist
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Yeah, that's another problem with something like Bochs - it's kind of a closed box so it's difficult to get files in/out of it. With SoftWindows it's pretty much drag/drop between IRIX/Windows if I remember right - I haven't used it in a while. I uploaded an old screenshot to the gallery that shows it running Solitaire.
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I fired up SoftWindows again last night and poked around with it a bit - it's actually not too bad as far as GUI responsiveness goes. Another nice feature - it mounts your home directory as a network drive so you can load/save files right on your XFS filesystem. It also shares your system IP without impacting IRIX. It's a shame they didn't develop it past Windows 95 support as it had a lot going for it - lots of similarities to VirtualPC on the Macintosh.

Another popular alternative if you have access to a Windows 2000/XP box locally or remotely is to run Windows Terminal Server and connect to it via rdesktop. The home page for the project:

http://www.rdesktop.org

I even built a package for it a while back (though I do need to update it for Nekoware one of these days):

http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/downloads/contr ... .0.tardist
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I decided to post something to explain what "nekochan" actually means. I've received e-mail where it's assumed my real name is "Neko Chan" (maybe assuming it's something akin to Jackie Chan).

"Neko" (猫) is Japanese for "cat". It can also be a female given name, but it's not as common. "-chan" (ちゃん) is an honorific, probably best explained by the following entry on http://anime.mikomi.org/wiki/HonorificsExplained

-chan
This is a more intimate honorific and has a more feminine aspect to it. The -chan honorific is used by adults addressing young children, girls addressing girls, boys addressing girls, & girls (and sometimes boys) addressing pets. Sometimes a girl may address a guy with the -chan honorific as a sign of affection. Outside of that, guys generally do not like being addressed with the -chan honorific.

In high school, girls may start being addressed with the -san honorific instead of -chan, though close friends may continue to address each other with -chan. It is also my understanding that women may continue using the -chan honorific if they've known the other women since childhood.


So neko-chan is something one might use to address a cat when unsure of it's name.

Anyway, this is also why the current banner character has "nekomimi" (猫耳) (cat's ears). :)
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Geez this thread got scary.
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Diego wrote: Now... what's supposed means "Noko"? :roll:


Hmm, I thought I already posted that but I can't find it.

otoko no ko = boy
onna no ko = girl

koneko = kitten

Hence:

neko no ko = catkid (play on words, also the title of an art book by Kazuhiko Tsuzuki)

I went with it because it's kind of neat and it was easier to register on IRC/websites/e-mail since "Neko" is usually snapped up pretty quick. It's still kind of popular though and I'm not always first on the scene (couldn't get a Gmail account with it).

chervarium wrote: Isn't it more like "I think porn is inappropriate" or "Porn is bad for you" said in some kind of polite way?


Pretty much - "ecchi" is just the letter "H" spelled out in katakana which started as an abbreviation for hentai - though ecchi is now considered a bit less severe and normally just means indecent or lewd.

The quote is Mahoro from the anime Mahoromatic - she yells it all the time during the series.
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nekonoko wrote: I went with it because it's kind of neat and it was easier to register on IRC/websites/e-mail since "Neko" is usually snapped up pretty quick. It's still kind of popular though and I'm not always first on the scene (couldn't get a Gmail account with it).


And I just realized I can't even remember what I used to open that Gmail account. Crap :(
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blackcube wrote: Check your PM's Neko.


Thanks - I just got back from holiday and saw your note. For the record - (in case I forget again) it's "sgi.nekochan" :)
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zizban wrote: Fire up software manager and point it to http://freeware.sgi.com/Inst/ to see all the goodies you can download.

There is also Nekoware, which is more up to date but you need to have least 6.5.21m to run (I think).


The original poster mentions installing IRIX 6.3 so nearly all of SGI Freeware won't work. 6.3's Software Manager doesn't support web installs either. The May 2001 edition is the last for 6.3:

http://freeware.sgi.com/fw-6.2/
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More here ...

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I've posted this on the news page. Thanks!
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You bet - grab the BuffyGTK (GTK1 Motif look-alike theme) tardist here:

http://www.nekochan.net/downloads/nekon ... fy.tardist

More here:

http://www.nekochan.net/weblog/archives/000010.html

It should probably be repackaged as Nekoware (that tardist is OLD) but it works :)

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Whoops, didn't see that you were aware of Buffy already - sorry about that - I'm in too much of a hurry this morning. Oh well, gave me a chance to correct the download link on that article :)

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It does look like a kitchen appliance :)
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I'm still using the old SETI@Home 3.08 mips4 client here and have no problems getting fresh work units (I just processed one from 24th Dec 2004 for example). No reason to use BOINC until they drop support for the old client which just hasn't happened yet.
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I'm going to try and get a couple of SD-M1401's for my O2s. From what I've read it should be possible to remove the stock bezel and replace it with the O2 bezel to get a seamless look. Hopefully I'll know more soon :)
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kshuff wrote: I had an O2 that came to me that way. It was packed in a box, no bubble wrap, and the idiot used newspaper as the filler material.


I once received an O2 shipped in a meatball box (!) wrapped in newspaper. Fortunately only the tophat retaining clip broke. I was able to find it in the box and glue it back together.
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So why is he even trying to sell this thing anyway? To make some kind of statement? No one's going to pay a cent for that let alone shipping.
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Just an FYI that a seller called 'my-auction-genie' is selling quite a few grey Toshiba SD-M1401 drives pulled from Sun Enterprise 250s on eBay. I've won one so far and hopefully will get one more. No idea how reliable this seller is - so far I haven't received PayPal payment instructions on the drive I won yesterday.
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