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dexter1 wrote:

Check the Mozilla tag, it "proves" that it's running on my Quad R10K@225MHz Origin200.

I'm so bloody relieved, after more than half a year of pulling this project out of the mud in my spare time! 8)
More to come friday, i will post the patch file (+- 89 Hunks!) and the list of deps.

Stay tuned!

Dex


Wonderfull Dexter!!
Looking forward to test it!

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A new Vector game for my SGIs, how COOL is that! (Tempest is still one of my favorite Arcade game)
I'll check it out during the Christmas holiday.

Thanks for producing cool stuff to our colored boxes Martin!

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PymbleSoftware wrote:
Yep. It compiles cleanly. Runs like a 3 legged dog on the dual Octane. I haven't got around to packaging it.

I might be able to help out with the packaging (cant guarantee anything though)
If you can upload it somewhere and tell me the deps. I could probably wrap it up.

Thanks for your compiling efforts.

Cheers!
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PymbleSoftware wrote:
eMGee wrote: Pixie as in the RenderMan implementation?


I take it that no one has the IRIX version of BMRT floating around...
http://web.archive.org/web/200202070511 ... index.html


http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/SGI_Info/ ... other.html
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MrWeedster wrote:
I dont know what to do there.

Redo the initial IP setup of DINA.
It will clear the entire config but will keep your uploaded files.

You cant edit the dhcpd.conf file in DINA, it is dynamically created from scripts.

Good luck.
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Pontus wrote:
This will be a bit of a rant, sorry in advance.

Normally I love to get new hardware, but that love has filled up my apartment and storage :D So I've promised my fiancée not to get more stuff unless I get rid of stuff beforehand.

And today I got the offer of four (!) half height DEC racks populated with two PDP-11/44 and accompanying RK07 disks! It felt almost like a threat :) Oh well.. I think I'll give away two Macintoshes and take the two 11/44 CPU boxes and throw the rest away (which I hate).

Soo, anyone in Sweden who wants a 20 something megabytes of refrigerator sized storage?


So what stuff do we need to take off your hands :D ?

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MrWeedster wrote:
@deBug: I did that a few times already.

Short version:
The cut -f 8 was the problem - it should've been 9. I corrected it and it works now.
But i wonder how this could be the hell true? Unbelievable...

greets

Hi MrWeedster
It is now nearly two years since I did the coding and the testing but from the far corners of my mind pops up some distant memory's of your problem.
At one point in my testing I think I arrived at a similar situation that you have reached where the script had to be changed.

From what I can remember I believe it had something to do with the SGI storing either the IP of the netboot server or storing its own IP number in the NVRAM.
Come to think about it I think it was it's own stored IP number that could mess up things.

So try clearing out the NVRAM and redo the DINA setup and then try again (with the original script)

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orange wrote:
bah, still no progress..
it says '..fx.ARCS' not a valid file to boot


maybe 6.5 cant work with 160Mb RAM?

160MB Should be OK.

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rvic wrote:
ftp://ftp.mayn.de/pub/irix/ ... that is closed a long time ago (2006 i think) and it was mirrored in
http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/ which is down too ...


Up again!

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Hi Hamei.
There is a ton of unused FTIs (icons) in every IRIX version, chances are, there is a similar icon in your 6.5 IRIX
If you want to check them out you can run a small script of mine.
They can then be watched in the File Manger by going to the folder /usr/nekoware/include/seticons.

Happy Midsummer!
//Harry

Code:
#!/usr/bin/ksh
TYPEFILE="/usr/lib/filetype/local/seticons.ftr"

#Generate a list of fti icon files in the local filesystem
find / -local -name "*.fti" -print >> $HOME/allicons.txt

mkdir /usr/nekoware/include/seticons
rm $TYPEFILE
#Generate softlinks files to all icons in a folder
while read ICON
do
ICONNAME=`basename "$ICON"`
ln -s $ICON /usr/nekoware/include/seticons/$ICONNAME.seticon
echo "TYPE $ICONNAME.seticon">> $TYPEFILE
echo "MATCH glob(\"$ICONNAME.seticon\");">> $TYPEFILE
echo "LEGEND $ICONNAME.seticon">> $TYPEFILE
echo "ICON {">> $TYPEFILE
echo " include (\"$ICON\");">> $TYPEFILE
echo "}">> $TYPEFILE
echo " ">> $TYPEFILE
done < $HOME/allicons.txt
rm $HOME/allicons.txt

cd /usr/lib/filetype
make


Edit: If you have Jaleo installed you might find some unexpected stuff :)
http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16719848&hilit=debug+icons

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Interesting presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo&feature=related

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theinonen wrote:
Windows NT for PowerPC is not very useful as there is virtually no applications for it.

There is not much to do with it, other than to play a couple games of patience. It is also impossible to use it for web browsing, as the version of Internet (s)Explorer is so ancient it renders all pages wrong. Personally I would not bother installing it.


Well, you could use it as a CIFS server and if the NT software is of the Server version you could even use it as an Apple Share server.
If you do you can share folders for Windows and Apple computers and they can then share files event though they don't speak the same protocol.
The Windows NT will appear to be both an Apple and a Windows server on the network. Pretty useful.
You can even add Unix services for Windows and make a NFS server of it.
The neat thing is that you can take any HP network printer and share it both as a Windows and an Apple printer.
For the SGI and Apple clients it will show up on the network as an Apple postscript laser, no need to but expensive postscript printers, NT Server will do the conversion for you.

Of course you can do all of this with an old Pentium and Windows NT server 3.51 or newer, you don't need a special IBM/apple server for it but if one was looking to do something useful with the Apple server then loading Windows NT server for PPC might not be such a bad idea, providing it comes with the Apple share and Unix services for Windows add ons.

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josehill wrote:
Those of you who have systems running Windows 2000 might want to check for any last updates this week, as Microsoft will move all remaining flavors of the venerable OS from Extended Support mode to Retired mode on July 13, 2010.


Thanks for the info josehill.
I believe we have migrated the last 2000 machine some time ago and we are Premium support customers so we get (best effort) support and patches even for depreciated versions.

But it will be a much bigger scramble for us when they drop support for 2003 as the majority of our servers are running on 2003R2, and our AD is on 2003R2.
I wonder how many IT shops there is out there that are still running on 2003R2 instead of 2008 ?

//Harry

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pentium wrote:
This is looking to become an awesome summer! :cool:


Cool, and congrats to your new data center :D
Don't forget to visit the beach/lake or whatever you do for summer fun, or you risk getting deeper in to geekdom 8-)
Last two summers I have found myself doing more of amateur radio or computer projects on my summer vacation and less of hanging out on the beach/clubs/friends barbecue/air shows etc.

Don't know how much sun and warm weather you have in your location, in Sweden the season is so short it more or less a mortal sin to not be outdoors enjoying it while it lasts.

Looking forward to see the progress, and thanks for sharing your adventures.

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bviking wrote:
D-EJ915 wrote:
do 'setenv -p srvaddr 192.168.1.100' and see if it works then, this is what I have to do on all of mine.


Just did a fresh (in fact my first ever) install of Irix 5.3 on an Indy using DINA last night. I had to set "srvaddr" as per the above first, but then everything went pretty soothly!

Thanks Debug!!


Your welcome!
Nice to hear that it is working fine on 5.3 with the above tips.

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smj wrote:
It seemed rude to keep pulling it over the Atlantic, and I didn't see a copy when I poked around the nekoware US mirror, so I've put up a copy of the DINA VM and documentation here: http://www.shiftleft.com/mirrors/nekochan/DINA (at a colo in Santa Clara, CA).

There's also a copy of the 328MB ZIP of the VM files here: http://www.filefactory.com/file/b427dc3/n/DINA1.0.zip


Thank you smj.

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Oskar45 wrote: ...to all of you and, for 2011, whatever you wish for yourself shall come your way :-)

PS: Actually, we might not see next X-mas at all - Carl Calleman predicts the end of the world occurs on October 28, 2011 and not on December 21, 2012 as other so-called Maya specialists claim :-)

Seems we made it after all :)
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smj wrote:
I've started putting together a DINA HowTo Wiki Page with basic information, some of the key problems & tips from this thread, download sites, etc.

The background info is in place, but I haven't added in my setup and usage steps yet. I've got some Octanes I need to configure and install, so I intend to validate my notes from November and capture some screenshots along the way. Should make for a good guide.


That is a good idea smj, thank you for your work so far, great info!

Good luck with Octane installs. Without me trying to offend the Install goods - it should probably be a walk in the park.
The machines and IRIX I got problems with during my testing was the older ones like Indigo with IRIX 5.3
IRIX 6.5 was tested on Indy, Indigo2 and O2 so I don't expect any problems for your Octane.

//Harry

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ajerimez wrote: It took almost a year, but I finally found time to make the retrospective on the Mac Color Classic that I promised at the end of my ThinkPad video. This time, my friend Jason did the voiceover, and I spent more time on the lighting and editing to create a more professional look (I hope!).

Hope you enjoy. After the Gateway 2000 video, I'll probably do one about the SGI O2.


Great video!
Very professional narrated and shot.
I don't know much about Macs but now at least I know something about the color classic!

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nuts wrote: When I stop to the maintenance I can't use the LAN so I can"t install systems on my octane.
If I boot on IRIX, the network works well, but in the Prom, I'm unable to ping py others computers. I try "resetenv" and reset the netaddr and srvaddr but no changes: it doesn't work!


Network trouble shooting in prom mode can be a bit confusing as there is no easy way of assigning IP number and checking that the Network Interface is working.
In prom mode your wont get an IP number until you try to netboot your computer.
I usually check my DHCP server if it handed out an IP number to my SGI computer and then ping the SGI computer from another machine if I want to verify the connection.

That said I'd never had an SGI with a built-in NIC that didn't boot from an IRIX bootp server if it was connected in the same switch as the SGI.
It usually just works.
As a netboot server you can either use another IRIX box and set it up for netboot, or use the virtual applience "DINA" running on a PC.

Good luck with the trouble shooting.

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PymbleSoftware wrote: I have about 5 or 6 things I have built that other people want and never got around to packaging...
I think it would be cool if people who can package and test put their hand up and volunteer to package stuff.
R.

I'll bite.
Let me know how I can download it and I'll do it when I have time. (Not for another three weeks)
I need to spend some quality time in my SGI room.

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Roboinst would be the preferred way of doing autmatic multiple installs.
I use an O2 for that as it has a 100Mb NIC.
You can read up on Roboinst in the SGI docs.
If your interested you can get my config files to get you started, I have config iles mostly for 6.5.22 installs.

You type a command at PROM and it will boot, partition the drive and Install the OS fully automatically, hands off.
It's a beautiful thing when you got it all set up!

You can easily add your own, Nekoware, Freeware software at the same time.

The PROM command would be :

Code: Select all

bootp():IP.ToYourNetboot.AndRobinst.Computer/path/to/your/IRIX mrmode=custom


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uridium wrote: @debug:

I'd be interested in seeing it out of curiosity (not that I have >1 machine at the moment). Worth putting a factoid page up on how to drive roboinst on the wiki for fresh punters? :)

Al.

Yeah I know, I already promised in one thread that I will write something up, but you know... time... spare time... free time... etc :-)
I'll see if I can post my config, that should get interested parties a head start.

I originally wanted to make DINA fully automatic and port roboinst (it seems to be just a bunch of scripts) but I found out that the check-sum calculation is done by a binary so that can not be ported to DINA (x86 NetBSD)
I tried to move over all the config and IRIX stuff from a working roboinst to DINA but the client SGI would not boot properly so there are some voodoo stuff going at boot on that I don't understand.

I really like the idea of being able to create a fully automated install process.
Ideally it would contain all the great software and have a menu system where you choose what to install.
Or possible predefined sets like "Developer machine" or "Game and Demo machine" etc.
This is what I am trying to do nowadays when I spend time with my SGIs.
I have also started a "repacking" effort for some software like for example Adobe Photoshop so that instead of using the stupid original installer script and answer the meaningless question I have investigated what the script does and have done what Adobe should have done in the first place - created a tardist that installs Photoshop.
So the idea is to have all of IRIX, Nekoware and commercial software installable from a single PROM command :-)
Time will tell if I will ever succeed with that effort.
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josehill wrote: ...but Roboinst requires a license on the installation server, IIRC.

That is common misconception.
I believed the same by just glancing the documentation but if you read it in detail you will find that a license is only needed for after-installs.
Roboinst has two working "modes"
1 Do a install from PROM
2 Do additional install from IRIX.
Only the second mode requires a license.

So you do not need a license for roboinst as long as you do them from PROM

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astouffer wrote: What is the trick to getting audacity running? After installing audacity there were complaints of pango and fontconfig missing so I installed them. It keeps telling me to run pango-querymodules but I can't find this file anywhere on my system. Any ideas?


Hi astouffer.
Your chances to get an answer would probably increase if you provided more information in your question.
At least for me, these things are still unclear:
1 Are your talking about neko audacity?
2 What was the error message when you tried to run audacity?

It is somewhat strange that pango and fontconfig was not installed if they are a prerequsit for audacity?
It has happened before that an Neko tardist don't properly describe its prerequisites so that could be the case here or it could be that you did a override of the prereq at install.
So a bit more information on how you did the instal might also be useful for anyone trying to help you in the trouble shooting.

Regards
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.. and kick me off supportfolio registered area.
R.

Didn't you get the mail from SGI a couple of weeks ago instructing you to login to your account or it would be deleted?

No more women kissing as avatar?? :cry: (who where they anyway?)
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PymbleSoftware wrote: Well Harry, the red head is a Welsh unmarried woman who happens to be the prime minister of Australia
R.

Oops, sorry for my ignorance.
Your politicians seem to be ... colorful 8-)

Didn't mean to hijack the thread, carry on!
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MrWeedster wrote: Hi there.

Today i got a new Toy, a nice O2 R12k.

Because i have no root pw and wanted to install it new anyway, i decided to do so with my pre configured fuel which acts as bootp and netinstall server. It acted as install server in previous installations of other machines, so i dont think the fuel or the images on it are broken.

I did it like described here: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/ ... a_SGI_Fuel
Besides the fact the automatic response file doesnt works (it only loads my first overlay disc and then asks about what to open next) i followed the steps in this tutorial, stating the keep and install commands manually.

I always get this error:

ERROR: No product corresponding to "" at line 628 of cosmoplayer.idb.

If i decide to not install cosmoplayer then it mocks about mozilla.idb.

If i remove mozilla*:
ERROR: Missing symval attribute for etc/rc.0.d/K27sgi_apache at line 4 of sgi_apache.idb.

And so on.

I think if i remove * it would run ^^

I searched the net a bit and only found some threads about upgrading irix which stated that this error comes up if someone didnt install path5086 prior upgrading, which isnt the case. I would make a fresh install of 6.5.30f

Can someone help me with this?



Another question regarding the O2:

How can i remove the dark blue bottom without destroying it?
And is there a way to access the frontplane without destroying anything?


Thanks

I think the original assessment of missing patch 5086 is correct, it seems it cant read the CDs correctly.
One suggestion is to install the base 6.5 IRIX, then patch it rebot and upgrade to 6.5.30

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I would love to take these of your hands as I'm in SF for a few days but I think the overweight fees on the return trip would be less fun :o ).
Good luck with the sales.

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If you are only interested in sound out you can use an USB sound dongle.
The rule seems to be if the sound dongle works without drivers in an Win XP install it will work in IRIX (HID device I guess)
I have plugged in Logitech USB headsets, China manufactured dirt cheap USB dongles etc. and they all worked.
I have also run in to USB dongles that do not work, it seems the the cheaper and less sofisticated they are the bigger chanse they will work.
So scavenge around your junk box and see what USB sound devices you might already have at hand and try them out.

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Bring up the task manger
Click the "Performance" tab.
Click the "Resource Monitor.." button
In the Resource manager click the "disk" tab.
It will display all processes that use the disk and the read/write load for each process.

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Get it here : https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0VSqGtFePIjMTg5ZGZlOTAtMjQ0ZC00MTU4LTk5OGUtOTVhMzYyMTY2YTIx

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canavan wrote:
I've just uploaded an easy to install tardist to /incoming, you can get it from
http://www.canavan.de/neko/neko_addtobg-1.0.tardist until it is moved to /beta. Is there any way to specify filenames with spaces in ~/.backgrounds? I had hoped that just changine $@ to "$@" might fix any problems, but it's the syntax of ~/.backgrounds that finally prevents filenames with spaces to work. I've tried various mixes of single and double quotes, as well as backslashes so far, without any usable results.

Yes, that is sort of a mystery, I seem to remember that some of the original background images in the .backgrounds file have spaces in their file names but if I manually add a file of my own it doesn't accept spaces in the file names.

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Hmm, I use Seamonkey quite often so that must be one of the candidates from my perspective.
Followed my Midnight Commander for file management.
And then of cource there is a bunch of cool commercial software like Josehill mentioned.
Alias 3D software etc.
The OpenGL paint software that is free but the name eludes me...

And of course Quake 1, especially on an Onyx running 1280x1024 resolution on an old 21" CRT :-D
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SleepyRegions wrote: Using a Compact Flash card adapted to IDE adapted to 50-pin SCSI for installing and booting IRIX on an older IRIS (PI or Indigo).
I notice the classic Mac enthusiasts are trying this: here and here .
Anyone tried it? Any technical reasons it wouldn't work with IRIX?

I know the classic Mac OS is a lot smaller, a lot less demanding, and a lot more forgiving than IRIX.

I tried it on an Indy.
Yahma SCSI to IDE that I got from hamei.
Then and an IDE to CF converter, IRIX didnt like my CF converter so didn't work, never tried with another IDE-CF converter, it worked on a PC and the SCSI to IDE converter worked just fine with a real harddrive.

In the end I settled for a quiet IDE hard drive in the Indy and did not bother with the CF card.

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Adrenaline wrote:
Just tried putting a "." for the Remote Directory IP Address and got this:

duplicate IP address!! sent from ethernet address: 18 87 96 be 92 f1
duplicate IP address!! sent from ethernet address: 18 87 96 be 92 f1
duplicate IP address!! sent from ethernet address: 18 87 96 be 92 f1
duplicate IP address!! sent from ethernet address: 18 87 96 be 92 f1
duplicate IP address!! sent from ethernet address: 18 87 96 be 92 f1
duplicate IP address!! sent from ethernet address: 18 87 96 be 92 f1
Unable to execute bootp().:/irix/6.5/1/dist/sa(sash64): could not connect to server
Cannot load bootp().:/irix/6.5/1/dist/sa(sash64) -- could not connect to server.


I would recomend starting up another SGI and verify that it can reach DINA and read the NFS directories etc.

The last error message informs you that you have two or more computers having the same IP number.
One of the computers have the 18:87... MAC adress.

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The time has come for me to downsize.
I will be moving to a smaller apartment and will not have a dedicated SGI room many more.
So after thinking allot of what to do with my SGI gear, sell them, put them in storage etc,
I did the best thing, I past them on to my friends and collectors of SGI, Tessla and Björn.
They will be in good hands and live on to be tinkered with.

It's easy to become nostalgic but they have served me well and it's nice to know they will live on.


//deBug

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The SGI collectors


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The Song and Dance Machine


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Björn have perfected his cargo tie-down technique.


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The Onyx messes up Tesslas space planing.


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SGI Bonanza!
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Hi, I'm looking for an inexpensive PC or Mac for my daughter.
She lives in the US and need something for her college studies in California.

If you have something inexpensive please PM me.

Thank you!
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Pontus wrote: Good luck with your new apartment and endeavours! Lucky tesla, I think we fought over that Onyx on tradera :)

Regards,
Pontus.

Thank you Pontus!
I'm really looking forward to the new city and appartment and new GF and everything.

I think you confusing my Onyx with Björns.
This onyx came from NASA Langley Research Center in Virginia, I had it shipped by boat so I'm pretty sure it was never on Tradera ;)

Regards
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