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TeeTylerToe wrote: it's about 17.5 megabytes a second. the Ultra wide SCSI-2 that the O2 uses is 16 bit, 20MHz iirc, I'm sure it's 40MB/s.

With no audio, or audio at 22KHz 8 bit mono no frames dropped, 32KHz 8bit stereo I think frames started dropping >.<. looks like 250MHz is a stretch. I can record the audio seperately I guess.


Yes the O2 SCSI is 40MB/sec.

Here is some benchmarks made with my O2 and differnt disks.
30MB/s possible with modern disk on sequential writes.

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o25k 6# diskperf -W -D -t10 -n "ATA-SCSI" -c50m /disk2/testfile
#---------------------------------------------------------
# Disk Performance Test Results Generated By Diskperf V1.2
#
# Test name     : 36GB 15kRPM SCSI CPU=R5k@200MHz
# Test date     : Wed Jan 24 20:50:02 2007
# Test machine  : IRIX o25k 6.5 10070056 IP32
# Test type     : XFS data subvolume
# Test path     : /disk2/testfile
# Request sizes : min=4096 max=4194304
# Parameters    : direct=1 time=10 scale=1.000 delay=0.000
# XFS file size : 54525952 bytes
#---------------------------------------------------------
# req_size  fwd_wt  fwd_rd  bwd_wt  bwd_rd  rnd_wt  rnd_rd
#  (bytes)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)
#---------------------------------------------------------
4096    5.46    5.36    3.53    0.92    2.91    1.06
8192    6.20    6.47    5.74    1.78    5.43    1.91
16384    8.40    9.19    8.72    3.49    8.52    3.43
32768   11.88   12.46   12.34    6.86   12.10    5.96
65536   15.96   15.20   16.03    8.23   15.80    9.16
131072   20.48   17.37   20.32   12.90   20.01   12.68
262144   23.26   19.58   23.04   16.43   23.40   16.55
524288   26.16   26.05   25.91   23.81   26.22   23.34
1048576   29.62   29.36   30.34   27.22   29.80   26.97
2097152   31.51   30.62   31.45   29.87   31.10   29.55
4194304   31.99   31.77   31.89   31.42   31.87   30.91

o25k 1# diskperf -W -D -t10 -n "SCSI 15kRPM Seagate Cheetah model ST336754LC CPU 300MHz" -c50m /downloads/testfile
#---------------------------------------------------------
# Disk Performance Test Results Generated By Diskperf V1.2
#
# Test name     : 36GB 15kRPM Seagate Cheetah model ST336754LC CPU=R5k@300MHz
# Test date     : Fri Jan 26 18:29:29 2007
# Test machine  : IRIX o25k 6.5 10070056 IP32
# Test type     : XFS data subvolume
# Test path     : /downloads/testfile
# Request sizes : min=4096 max=4194304
# Parameters    : direct=1 time=10 scale=1.000 delay=0.000
# XFS file size : 54525952 bytes
#---------------------------------------------------------
# req_size  fwd_wt  fwd_rd  bwd_wt  bwd_rd  rnd_wt  rnd_rd
#  (bytes)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)
#---------------------------------------------------------
4096    4.46    5.74    3.40    0.82    2.43    0.85
8192    6.13    6.90    7.15    1.55    4.92    1.84
16384    3.96   10.14    3.89    2.57    8.40    3.34
32768    7.49    7.59   10.24    4.39   14.23    6.25
65536   18.52   20.10   20.21    9.19   19.78   10.45
131072   22.82   22.68   23.33   17.74   23.08   15.50
262144   26.12   25.92   25.97   20.13   25.95   19.69
524288   28.13   26.19   29.42   23.83   28.88   22.63
1048576   31.16   30.12   31.29   27.56   30.99   28.59
2097152   33.14   32.55   33.02   30.99   32.86   31.08
4194304   33.73   33.29   33.48   32.44   33.55   32.67

o25k 7# diskperf -W -D -t10 -n "Orginal 8GB SCSI" -c50m /downloads/testfile
#---------------------------------------------------------
# Disk Performance Test Results Generated By Diskperf V1.2
#
# Test name     : Orginal 8GB SCSI (ST39173LC) CPU=R5k@200MHz
# Test date     : Wed Jan 24 21:00:08 2007
# Test machine  : IRIX o25k 6.5 10070056 IP32
# Test type     : XFS data subvolume
# Test path     : /downloads/testfile
# Request sizes : min=4096 max=4194304
# Parameters    : direct=1 time=10 scale=1.000 delay=0.000
# XFS file size : 54525952 bytes
#---------------------------------------------------------
# req_size  fwd_wt  fwd_rd  bwd_wt  bwd_rd  rnd_wt  rnd_rd
#  (bytes)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)
#---------------------------------------------------------
4096    3.98    4.11    1.74    0.49    0.66    0.45
8192    5.74    5.63    3.26    0.97    1.22    0.85
16384    6.58    6.02    4.79    2.03    2.12    1.56
32768    6.89    6.46    6.27    3.91    3.60    2.61
65536    7.56    7.88    5.13    4.89    4.31    4.28
131072    7.89    7.79    6.96    6.76    6.53    5.90
262144    8.03    8.19    8.97    8.05    8.40    7.57
524288    7.99    8.63   10.92    9.95    9.91    9.54
1048576    8.04    8.58   10.42   12.09   10.43   11.48
2097152    8.72    9.04   11.71   13.16   11.61   13.05
4194304    8.61    8.99   12.65   14.65   12.66   13.80


o25k 1# diskperf -W -D -t10 -n "IBM Ultrastar 10k RPM Model DDYS-TI8350" -c50m /disk2/testfile
#---------------------------------------------------------
# Disk Performance Test Results Generated By Diskperf V1.2
# Command queing and write cache disabled
# Test name     : IBM Ultrastar 10k RPM Model DDYS-TI8350
# Test date     : Mon Mar  5 10:47:27 2007
# Test machine  : IRIX o25k 6.5 10070056 IP32
# Test type     : XFS data subvolume
# Test path     : /disk2/testfile
# Request sizes : min=4096 max=4194304
# Parameters    : direct=1 time=10 scale=1.000 delay=0.000
# XFS file size : 54525952 bytes
#---------------------------------------------------------
# req_size  fwd_wt  fwd_rd  bwd_wt  bwd_rd  rnd_wt  rnd_rd
#  (bytes)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)
#---------------------------------------------------------
4096    0.67    6.30    0.68    0.69    0.77    0.80
8192    1.29    8.52    1.37    1.40    1.45    1.56
16384    2.49   12.45    2.81    2.86    2.73    2.88
32768    4.49   15.88    5.82    6.07    4.77    5.10
65536    7.41   16.34    8.86    8.76    7.47    7.89
131072   11.32   18.54   13.21   12.48   11.06   12.83
262144   16.54   25.70   16.93   15.16   15.41   17.09
524288   20.88   25.95   19.35   22.25   19.03   21.08
1048576   23.34   29.93   23.57   26.07   22.22   27.43
2097152   25.19   31.93   24.01   30.27   24.50   30.40
4194304   25.24   32.82   24.81   31.52   25.66   32.17


o25k 1# diskperf -W -D -t10 -n "IBM Ultrastar 10k RPM Model DDYS-TI8350" -c50m /downloads/testfile
#---------------------------------------------------------
# Disk Performance Test Results Generated By Diskperf V1.2
# Command queing and write cache enabled
# Test name     : IBM Ultrastar 10k RPM Model DDYS-TI8350
# Test date     : Mon Mar  5 18:30:23 2007
# Test machine  : IRIX o25k 6.5 10070056 IP32
# Test type     : XFS data subvolume
# Test path     : /downloads/testfile
# Request sizes : min=4096 max=4194304
# Parameters    : direct=1 time=10 scale=1.000 delay=0.000
# XFS file size : 54525952 bytes
#---------------------------------------------------------
# req_size  fwd_wt  fwd_rd  bwd_wt  bwd_rd  rnd_wt  rnd_rd
#  (bytes)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)  (MB/s)
#---------------------------------------------------------
4096    3.08    7.20    1.03    0.62    1.32    0.82
8192    7.94   11.43    1.69    1.42    2.43    1.55
16384   11.64   15.57    6.78    2.91    4.29    2.94
32768   15.86   19.57   12.26    6.31    7.31    5.09
65536   20.32   22.82   14.85   10.48   10.65    8.55
131072   22.67   24.82   17.63   14.73   15.08   12.85
262144   23.29   25.30   22.82   15.26   18.76   15.97
524288   24.22   25.83   18.81   19.74   18.88   21.43
1048576   25.45   30.60   22.31   25.89   21.90   26.78
2097152   25.58   31.89   22.38   29.63   22.51   29.57
4194304   25.35   32.03   23.66   30.38   23.86   31.33

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emachine wrote:
Heres a screenshot:

Attachment:
supertuxkart.jpg


Its a pretty big tardist... ~128meg.

Runs fine on the Tezro :D

Best regards,
emachine


Runs pretty well on fuel 600MHz V12 as well.
Sound, working.
Swedish language in menus with no config., go figure.
controls working.
Screen settings not working, always the same size, by design ??

Most games run fine!!!

Great job! another game to IRIX.

update. is to slow on O2 600MHz (5-10fps)

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HP servers are the current "bread and butter" of any IT operations these days.
DL320, DL360 etc. are nice machines.
There are models that can take a lot of disks in the server box if you dont want to run an external storage cabinet.
For Raid controller I can recomend HPs P400 or P800, fast and reliable.
All this of cource comes with HPs great installations tools and server start.
Get a machine that has ILO (Iintegrated Lights Out) that will allow you to remote control the mahine over IP even if it is turned off.
You can turn it on, reset it, go in to BIOS, isntall OS etc. with ILO.
The above suggested machines comes with ILO.

Seems a bit expensive for me though, to buy new enterprice class machines for the proposed aplication.
Why dont you just keep the current P3 computer and add a few 1TB SATA drives, run software mirroring and your done ?
Add a cheep IP KVM so you can manage the box in to BIOS, reinstall OS and software in case of server crash.
Belkin, Avoccent etc has a few inexpensive boxes.
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I like to have original mouse, keyboards and monitors to my SGIs to get the correct retro 90ies feeling.
The ball mouse is no favorite though. I guess that most people even in their most nostalgic moments don't want to use it if they can avoid it.

So I built this.

It is an original Granite Indy mouse with the electronics from an MS explorer mouse inside!

It's a joy to use, and without the heavy ball inside the mouse is feather light gliding over the rubber mouse mat with unhindered ease.


Here is a guide how to do the conversion.
Start by getting an Explorer mouse, thats an old 5 button Microsoft mouse with a red light at the bottom.

Why this mouse ?, well it has a very small circuit board so it is easy to fit in the old SGI mouse plastics. It also works well and is PS/2 compatible.

I used the optical encoder from the MS explorer mouse but not the buttons as they did not line up well to the plastic push rods in the SGI mouse.
Instead I used the original buttons from the SGI mouse.
I then linked the SGI buttons with the MS explorer board using a few wires as shown in this diagram.


To start the conversion first open up the explorer mouse and remove the electronics.
There are three circuit boards, you want to keep the middle one that holds the optical encoder.


De solder the small board that holds the red led, it has no function other than to "pimp" the explorer mouse.
Also remove the front circuit board, It will be easier if you cut the wire that links the two boards and then clean out the remaining wire from the solder pads.

Once you have cleaned the solder pads put the explorer board aside together with the plastic lens from the bottom of the explorer mouse.
It is now time to turn your attention to the SGI mouse and to fire up the dremmel tool!
Remove the SGI mouse circuit board and with the dremmel tool cut across the board 2 cm under the buttons.

Discard the old SGI board and test fit whats left of the button boards in the SGI mouse again.

No comes the most critical moment in the build, glue the plastic lens from the explorer mouse under and up in the hole that used to hold the ball in the SGI mouse.
Make sure you get a flush fit of the plastic lens to the underside of the mouse, you need to cut or file two small indents to get the plastic lens flush and level to the underside of the mouse
If you get it wrong the lens will be out of focus and you mouse will not work.
Epoxy glue the the lens to the underside.
Let it cure and then flip the mouse over and glue it from the inside as well.
Drop in the button circuit board and test fit it, file or trim it until it sits well.

Now its time to wire it all toghter.
In this last picture you may notice the six solder pads near the left mouse button. In the top mid hole there is connection to all buttons so thats an excellent place to solder the 180ohms resistor that needs to go in series with the return wire from the button switches.

At the other end of the resistor solder a piece of wire.
Then solder wires to all three switches, every switch has three connectors, solder the wire to the mid connector.


No its time to connect it all.
The 180 resistor needs to go to ground, I used pad 8 on connector J2.
Left button switch wire goes to pad 2 on J3 connector, mid goes to pad 3 right goes to pad 4.
And last, complete the soldering by soldering the SGI mouse cable to the J2 connector.
Closeup of the button wires.


Closeup of the SGI mouse cable.


Now assemble everything

and test the function of the mouse by plugging it to an old PC or so in case it fries the computer. Once it runs fine on a PC you can test it on an SGI computer and run a confidence test in IRIX to check out the buttons and movements.

To get the mid button to work you first has to set the systune pcmouse 2 parameter in the kernel
Read this blog entry for more info http://www.nekochan.net/weblog/archives/000025.html

If you don't get good mouse movement, try to lift the optical board at the back end a few millimeters. I found that one of the de soldered micro switches from the MS explorer mouse had the correct height so I ended up placing it under the back end of the pcb and fixing it with heat glue.

Once everything checks out, fix all the boards and cables with heat glue from your trusty glue gun!

Put on the top, screw it down and you now have a unique optical granite mouse that will be as smooth as silk on an Indy mouse mat!

//deBug
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pinball_0 wrote: excellent hack!!... now I'd put some weight into it to give it a solid feel.

Thanks.
When it comes to weight, I guess there is two schools
Some people like it to be heavy some dont.
I opened up an old optical Logitech mouse and found that they had placed a weight inside it so I guess their design department thought their customers liked them to be heavy.

Myself, I like it to be as light as possible.
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noisetonepause wrote: Excellent. You could sell those.


Hehe, always nice to have a second carer to fall back to should my IT manager skills fall out of vogue :)
Although I think the world market would be somewhat limited as most people would probably just use the explorer mouse as it is. ;)
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Congrats to the new CPUs !
So you will do a new batch of upgrades now I guess?

I bought a R5200 300MHz with the correct blue wire at the volt regulator so I could have it modified to 600MHz but then I found a 600MHz module on Ebay for the same price that the conversion would cost and bought it.
I have been happy with my O2 but always thought to be a bit to slow even at 600MHz.
But today I plugged in the 300MHz to test before selling it, and my god! At 300MHz it is like moving in quicksand glued to a safe in slow motion slow!!
I cant understand how I could run the O2 with 200MHz R5000 and 300 R5200 for several years!
How quickly on forgets.

My fuel has definitely spoiled me 8-)
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Works fine on my fuel.
No segfault on exit on my box.
Everything is just dandy.

Any chance you could expand it with an option to read in a user determined image file to use as environment map?

Great job!

//Harry
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Richtom1 wrote:
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LOL, I think there were two lots of them... :twisted:

correction: selling the 500 MHz version in singles now

eBay: RM7000B-500T



Looks like they're over in ALtamonte Springs ( a couple hours east of me)

What O2 mainboard would these be compatible with? IIRC I have an O2 400 R1200 and a 300 R5000 (not a R5200)

Richard

If you have a 400MHz R12k then use it, its faster than the 600MHz R5200
As far as I know there isnt any 300MHz R5000
R5200 i incorrectly detected by hinv as R5000 so your 300Mhz is probably a R5200

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Hi.

So you wanted to netboot your SGI and install IRIX but you think its to complicated to set up a netboot server?
You would love to have nekosync download and unpack all Nekoware for you but you haven't gotten around setting it up?
Have you ever needed a server that you can share files between your SGI, Macs and PCs?

In that case DINA might be something for you.

Get the full story and download it here http://zachrisson.net/DINA .

[Edit 2009-07-18]URL above is outdated, use the URLs below.
Documentation here:
http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/SGI_related_files/DINA/Documentation/DINA_Documentation.html
Download here
http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/SGI_related_files/DINA/DINA1.0.zip


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Ohhoo Bummer!! MY connection just went south.
Im Uploading it to an external site.
Takes some time as IP going out from me right now is going in snail pace.

Here is the info :
http://web.telia.com/~u58007278/

Download it here http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4340839/DINA
If you download the torrent, be patient as the my upload seems to be really broken right now. Grrrr, need to speak to my ISP
Great timing ! :-(

//Harry
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It turned out that my ADSL modem had gone south, probably the summer heat was to much for it.
I'll go for modem hunt tomorrow, but at least the torrent is now seeded by other so should be possible to download.

Thomas, torrent files doesn't contain anything except a link.
The link allows a peer-to-peer program to find and download files.
The most popular and efficient bittorrent software for the PC platform is micro torrent http://www.utorrent.com/
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josehill wrote: I was only getting throughput around 0.5 kB/s. Now that I have the file, however, I'm pushing it to other folks at 50 kB/s. 1.5 GB pushed so far!)
JH

Thanks for helping out JH!
My Modem is shot,the uplink hardly work at all, thats why it was so slow when i posted the torrent.
I borrowed another modem today so i could complete the upload, but had to switch back to my old defect modem to get the IP TV going so my daughter could get her dose of project runway.
Hopefully I'll get a new modem tomorrow that will do both IP TV and upload and then I''ll be back seeding again.
Thanks to everyone that has stepped in and helped out with seeding for me.
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stuart wrote: Oh - shiny!

My site's back up again now after a long outage due to my RAID array suddenly dropping several disks at once (I shouldn't have used five disks from the same batch...) - so it's at least possible to get a screenshot without a version warning :D

I cinda prefer that over the "old version" varning 8-)
I'll update the nekosync version on the next version of DINA

stuart wrote: Might it be worth including sgisync too, to allow people to auto-download any patches for the version of IRIX they're about to install?

Great work,
stuart

Good idea, I'll have a look at it for the next version.


Misc info:
I have a new ADSL modem now so I'm back seeding and my webpage is accessible again.

If you used the console in DINA you may have noticed it is not using US keymapping.
It's Swedish, I havent found info on how to restore the US keymapping in NetBSD, anyone ?
But I was able to restore it on the graphical consoles so if it is big problem for you just start the graphics and use the aterm console.
Not that you should ever need to use the console but one never know, somenone might just have to use the CLI or they wont feel like a real man :D

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josehill wrote: Thanks again for putting this together, deBug. Would you have a "cookbook" of how DINA differs from a default NetBSD installation, e.g. configs, any extra sw installed? Just curious...

Mostly changes to config files in /etc and some of my own scripts in /usr/dina
There is a copy of the changed config files in /usr/dina/cfgfiles/factory if you are curious.
The only "inovative" stuff is a script that is started at boot that monitors BOOTP request and if a BOTTP request from a SGI computer is found the DHCP server is configured to accept it and the computer is given an unique name and IP number.


josehill wrote: PS. 2.5 GB seeded...

Thats great, thanks!
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nekonoko wrote:
jdboyd wrote: I am obviously in the wrong part of the country for getting such things.


Nah, not in this case - this particular Tezro was on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0258148673

I just had to pull the spare IO9 from my O350. But there's also an IO9 on eBay for $250.

I was mighty interested in this but chickened out due to the gfx err message.
Nice to see that it ended up at your place and was easy to get going.

What was the deal with that error message anyway, missing io9?
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jan-jaap wrote:
deBug wrote: I was mighty interested in this but chickened out due to the gfx err message.

Hah, wait 'till you see this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0270475112
Two Tezro's, in Sweden, for $1000.

What the f**!!
How can I have missed this one??
Dam you jan-jaap. You just ruined my day! :evil:
The location is in driving distance from me. I cant for the life understand how I could have missed that one.
Probably not listed for very long as hamei said.

/Harry
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neko_xmms-1.2.11.tardist is now in Beta.

The new version was created in a collaboration between canavan and me.
There is no changes in the binary, only in the typerules and icons.
The New Xmms is now associated to MP3 files and play-lists.

If you Double click one or several MP3 files it will open Xmms, add the files to the playlist and play the first of the added tracks.
Alt-double click does the same but replaces any existing playlist.
The same goes for play-lists in M3U or PLS format.
If you prefer to use a menu, there is now an "Enqueue in Xmms" pop-up menu if you select one or more MP3s and right click. The Alt key works in the same way with the pop menu.
As usual you can also add files to Xmms by drag-and-drop of files or folders containing MP3s.

Some minor changes in the pop-up menu if you right click on the Xmms application icon itself, you can change track , pause etc, this has been there before I just changed some of the menu texts.
There is also brand new nice icons for the MP3 and playlist files.
canavan did a great job on the icons and is the one that should have most credit for the update as he created icons, tweaked some of my typerules and packaged it all.

Enjoy.

//deBug & canavan
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tomo wrote: Xmms works good - shuffle play button now don't cause crash, icon is nice.

But one think: I have problem with output audio plugin, when I choose "irix audio plugin" as output xmms crashes immediately after start. But "SGI digital media output plugin works fine. (IRIX 6.5.26 on O2)

Thank you for testing.
Before we move out of beta, can you check if you browse a MP3 library, what icon does the MP3s have?

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tomo wrote:
deBug wrote: Thank you for testing.
Before we move out of beta, can you check if you browse a MP3 library, what icon does the MP3s have?

//debug


At the start icons were old, xmms icon in iconmanager became in mediatools and was new. But after restart (maybe logout/ login can be enough) icons in fm became new.

Thanks for you info tomo, seems it working OK then.

You can probably move it out of beta Neko.

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Tried it briefly.
It is very very Vista like.

Considering it took six years between XP and Vista (partly because they had to scrap a version and start again).
I cant really see that they can have made much progress in a year and a half to consider it a new OS.
It is probably more like Vista 1.1
As the sales of Vista has been much less than what MS expected I cant stop thinking if this Windows 7 push is not simply a way for them to drop the Vista bad rap and forge ahead with a "new" product.

MS might have lost the edge? (I know there are plenty of people on this forum that will claim they never got it ;) )
The now eight year old XP is still good enough for most people, myself included.
At work were I ran a lot of Virtual machines on the desktop and therefore needed more than 4GB RAM with means I needed a 64 bit OS to handle more RAM.
I installed XP 64Bits and found it to be a great OS!
XP64 is really the forgotten OS but as far as I am concerned, perhaps the best OS MS has made.

Back to Windows 7, it seems likely that they will include more eye-candy a-la Mac OS X bars etc. before the final version.
So it will probably be appealing but whether it will bring any new useful functionally still remains to be seen.

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pan1k wrote: Hey guys..

I'm trying to run QuakeI on my Octane2. It's got V6PRO Graphics and 1.2GBRAM. When I run the quake executable, it defaults to the none GL versions. Is that how it's supposed to be? When I run the GL version, it gets laggy and then crashes my system. Any tips out there for Quake to run right? I'm using the port from SGI.

It has a known bug that crashes the X server on Vpro gfx.
No fix for it afaik.
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Nice find Dr Dave!

Recipe here http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2008-12-30-de-yellowing-old-cases.htm

So who will be the first to take a greening Indy case and see if it turns Blue ?

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More recipes http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showpost.php?p=90439&postcount=5
http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/Retr0Bright+Gel

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sybrfreq wrote:

If it was a big deal I'm sure previous users of the formula would have noticed. It seems to be a non-issue.


One of the users noticed a fading of the silkscreen text labels on one of the Amiga cases.
another users got his Apple logo destroyed.
So it seems it can happen but it also seems they both used an early formula of 20% hydrogen peroxide but later experiments with 6% solutions showed equally good results.
So it might be that the fading of the print and logos was due to bleaching.

Anyway, testing first seems appropriate.

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I was convinced this was an April fools joke.
But It's actually confirmed on SGIs and Rackables websites.
http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2009/april/rackable.html
http://www.rackable.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?prid=672

Well they have been limping along on life support long enough I guess.
Still sad when it is a fact instead of a possibility.
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OK, I have completed the download of the tech pubs from Diego.
He also provided me with some sites that he mirrored five years ago.
There is still some more stuff that I will download from him whenever he can find some more time.

So thank you so much Diego!


It is all available at the Swedish Nekoware Mirror http://se.mirror.nekoware.se
I have also put up some other miscellaneous SGI info and files I had.

If you have more stuff you can contribute like mirrored sites or IRIX patches/software
please PM me and I will put it up there.

I intend to keep this server up for a long time so there is no need for you to download it all from it :-)

Enjoy!
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Darkstar wrote:


My mistake, nekoware.net is the correct one as you said.

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I figured out how to get the fonts in IRX to display correctly if you are accessing your IRIX box using X over the network.

If you follow the Wiki entry "Headless desktop" http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/index.php/Headless_desktop
you will be able to remotely get the desktop of one your IRIX boxes and remote control it from a Linux or Windows Computer.
I use a thin client from HP with gives me a silent low power Xterminal to my IRIX boxes in another room
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The HP can run XDMP out of the box but I have also added the Xnest and Xephyr software as the thin client is running Linux Debian so it is easily done.

One drawback though was that the fonts didn't display correctly over the remote X connection.
For example the Toolchest font was not italic as it should have been.
Most software run OK with the exception of IRIX "Software Manager" that gave me a couple of error messages of missing fonts. And sure enough, the list of software did not display correctly.

To fix this problem I enabled the font server on the IRIX box:

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chkconfig fontserver on

After I enabled the fontserver I had to tell Xnest, X or Xephyr to use it.
E.g to start Xnest and remote control my octane2 that had a running fontserver I would type the following on my Linux box:

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Xnest :1 -fp tcp,octane2:7100 -query octane2

The "tcp,octane2:7100 " tell Xnest to get the fonts over the network from the computer with host name octane2 port 7100
This did something for sure, but it was actually worse!
The fonts in sub menus of Toolchest was all garbled.
And so was some other menus in other software. It was unusable and much worse than running without the fontserver.

The alternative to using a remote fontserver on the IRIX box is to copy them to the Linux box so they are available locally.
It took me few hours of "how-to" reading before I eventually was able to get it working. I though I share it here should someone else want to try the same.


1 Copy the fonts
Copy the IRIX fonts from your IRIX box to your Linux box.
You will find them at /usr/lib/X11/fonts on your IRIX 6.5 box.
I copied the 100dpi, 75dpi, CID, Speedo and misc sub folders.

I choose /usr/share/fonts/X11 as the destination folder on my Debian Linux.

2 Register the fonts on the Linux box.
To get them registered with the Linux X server I used the command:

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xset fp+ /path/to/fonts
for every IRIX folder added.
E.g.

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xset fp+ /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi
xset fp+ /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi
etc.

3 Tell the Linux X server to start using the newly added fonts.
I issued the command

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xset fp rehash
to tell the Linux X server to use the new fonts.

And now when I connect to IRIX computers with either X, Xnest or Xephyr the fonts displays correctly!


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Edit. fixed the destination Linux path to the fonts.
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PymbleSoftware wrote: Copy and pasted from this thread into the wiki entry above.

Regan

Thanks Regan!

One day I'll learn how to edit the wiki..
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sybrfreq wrote: I've yet to get the fonts going (as you can see) but why is the picture off in the system manager ? I thought those were bitmaps:
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Could it be related to your garbled fonts in the toolchest?


I have the same graphic problem in my System Manager even after I fixed my font problems.
So they are probably not related.

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Thomas W. wrote: stupid question?... i don't know, but...

will this work with my O200? I ask, because there is no gfx-option in it...


It sure will!
Just make sure you are running XDM on your O200

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chkconfig xdm on
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dexter1 wrote:
FYI, make sure you keep the old backups from techpubs, since SGI likes to refresh PDF documents for new systems, thereby increasing the minor document number and removing the old document :(

This happened to "OpenGL on Silicon Graphics Systems" : viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6345&p=47952

i have a june 2005 one, btw


OK, thanks for the warning, I'll observe caution when/if upgrading my year 2004 mirror of Techpubs.

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ritchan wrote:
Direct download so you don't have to wait for seeds:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=8f38 ... 4aa771dc95


Thanks!

I updated the original post to point here http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/IRIX/DINA/DINA1.0.zip
:arrow: ***Update***
DINA is now located at
http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/SGI_relat ... ation.html
and
http://se.mirror.nekoware.net/SGI_related_files/DINA/

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orange wrote:
some help here would be greatly appreciated


Hard to say what the problem is here.
If you followed the instructions in the documentation and boots from the Installation_overlays1 CD it will try to find the SA file from the Installation_overlays1/dist
Make sure you have a SA file in this folder, it 18MB large in IRIX 6.5.x
I guess you are trying to boot IRIX 6.5?
In 6.3 the SA is stored elsewere so you have to give a different commend to boot from earlier IRIX version.

//Harry

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strandedinnz wrote:
oooh sudden thought ... I'm thinking Dina might only netboot a server that it has seen broadcast it's MAC address out onto the LAN in a request to get an IP (from Dina), and that the TFTP session might get tied to that MAC address/IP address.


You are absolutely correct Mark.
That is the way Dina is working and I will explain why.
When an SGI computer requests a netboot it first request an IP number from a BOOTP or DHCP server and once it get it will request the files to be transfered by TFTP.
There are three things that complicates this process.

1 When an SGI request an IP number it can send a "prefered" IP number to the BOOTP server.
The BOOTP server can honor this request or it can disregard it and give another IP number. If I remember correctly the boot sequence did not work if the bootp server didn't honor the request.
One way of ensuring this is to clear the "netaddr" environment variable as this holds the preferred IP. The SGI machine will store any BOOTP received IP in this variable so it will only be clear until the next netboot atempt.

2 The way the TFTP request work is really strange.
Instead of just asking the boot server directly for the file you have specified. It will send the TFP request string with server name (or IP) and path for the TFTP file to the BOOTP server.
Please note that this is no TFTP request.
This initial communication simply sends the String that it will later on use to make the TFTP request. This string is sent as part of the IP request to the BOOTP server.
The BOOTP server will then return the string back to the Client together with the IP number it has granted the client.
At this time the Client will set its IP number and then make a regular TFTP request to the server and to the path that it got from the BOOTP server.

So if the BOOTP server want to it can alter the TFTP string and point to a different server or to a different file. Now it actually never does this. It always returns the TFTP string unaltered, expect in one case, and that brings us to issue three.

3 The ISC DHCP server that is standard in NetBSD has a bug (feature??) that makes it blank out the TFTP string if it returns a IP number to a client that is not listed in its config files for hosts.
Now the listing of hosts with their MAC numbers and their corresponding IP addresses is purely optional. It is only used when you want to make sure that a specific computer gets a specific IP number in return from the DHCP server.
This is rarely used nowadays as you are normally only interested in getting any IP number from a DHCP server.
Well I guess TFTP isn't used that much any more as the ISC DHCP server clearly has a bug that alters (blanks) the TFTP string if it cant find a MAC and IP number for the client in it's config files.


So to solve this rather unfortunately chain of circumstances in the interoperability of an SGI client and an ISC DHCP server one could just simply add the MAC address of all ones SGI computers in the ISC config files and modify the netaddr variable in the SGI computer to match the given IP number but I didn't like that so I came up with a script that does that automatically.
For this to work, the DHCP server has to be the one to decide what IP number the SGI computer must use.
Thats the reason why you must clear the netaddr variable. If you don't, the SGI computer thinks it can decide what IP number to use.

Quote:
1) Disable DHCP on your home router
2) Do not assign an IP address to your indigo ... "unsetenv netaddr" ... or maybe clear things completely and resetenv ?
3) Then try : boot -f bootp()<IPaddressofDina>:/irix/6.5/1/stand/fx.ARCS --x
See if the fx program gets loaded.

Regards

Mark


You are right again Mark.
As outlined in my documentation, this is the correct way to ensure that you can netboot from Dina to either run fx or the stand-alone shell.

//Harry

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GeneratriX wrote: How would you do that?


Diego, I don't want to clutter up this thread so I created a new thread and continued the discussion there.
http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16721846
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hamei wrote:
D-EJ915 wrote:
I wonder how that could happen ?

SPAM:ers do brute force tryouts on random addresses. Many ISP:s still have the courtesy setting of sending a return mail "there is no one here with that mailaddress" when you send to an unused mailaddress so it's easy enough for the spamers to know when they got a hit (no return).

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stuart wrote: (Strangely, if I try to install any add-ons into Seamonkey, it always errors-out saying that it can't update the Chrome registry. All the files within my profile are writable (by me) so I'm not sure what's wrong here. Just me again, or some minor issue with neko_seamonkey?)

I have gotten the same error on a Windows machine with Seamonkey, a wild guess is that this happens when one tries to install a new add-on made for the never Firefox 3 system on an old Semonkey?
I haven't verified my guess with testing but at least the problem is not specific to the Nekoware build of Seamonkey.
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cybercow wrote:
hey debug -> you surf ? :) ;) ...

No, just tried it out.

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