The collected works of ClassicHasClass - Page 7

A MultiMax with an OfficeMax! :lol:

That is a sexy beast. Do you know the specific model? I don't recognize it, but like I say, I dealt (briefly) with a later architecture.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Spare Fuel arrived. No hard disk (as expected). Incredible collection of dust bunnies on the interior and in the front bezel, and some very interesting and ominous nuclear testing stickers on it (moved to the main case as a curiosity factor).

After a heroic cleaning, buffing and recolour, the bezel is nearly perfect except for some minor shallow scrapes. And the door works. So I stuck it on the KVM and decided to see what other goodies it had.

- Despite having the same PROM version as my regular Fuel (bigred), i.e., 6.210, it reacts very differently and badly to the Aten USB-DVI KVM that bigred uses mostly happily. The mouse moves briefly and seizes, never to move again, though the keyboard works at least to the extent that I can press ENTER. I had to connect a PS/2 keyboard and mouse to get into the command monitor. It didn't matter which of the two ports it was connected to. There was a difference in firmware also; it gave me a slightly different and terser message when changing KVM focus in the PROM monitor (than bigred does).

- 512MB RAM, yawn. V10 graphics, yawn. 700MHz CPU, woohoo! So now I have a spare PIMM of the same speed. If someone wants a 600MHz spare card reasonably cheaply, PM.

- The SCSI card is an LSI 22320, but its SGI part number is 013-1994-001B, not -002.

- The tape drive is a Sony SDT-10000 DDS-4 drive. It seems to power up normally. I'll have to scare some tapes up out of storage. I should have some DDS-2 ones around here, at least.

On the whole, this should make a nice backup, but the PROM USB difference is puzzling. I'm going to move the SCSI card, tape and bezel to bigred when I get a round tuit.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 2GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Stoo, can you attach your source? I want to try it on this quad G5 (10.4.11) with a 7800GT.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Lay 'em down or stack 'em rack 'em!

Oh, stewardess, I speak jive.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Thanks, Stoo. Quad G5 (2x2x2.5GHz 970MP, nVidia 7800GT) on XQuartz 2.6.0 recompiled for 10.4.11:

Code:
bruce(3):/home/spectre/src/osx/% ./tenmillion.bin
running on bruce.floodgap.com (Generic) Wed May 29 06:40:14 2013
visual: 0x3e6
50 pixel triangles, 90 triangles/strip, 1 strips
vertex data: v3f
flat shading, zbuffer off, light off, texture off
window size: 476 x 476
test time: 1.951 secs.
time per frame: 0.325 msecs.
geometry rate: 2212556 triangles/sec
fill rate: 110.628 Mpixels/sec
bruce(3):/home/spectre/src/osx/% ./tenmillion.bin texture light smooth
running on bruce.floodgap.com (Generic) Wed May 29 06:40:23 2013
visual: 0x3e6
50 pixel triangles, 90 triangles/strip, 1 strips
vertex data: n3s t2s v3f
smooth shading, zbuffer off, light on, texture on
window size: 476 x 476
test time: 1.950 secs.
time per frame: 15.853 msecs.
geometry rate: 45418 triangles/sec
fill rate: 2.271 Mpixels/sec
bruce(3):/home/spectre/src/osx/% ./tenmillion.bin texture light smooth area=1000
running on bruce.floodgap.com (Generic) Wed May 29 06:40:37 2013
visual: 0x3e6
1000 pixel triangles, 36 triangles/strip, 1 strips
vertex data: n3s t2s v3f
smooth shading, zbuffer off, light on, texture on
window size: 850 x 850
test time: 1.935 secs.
time per frame: 113.840 msecs.
geometry rate: 2530 triangles/sec
fill rate: 2.530 Mpixels/sec
bruce(3):/home/spectre/src/osx/% ./tenmillion.bin zbuffer texture light smooth area=1000
running on bruce.floodgap.com (Generic) Wed May 29 06:44:16 2013
visual: 0x3e7
1000 pixel triangles, 36 triangles/strip, 1 strips
vertex data: n3s t2s v3f
smooth shading, zbuffer on, light on, texture on
window size: 850 x 850
test time: 1.935 secs.
time per frame: 120.949 msecs.
geometry rate: 2381 triangles/sec
fill rate: 2.381 Mpixels/sec


Not bad for an old tank with a so-so video card and an eight year old design.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Quote:
Your GL_Renderer string is generic, is it using your geforce ?


Huh, you're right. I'll have to fiddle with it. Maybe it's a limitation of 10.4.11. I didn't modify Stoo's source.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Nice. Until I got a new front bezel for my Fool, I closed it with discreetly hidden Velcro tabs, but I missed the clean lines and the spring.

It's interesting you mention the mouse-freeze-in-PROM problem. Is this a USB mouse? I don't have this problem with my regular Fuel, but my spare Fuel does exactly what you're describing. (It's fine with a PS/2 mouse.) The current thinking is this is related to the L1, since the PROM versions are the same.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
How hot does your POWER5 run and how many watts? I'm pretty good with POWER4, and I'm typing this on a G5, but I've never used a 5.

My personal POWER6 can get toasty, but throttled down through ASMI it "only" consumes around 300W (4.2GHz 2-way, RAID 5 + hot spare).
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
This guy!

Picked one up from a buddy in the southern Bay Area. It's an RM5230 (the original model). Gonna wipe it and put NetBSD on it, and use it as (what else?) an NFS server.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 800MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
I don't think it's that. My "behaving" Fuel is connected to an Aten KVM with an Apple USB Pro Keyboard and a Microsoft USB mouse, and it works fine with that, even mostly in the PROM monitor (except if you switch focus before Irix has started).

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
A bed-rack-mount! I like it. Mine's a deskside, and I have a house, so it sits in the server room. The baffle it came with dampens the noise quite a bit, especially the high-frequency whine.

ASMI doesn't know what the actual usage is, just what the power profile was set to. I measured mine with a Kill-A-Watt.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Installed the LSI SCSI card and the DAT drive. Both parts are SGI OEM (the SCSI card is an LSI 22320, but its SGI part number is 013-1994-001B, not -002, but I forgot to check what the SGI PN was for the DAT -- PROM calls it a Sony SDT-10000, though I expect it is actually an 11000). New hinv (being posted from the Fuel in Fx3.0.19):

Code:
Location: /hw/module/001c01/node
IP34 Board: barcode MRR478     part 030-1707-003 rev -H
Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/cpubus/0
IP34PIMM Board: barcode NJX299     part 030-1981-001 rev -A
Location: /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/13
ASTODY Board: barcode MZK157     part 030-1726-005 rev -A
Location: /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/14
IP34 Board: barcode MRR478     part 030-1707-003 rev -H
Location: /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/15
IP34 Board: barcode MRR478     part 030-1707-003 rev -H
1 700 MHZ IP35 Processor
CPU: MIPS R16000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.2
FPU: MIPS R16010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 2.2
CPU 0 at Module 001c01/Slot 0/Slice A: 700 Mhz MIPS R16000 Processor Chip (enabled)
Processor revision: 2.2. Scache: Size 4 MB Speed 350 Mhz  Tap 0xc
Main memory size: 2048 Mbytes
Instruction cache size: 32 Kbytes
Data cache size: 32 Kbytes
Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 4 Mbytes
Memory at Module 001c01/Slot 0: 2048 MB (enabled)
Bank 0 contains 512 MB (Standard) DIMMS (enabled)
Bank 1 contains 512 MB (Standard) DIMMS (enabled)
Bank 2 contains 512 MB (Standard) DIMMS (enabled)
Bank 3 contains 512 MB (Standard) DIMMS (enabled)
Integral SCSI controller 4: Version IEEE1394 SBP2
Integral SCSI controller 2: Version LS1030, low voltage differential
Integral SCSI controller 3: Version LS1030, low voltage differential
Integral SCSI controller 0: Version QL12160, low voltage differential
Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 (unit 1)
Tape drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 0: DAT
Integral SCSI controller 1: Version QL12160, single ended
CDROM: unit 6 on SCSI controller 1
IOC3/IOC4 serial port: tty1
IOC3/IOC4 serial port: tty2
IOC3 parallel port: plp1
Graphics board: V12
Integral Fast Ethernet: ef0, version 1, module 001c01, pci 4
Iris Audio Processor: version MAD revision 1, number 1
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1000, device 0x0030) PCI slot 1
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1000, device 0x0030) PCI slot 1
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1077, device 0x1216) PCI slot 1
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x104c, device 0x8024) PCI slot 2
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1412, device 0x1724) PCI slot 3
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x10a9, device 0x0003) PCI slot 4
PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x11c1, device 0x5802) PCI slot 5
HUB in Module 001c01/Slot 0: Revision 2 Speed 200.00 Mhz (enabled)
IP35prom in Module 001c01/Slot n0: Revision 6.210
DMediaPro DM10 FW option: unit 0, revision 1.1.0
USB controller: type OHCI
USB Human Interface Device: device id 0 type mouse
USB Human Interface Device: device id 0 type keyboard
USB Human Interface Device: device id 1 type mouse

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 2GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
The OS/2 Firefox port has run off the rails, though. It doesn't look like they're going to be able to jump to 17.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 2GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
And here's oulu saying hi to its previous owner (NetBSD can define a /dev/lcd):

http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1864

It's amazingly very power thrifty. At idle, 16W, at load, 21W. But it's essentially just a 150MHz R5K and NetBSD doesn't detect any L2, so stuff like Texapp brings it to its knees. My slow-by-any-other-standard 200MHz PPC 604e in the Apple Network Server runs rings around it, and the 1MB L2 probably makes more difference than the clock speed. On the other hand, the RaQ uses 1/6th the power.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 800MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
It's just going to be an NFS server for netbooting some of the exotics around here, which is entirely appropriate and within its capacity. At 16W most of the time, I'm considering just leaving it on and putting it in the server room. It generates very little heat.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 800MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Wrong namespace, maybe?

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
YAVF (Yet Another Vote For) neko_pango-1.28.4. Let my pangogo. Posting with it now.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
The bearings sound like they're trying to die on the microfan. That'll be the next thing to fix, and maybe a RAM bump.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 800MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Many ATMs here ran it back in the day. I saw a guy servicing one and it had booted to an OS/2 Warp desktop.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Whooee, comin' along!
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 800MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Maybe they'll make OpenVMS, you know, "open."

Ha! I thought that was a good joke too.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Yeah, I saw it as "Son of Cube" too.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Quote:
you'll note the best projects have a strong "bishop" (or would that be an elder?)


Which brings us back to the axiom that the most efficient form of government is a dictatorship, so we get BDFLs like Guido and Larry.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
R-ten-K wrote:
Axiom does not mean what you want it to mean...


But I'm pretty sure pedantic does.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
This sounds like a DEC joke, actually ...

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
I salute your devotion, sir!

Then again I'm using a port of Firefox on a now antiquated G5.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
And they say salesmanship is dead. :)

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
I'm thinking he wired his server room to the neighbour 's circuit. :)

Come to think of it, that's a pretty good idea ...

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
SheepShaver isn't much of a substitute for real work in OS 9, speaking as a heavy Classic user (for QuarkXPress, which I like the older version of, and a smattering of 68K applications and games). It'll freeze randomly sometimes just trying to install an operating system, and a lot of applications won't run in it. For certain specific programs it's fine, but it's a poor general solution. So I still use a quad G5 with 10.4.11 so I can run Classic, and I have an MDD G4 for booting into 9.2.2.

I bought an ARM Chromebook recently to play with and I was pleasantly impressed. It's plasticky and a bit flimsy-feeling, the LCD isn't so hot, and I/O options are by definition limited. And it's useless without a network connection, so I eventually sprang for the 3G. But it was inexpensive, I could run Ubuntu chrooted on it, it has insanely long battery life, it's fast enough (it appears to get similar benchmark numbers, interestingly, to my quad G5), and it's not x86. And ChromeOS isn't bad despite its limitations.

Other than that, I still use an iBook G4 and that suffices.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Actually, I can answer that: JavaScript has run-to-completion semantics (everywhere it's implemented, not just Gecko) dating back to Brendan Eich's sleepless nights at Netscape, meaning that you can't have simultaneous script actions running -- a previous action must complete before another can be done or coherency goes out the window.

If you're in an environment where every tab is a renderer instance independent of every other, then this doesn't matter, because every renderer instance has its own independent JavaScript environment and coherency is unimportant between the instances. This is classically associated with Chrome, but Gecko could even do this until 2.0 with native embedding (the most famous examples being Camino and K-Meleon, both undone when this feature was removed {IMHO ill-advisedly}).

However, XUL is content just like HTML, and Firefox and friends going back to the earliest days of XUL in Mozilla 0.mumble use JavaScript to interact with it. This allows some very powerful scripting and extension capabilities, but since browser tabs are just constructs within an overall XUL framework which a single rendering instance manages, the browser's chrome and the website's content must essentially cooperatively multitask with a single JavaScript VM. If content does a long or slow operation, then chrome has to wait (which is why the timeout dialogue was implemented, in C++).

For a time Mozilla was looking at allowing chrome its own thread so that the browser chrome wouldn't be bogged down by a slow content script, but this had a lot of limitations to keep it compatible with the existing model (see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... upersnappy ). They're now trying to resurrect the old Electrolysis multiprocess model, but I've heard that song before years ago. While Mobile Firefox uses a form of this, it sacrificed a lot of compatibility to make it possible, and I don't think that will be acceptable on the desktop.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
I'm sure it made sense at the time. But the actually bad decision was not to implement separate execution environments for chrome and content from the beginning.

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
WolvesOfTheNight wrote:
ClassicHasClass - Thanks for the note. On the off chance I feel like playing an older game I will just use an older computer. My other concern is a giant pile of older documents in appleworks 5.0 format that I don't want to loose the ability to easily read. How is read support for those on newer macs?


I actually haven't the foggiest. I imagine iWork can read them, but I don't know about the later versions you'd need to run on a more recent Intel Mac. If you need to run AppleWorks, it has to be on 10.6, because there's no Universal version even for AW6.

Quote:
Yea, an ARM crombook could be an option. But I would have to really research it. Whatever I get I want to be as non-cloud as possible. And I really don't want google, or anyone else, having access to all my personal documents.


That's why I run Ubuntu chrooted. ChromeOS doesn't even touch that mount; it runs within it like a chestburster that, upon command, springs fully formed from John Hurt's chest. :twisted:

Seriously, it greatly expands the usefulness of the machine. I have a throwaway account for ChromeOS, but within Ubuntu, I'm running Firefox and ssh. Still, it's definitely not optimal as a general purpose solution and it just so happens that just having network access will cover 90% of my mobile tasks (otherwise I use the iBook).

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Yeah, I don't trust SSDs either. They're getting better, but they still don't have the expected longevity I like yet. For throwaway computers I don't care, but all my long-life machines use spinning disks.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
I don't have a lot of personal experience with them, so I couldn't say. But I like the devils I know (spinning disk failure in, say, a RAID 5) than the devils I don't.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Ain't nothing finer than a fine naked Indigo with a gun. And that's all kinds of fine, even without a gun.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Now you're playing with power.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Always wanted to play with an HP 3000, but never got my hands on one. They sound like solid machines.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Code:
% sh testcpu
AIX uppsala 1 6 000C3N50R3D
2


This is, technically, correct -- there are two physical cores. However, AIX recognizes four logical CPUs because of SMT:

Code:
% iostat

System configuration: lcpu=4 drives=2 paths=1 vdisks=0

tty:      tin         tout    avg-cpu: % user % sys % idle % iowait
0.1         45.0                1.5   0.4   97.9      0.3

Disks:        % tm_act     Kbps      tps    Kb_read   Kb_wrtn
hdisk0           0.9      85.5       3.5   366793833  542291156
cd1              0.1       0.0       0.0          0         0
% vmstat

System configuration: lcpu=4 mem=7712MB

kthr    memory              page              faults        cpu
----- ----------- ------------------------ ------------ -----------
r  b   avm   fre  re  pi  po  fr   sr  cy  in   sy  cs us sy id wa
1  1 649184 49871   0   0   0   8   17   0  40  580 185  1  0 98  0


As for Tiger on PowerPC (quad processor ist demonstrandum),

Code:
% sh testcpu
Darwin bruce 8.11.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
4


I see kokoboi beat me to NetBSD, but it worked on my mac68k install also.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
LONDON IS DROWNING AND I LIVE BY THE RIVER

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smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
PC or Mac? I mean, Intel or PowerPC? Which specific model?

If it's Intel, which I assume, smcFanControl should work with it.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...