The collected works of vishnu - Page 20

I looked at the the configure script; it checks to see if the OS is IRIX and if it is it defines IS_IRIX, which is checked for in exactly one c file in the src directory, to do some IRIX specific strlen handling. Also, the only gcc-ism it adds is to pass -Wall if the compiler is gcc, so I'm not sure where those ones you pasted in above are coming from...

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: I looked at the the configure script ... Also, the only gcc-ism it adds is to pass -Wall if the compiler is gcc, so I'm not sure where those ones you pasted in above are coming from ...

Are you sitting down ? they are in the Makefiles.

He's got some weird stuff in those Makefile.am's,

hamei wrote: The good part is, I'm getting used to this vertical mouse. Don't exactly like it but it may be better for the hand health and it isn't sooo bad to steer (buttons are nice, steering is a little cumbersome) ...

I've got one of those but I haven't touched it in years. I mouse 50 percent left 50 percent right with a standard 3-button mouse. By dividing my mousing In an attempt to prevent injury to one hand I've only manged to hurt both hands...

55cancri wrote:

vishnu wrote: 55cancri, what's your SGI? As I mentioned above Adobe Premiere supposedly runs on non-VPro equipped SGIs, and surely that's a million times better than slugging it out with moviemaker...

I have an MXE Impact with TRAM.

Premier is definitely an option for you then...

Firefox is slow because XUL is an interpreted language and the interpreter is s l o w . . .

I hadn't heard that about GTK being slow because of needing X extensions, are those extensions hard to build on IRIX? I've never tried to compile an X extension before, but according to jwz in the X Windows Disaster chapter of the Unix Haters Handbook, chewing on broken glass might be a better use of your time.

Browser-wise I've got a side project to get a 3+ version of Dillo going on IRIX.

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: I remember there was a guy on ebay selling Octane Personal Video Option boards with instructions for getting them to work on Octane2s ...

I thought the Personal Video only worked on Mardi Gras graphics ? I know it has those three ribbon cable connections to the MXE, which don't exist on VPro ... the Octane Compression card supposedly does work with VPro, tho. Have one but never installed it so I can't say from personal experience ...

Yeah I remember the instructions for getting those ribbon cables to talk to the VPro were decidely non-trivial.

For a short time ICS did market a Linux variant of Viewkit in the 90s. As far as I know I'm the only person that bought one. Too bad because it really is an outstanding application development framework. I think, but am not sure, that Eric Masson (of 5Dwm) has the source code, but I don't think SGI ever let him release anything but binaries...

ClassicHasClass wrote: XUL is actually pretty efficient as far as markup goes, even without a true native widget toolkit.

I don't know, libxul in Firefox 31 is amost 60 megabytes, even for the crazy-ass up-is-down world of mozilla that seems a bit out there. The best part of mozilla AFAICT is NSPR, the Netscape Portable Runtime, and that was pretty much feature complete when Netscape dumped the mozilla project onto the unsuspecting Internet in April 1998...

Looks like ProPack through version 5 is no longer a free download, all the ProPack directories have been emptied: ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/sgi_propack/download/

You guys and your alternative browsers. Don't you know the NSA is keeping special track of you?

I remember when mozilla decided to create their own cross platform toolkit, they said that by that point in their history it was taking two engineers two weeks to add "a button" to the user interface across all the platforms they were then supporting. The XfeWidget library that Ramiro Estrugo wrote to make their Motif-based Unix interface look just like Windows and Mac was impressive. And as far as I know no one else is using that library for anything. Of course, it's been reinvented by a bunch of other vendors. PTC is still using their own hacked version of Motif for Pro/Engineer, and it's pixel by pixel equivalent to the way their Windows version looks. Welcome to the Not Invented Here contest, step right this way and kick the dead horse right in the colorwheel...

TeamBlackFox wrote: Yeah I avoid GPL when reasonable alternatives exist. If I had to choose between IRIX GPL or closed I'd choose closed.

This is the way SGI typically protected the source code that they made available to the world at large:

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: PTC is still using their own hacked version of Motif for Pro/Engineer, and it's pixel by pixel equivalent to the way their Windows version looks.

Really ? Are they trying for first place in the stupidity contest or something ? I stopped at Wildfire 2, as that was the last one for Irix. And it's 64-bit, too, ugh, but you gotta take what you can get ...

Keep in mind that the only platform Pro/E existed on for years was SGI, for the simple reason that no one else built computers that could do what SGI's did. And in those days there were no alternative toolkits, except maybe Athena (and that's a big maybe), other than that it was Motif or nothing...

hamei wrote: I do like the way that the interface is totally configurable. You can put whatever you want wherever you want, and every user can arrange all the parts to suit themself. And it's a simple manually-edited text file, not some steenking xml shit.

The newer interfaces have gone towards a more Windows-ish paradigm but at least, starting from a Motif beginning the program is straightforward to customize. If it had started life as a Windows program I fear we'd have got : "This is how it is, if you don't like it go start your own company. And by the way, don't try to use lines or arcs, we have those patented."

Maya is the same story, got it's start on SGI's, used Motif from the very first day, and is infinitely configurable. You know what they say though, 90 percent of users don't customize and use less than 10 percent of the products features. Then again, I don't think the professionals who use Maya or Pro on a daily basis fit the category of your average user. I know I don't...

Pro did get more Windows-ish in an attempt to compete with their lower-end rivals like Solidworks. It backfired though in that people said "well Pro is just like Solidworks so might as well buy Solidworks instead and save a bundle." The dreaded marketing double cross - when your stategy does the exact opposite of what it was intended to do...

webweave, that sounds eminently cool what happened that you got out of that business?

cb88 wrote: ...Currently I'm having a go at updating Gentoo/Sparc32 to run on my sparcstations http://gh0stwriter.net/getoo/ .

Dude, you typoed that link, you meant http://gh0stwriter.net/gentoo/ , sheesh!

For what it's worth I own a sparc too, a Blade 2500, but I've been through a bunch of them at work, starting with an Ultra 60 which I got after they took my Indy2 away (reverse evolution). My sparc runs Solaris 10 though, since, as we say on the Slackware forums, gentoo is an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me."

Gotta admit that Saudi Arabia is nowhere near the top of my "must visit" list but that's an amazing story, how much time did you end up spending in "The Kingdom"? Is it really true that there's absolutely no chance of ever getting your hand on a drink there?

I've spent long years of my life on travel, mostly to remote test ranges like Dugway and San Nicholas Island, although I spent a year testing at Eglin Air Force Base (in the Florida panhandle) and that was fabulous. Been to Israel a few times, we were working with their Soreq Nuclear Research Center on <blah blah redacted>, visited the Red Sea but never dove in it. We're too boring for diving. We look for golf courses...

If you do `make dist` from the top of the source tree it should rebuild the whole package into a cross platform tar.gz and excise all the GNU-isms from the makefiles. I say "should" because not everyone uses the auto tools the way they're intended...

jpstewart wrote: It would appear that Netsurf doesn't use autotools at all. They've got their own build system,

Ha ha, I should have looked!

jpstewart wrote: It seems to assume GNU make and GNU install, for example.

Hence the makefile errors, GNU only thinks "embrace and extend" is evil when Micro$oft does it...

Where did you get an IRIX version of libtorrent? As far as I can tell there isn't one in /current...

Give -vo x11 a try?

Them boys is drive punchers alright. Whatcha gon' do with it once you've got it running to perfection?

My scanner's hooked up to a circa-1990 Pentium 90 running WinNT 4.0 service pack 6, for the simple reason that I found HP's color correction software to be way better than anything in SANE or the Gimp, but then last time I checked was probably over 10 years ago, so they've probably caught up by now...

Deluxe!

What happened to your spacebar?

If ShadeOfBlue is right and GCC code generation for MIPS is really finally fixed maybe it's time to drop MIPSPro from the nekoware tardist FAQ in favor of GCC 4.7+ (heresy heresy!).

The V8 does have more memory, okay, a lot more, but it suffers from the infamous pixel clock design error and the V10's geometry engine is twice as fast as the V8...

I fished a brand spankin' new HP DT528AL keyboard out of the electronics scrap bin at work last week. Admittedly I had to sort through a lot of completely trashed ones to find it, but every time they toss out another batch there's always at least one untouched beauty in the mix...

Nice!

I assume your route through Minnesota didn't include my home burgh of Minneapolis or you'd have stopped by to grab a few compute cycles from my Octane...

Did you see any live moose? Zat you next to the metal one?

jpstewart wrote: hopefully that means I can spend more time looking for the actual problem.

What's it do when you try to launch it, hanging or segfaulting? Because if it's hanging strace should show you where and if it's segfaulting the debugger should do likewise (provided you compiled it with -g passed to the compiler). Hmmmm, I just checked and neither strace or gdb are in nekoware! I'm sure Prodev Workshop has a tracer but I have extreme doubt about whether it will understand crap about gcc compiled code...

They're easy to take out and take apart, I take mine apart at least once a year to blow the dust out and check for brown areas where a part might be getting too hot, so I'd say take it out, blow the dust out, take a good look at it and if nothing seems obvious put it back in and try it again.

Also, the on/off switches on the Octane are notoriously prone to failure, so you probably want to have a look at that as well. Let us know what happens...

The Prodev debugger is awesome, and so much prettier than the eyesore that is xxgdb. Then again for gdb there's always ddd which looks pretty dang fancy as well...

guardian452 wrote: Not so much the switch IME, but the plastic button on the bezel that pushes the switch, tends to get stuck.

Yeah the one on mine is totally borked, it's a struggle every time I turn it on, and I never try to turn it off with the switch anymore, I use shutdown -p -y in /etc.

Wow that's a beaut! I've got one just like it that I still use for running PV Wave ...

I've got PS 3.0 on my Octane (and Illustrator 5.5 and Premiere 4.2) and it is still eminently useful as an image editor. For simply viewing images I much prefer xv, it loads 10 times faster than PS and for all that is still a pretty respectable image editor...

Holy cha- ching!

Caveat emptor - venditor...

Thing of beauty!

Did you have to do anything funky with your Octane's vof file to get it to display to your flatscreen?

There's an article in the wiki that points to two of the dreaded pixel clock threads that pretty much hash it all out (that you may have already seen), link: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/V6/V8_Pixel_Clock_Issues

TeamBlackFox wrote: Cinenate35: from what I know most of the people that made SGI any good are gone. The company is essentially Rackable wearing SGI's corpse

The exodus started in 1994 when Jim Clarke (i.e. the founder ) saw the handwriting on the wall and exited, stage left...

This part looks pretty telling:

recondas wrote:

mopar5150 wrote: I picked this system up a while back and finally got it powered up. It will see the GN brick and drive the display when I use just the base O350 and the GN, but when I plug in the router and other machines I lose the Display.

How many of each type of module and how are they interconnected to each other, the L2 and the router(s)?

Ya mean ya can't tell that just from looking at the photo?

A very rare bird indeed, I'm totally jealous...