The collected works of vishnu - Page 32

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: Another thing, if firefox sits at youtube for a while, not watching any videos and not having it as the active window, if you go back to that window, it takes like a minute to become responsive. What the heck is up with that? It's been doing that for years. Chromium does not do that. I'll be sticking with Chromium for the foreseeable future it seems.

Firefox is a piece of shit written by whores. Currently, I have a whole bunch of domains dumped to a mini-http-server that returns a 404 immediately, instead of waiting forever. That seems to be a help.

I think there are still a few good people left working on the mozilla codebase, Dan Mosedale for example. At least I think he's still working on it. I could be wrong. I was wrong once, I remember it...

hamei wrote: There is no good browser out there

On a more pleasant note, I just read that faceblob is scared to death. 95% of their income comes from unwanted advertising, 78% of it on mobiles, and the Apple Store just started selling ad-blockers

To quote Mrs Lovett, "Die ! Die ! God in heaven -- die !"

What I don't get is who are all these morons clicking on those ads and thus fueling the faceblech economy?

If you've taken it mostly apart, try putting it back together and see what happens! Sometimes the drive platters get stuck and you can free them by tapping the cover of the drive gently when you power it up. I use a dial caliper to tap it with since I know the caliper is both touchy and valuable it prevents me from wanging on the thing. Also, did you check if your serial cable is a null modem cable? There's still a possibility it might be throwing something out over the serial port before it freezes. Disclaimer wise I've never owned an O2. We had them at work but I never admined them I was naught but a luser....

toasty wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if you want to get console output/access from the O2 you have to plug the null modem cable to the serial 1 port. Not serial 2.

Yes, serial 1. I assumed for no good reason that chemdream knew that...

Speaking of Lightwave, they used it for pretty much all the special effects in Battlestar Galactica: Razor, they said in the DVD commentary that they knew Maya `would have been better` (I'm paraphrasing) but they `didn't have time.` Anyway, if you've ever seen Razor, it turned out very well. We've got Lightwave at work but I've never used it. Maya users are all too familiar with how it eats up time...

rosehillbob wrote: What this means right now people are basically running an updated version of our MipsPro compiler under MIPS Linux!
I think we should get the compiler working back under SGI!

Uh, so would that be this? Link: https://github.com/penberg/linux-kvm/tree/master/tools/kvm

Looks like it's got a long way to go to be a replacement for MIPSPro.

Update-wise I did some more hacking on Maxwell and got it to where it compiles, but their goofy-ass build system doesn't create the executable until you do "make install," at which point it fails miserably on some kind of weird dependency check. Still hacking...

If you want to model on sgi and render on Intel a good choice would be Renderman. The non-commercial version is free: http://renderman.pixar.com/view/non-commercial-renderman

Disclaimer: I have not used it, I do my renders with Mental Ray on IRIX.

That sucks, those things were designed specifically for the purpose of being used on the battlefield and taking untoward beatings. Yet another SAIC product that failed to hit the mark.

Krokodil wrote: just don't feel that my IRIX boxes should be on the internet.

But if they're behind a NATing firewall are they really on the Internet? I think there's a big difference between being on the Internet and being able to get to the Internet. In the 8 years since I've had IRIX boxes on my LAN, and knowing of my firewall as the Internet gateway, I've never had a problem. I hasten to add that not knowing of any problems doesn't mean there aren't any problems. For all we know the NSA could be sitting inside all our computers. Although, if they were inside mine, why haven't I been cuffed and stuffed yet? "Guilty of every computer crime we have a law for..."

Krokodil wrote: I know they're not directly facing the internet, but the browsers and applications like java are stone age and questionable in todays wild west internet.

I concur with that sentiment, I don't use any Internet software on any of my sgi's. But I know a lot of folks here have been using firefox 3 on their sgi's with no apparent problem.

Krokodil wrote: Guilty of every computer crime, eh? lol.
If the NSA is in your computer the reason you haven't been busted is because they don't consider whatever your doing enough to justify blowing their secrecy. But every roadblock you put up against these jerks makes their job that much harder and makes them spend more money on it, it may even force them to risk exposing themselves - like breaking into your house and getting caught.

Nah, this is the Land of the Free, they'd get some idiot judge to sign a warrant and then they'd show up in an armored personnel carrier, shoot tear gas canisters through my windows, use a robotic battering ram to knock down my door, throw in a dozen flash bang grenades, rush in wearing body armored ninja suits wielding m4 carbines with the safeties off, most likely shoot me fifty or sixty times and then hold a press conference to tell the world what a huge favor they've done them...

diegel wrote: I am still running Irix systems on the Internet. This are private projects, like the nekoware mirror and I had never problems with it. Our company used around the year 2000 a Challenge S as a secondary nameserver. This server was located at another Internet service provider (for free) and we simply forget this server. When this company moved the location some years ago, they asked us if we still using this server. So we got it back and examined it, it was running Irix 6.2 and never get hacked after 10 years running without any administration.

So wait, by decree of the IETF every domain name has to have at least two nameservers, with different IP addresses, serving the domain. So did you guys forget about that nameserver or just not worry about it since it was working? Cuz otherwise I don't see how you could actually literally forget about one of your nameservers, unless you had dozens, which admittedly the big providers do...

Yet another update; after what can only be immodestly described as a monumental effort, I have finally prodded Maxwell into compiling and running on my Linux box. On my Octane, it's not quite there yet. I think it's close but I could be fooling myself, everything compiles but the link fails. In my defense, this is a really really weird build system. They init automake but it's not used, which I didn't think the auto tools even allowed. They probably shouldn't. For those who may not recall here's the six page tale of woe from when our close knit little community last tried to crack this nut in 2013:

http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16727644&

Not recommended reading.

Here's a screenshot, it's screaming to the four winds about the fonts but from what I can see on the net that's a known problem with fixes that have been posted, just haven't had time to look into that yet:

jimmer wrote:

vishnu wrote: I have finally prodded Maxwell into compiling and running on my Linux box.

3x Cheer.

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: yet another update; after what can only be immodestly described as a monumental effort, I have finally prodded Maxwell into compiling and running ...

Woo Hoo ! Let's go get drunk ! Can't believe it. That's el-coolio, Mr Vish. Congrats !!

Thanks for the pos reinf guys but unfortunately it's only crashware at the mo, pretty sure it's because of the font issue so should be an easy fix, however the workday called so I"m away from Ice Station Zebra but will be back at it again come the wee hours. We need a vampire smiley...

Maxwell on IRIX update, still working the issue, still not getting past the final link failure for reasons that are utterly defying me. Not giving up though, come hell or high water I'll eventually crack this bitch...

That's a real limit, the SPARC IIIi onboard memory controller doesn't have the pins to address beyond 8GB, the 16GB max for an Ultra 45 is with two CPUs, each of which takes care of 8GB. Yeah, SPARC is weird...

diegel wrote: irst of all we are using more than one secondary and we are spreading this over more than one network provider. And of course we first moved the service to more modern hardware before we forget this server.

Oh, the joys, of a life in IT. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.sysadmin.recovery

ivelegacy wrote: My girl friend was dressed like Lamu...

Pic or I say it never happened!

But if you do an image search for "yuriko tiger" there's not a single pic of her wearing anything even remotely approaching tiger stipes...

If you're at all handy with solder and wire you should be able to tap off the voltage you need from the power supply...

Maxwell on IRIX redux: I solved the link problem and now it runs, it gets past the splashscreen and opens the main editor indow, but doing file->open crashes it with a bus error. So ironically hamei's "how do you diagnose a bus error" thread now becomes relevant.

Run it in the debugger and the debugger says "stopped at ["fgetc.c":21, 0x0fa68bf8]", grep of the source shows fgetc is called in 15 locations, sigh...

hamei wrote: Take a page from dextrose and show us wooden-hammer kids how

I saw that, the man is a legend!

hamei wrote: I have a few link problems sitting on the back burner, I hate it when you finally get everything to build, then it refuses to link

Those link errors stopped me for days...

Wow, that is very nice!

Except, since I have Orcad 16 at work I'll probably never use it...

Got it running and can create files and save them but it crashes immediately after saving; highly non-optimal!

But I've spent a lot of time hacking through the codebase and I have to say it is way above the level of your usual attention deficit disorder hackerware:

ivelegacy wrote: The (the compiler is now a she) will be pedantic in teaching MISRA more strictly than MISRA-2004...

With gcc, just switch in -pedantic and you're already covered! Actually -pedantic -Wall -W are what you want. With MIPSPro, -fullwarn is supposed to do that but the IRIX system headers are so far out of compliance with the standard that MIPSPro supports that you're basically making the compiler do a ton of extra work to show you bads that you can't fix anyway. Unless you've got access to the IRIX source code. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Oh come on dude, tell me what useful/practical avionics software is ever going to need to run on hundreds or thousands of cores? If there's a plane that needs that I don't want to fly on it. And pthreads has offered effective mutexes since forever. The Linux SMP code (which for the most part was written by sgi programmers) has been running the world's largest supercomputers for years. Which isn't to say there aren't improvements to be made, so yeah, you should do that. But let's stick to the community pledge of "no forky"...

I think ivelegacy works for Lamborghini...

jirka wrote: Thank you very much for your effort! It looks very nice!

Thanks, but unfortunately this thing is horrible crashware even with the font problem fixed...

I do it just a tad differently, I use both gnu ls and gnu dircolors, and I put it in my ~/.profile so it's always in effect:

jodys wrote: question related to compiling with debug ('-g') turned on. How do you know if a given binary was compiled with '-g'?

The file command will tell you; file binaryname and it will say either stripped or not stripped.

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: ... this thing is horrible crashware ...

What, does it roll over an internal ten-day clock ? "Source file is newer than the executable" ? This thing dates from 1937, right ?

Ha, no 1999! But someone was hacking the source as recently as 2013, in the readme it says "This is a slightly corrected version of the above-mentioned source release. There were missing directories, code errors, and other assorted hiccups. There are still many errors but at least some of the most obvious ones are conditionally corrected. Hugo Chavez, A Better Place, May 2013"

I suspect Hugo Chavez is a nom de plume.

And the warning is just because I had done some hacking on the source code that I hadn't compiled yet when I ran that debug session. Nice feature that the debugger points that out.

hamei wrote: You'll beat its ass, vish, I'm sure

I dunno, the bitrot in this thing is deep, every time I squash a crash bug a new one pops up to take it's place, I'm finding it hard to believe anyone ever had this thing running right...

hamei wrote: There is the true value of open source ... some day, maybe someone can fix the p.o.s.

I'm honestly a bit shocked it's this crashprone, has that much changed since 1999?

hamei wrote: It's still less work than writing a completely new word processor from scratch, yes ?

Oh no doubt, this was written by pros with the intent of creating a commercial product, it's 313 C++ files and 436 header files with 83 makefiles, anything but a quick hack. I suspect the authors gave up when Sun open sourced Star Office into Open Office. That had to have sucked for them...

Nice work foetz, thanks! This is a nice reminder of how far along things actually were 20 years ago...

IMAP is weird. But then again so was the guy that created it...

robespierre wrote: If you use tcsh, it has a built-in colorized ls (the actual command is ls-F, but you can assign aliases to it). I think bash does too.

Well I use bash exclusively and the only way I was able to see color ls on any of my Suns or SGI's was by using the GNU ls and dircolors on them, as I detailed above. Also, on my Octane doing man sh | grep-i color gives nothing...

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: IMAP is weird. But then again so was the guy that created it...

A man who hates dogs and kicks children can't be all baaaad ... "He became the principal developer of the TOPS-20 mailsystem, and reportedly was still running TOPS-20 systems at his residence in 2009"

The author of the Courier mail transport agent has some very enlightening things to say about IMAP in general and it's author (may he rest in peace) in particular: http://www.courier-mta.org/fud/

You've got a $10,000 smoke system but you don't have a camera with a flash unit?

Seriously though, very cool!

Hopefully I'll have some time this winter to finally debug my long-ailing VBOB.

On my Octane, if I do man tcsh | grep -i color it says "George Hartzell, MCD Biology, University of Colorado-Boulder, 1988"

Sayonara...

dexter1 wrote: Vishnu, can you specify where you got the source from? I have found two archives on the internet: a maxwellwp.tar.gz and a maxwell-0.5.3-src.tar.gz
Both archives require substantial reworking for dependency entries in directories, amongst other things. I'm curious if we can get this running without too much hacking. You've already spent a lot of work on it and i think you are close to a working program. I have read through the old Maxwell thread, a true enjoyment for a software hacker

Actually I'm working from the source that hamei got us started on two years ago, I'm not sure where he got his starting copy. But thanks for showing an interest I will upload a copy but I can't until Monday because I am in Colorado skiing with my brother (he lives in the mountains above Silverthorne). I have made a crapton of changes, not just to the source but to configure.ac and the makefiles-dot-ins in the build directory. One thing you have to do if you're working from the tarball you can get currently at sourceforge, you have to run autoheader before running configure, that takes care of moving the include files where they need to be for their very weird build system. It does not compile the include files from where they live in the source tree, it makes copies of them in the include directory at the top of the source tree and compiles them from there.

Recently a thread discussing a current world event was locked, I understand that the forum terms of service preclude discussion of politics, but I don't think that should include world events. Do the moderators have a forum, that regular users can't see, where they can discuss these issues and come to a consensus or are locking decisions made unilaterally by individual moderators per their understanding of the TOS? Enquiring minds want to know!

Thanks for the clarification, you make many good points, I'm not sure I agree with all of them but Pete trusts your judgment and that's what counts. I think our membership does a very good job of staying on topic in the technical forums, but there should be a certain leeway allowed in "everything else," I for one am very interested in our memberships opinions on world events, however bombastic...