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mia wrote:
What was the selling argument for OS/2 other than real dos compatibility?
I understand that some applications must have been developed solely for this platform, such as SGI/Discreet, or OpenVMS/RDB for instance?


It was "the Windows" before Microsoft pulled out and started the later Windows Product family and IBM continued along with it.
Stability I guess might have been one selling point. I think another reason was "you can't be fired for buying IBM" rhetoric of the day.
I think at least two very large banks had OS/2 as the standard operating environment for decades.
At least one of them might still do.
I don't think anything on OS/2 passed as the "killer app" but people liked the multi-tasking and stability of it.

R.

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Many ATMs here ran it back in the day. I saw a guy servicing one and it had booted to an OS/2 Warp desktop.

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Thanks,

So finally, I'm thinking about using ecs (ecomstation) as a server, to which I would like to "remote desktop" to, is it something doable? On that or warp, from linux and irix?

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I have not touched OS/2 for a very long time, before Warp was out even but as far as I know this is how things went. I thought I saw something like desktop sharing a friend was demoing in OS/2 literally decades ago... I am a little vague about it and if I recall it was OS/2 to OS/2. Something like tech support desktop remote or something corporate sounding. A quick google and I saw something that looks like it might have been it... System View... http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg242596.pdf

Some people saw X11 running on UNIX and VMS machines and saw the ability to spawn windows on other machines, they created Citrix, Microsoft went into partnership with them and took the technology and created Microsoft Terminal Services. Now even though Citrix came up with the idea and the original tech, every time Citrix sells a product they have to sell Microsoft licenses and pay royalties. Something like that was paraphrased to me by a fellow Citrix employee when I worked at Citrix. As far as I know, Citrix MTS came after the break up between MSFT and IBM so if it exists in OS/2 or later versions, its a bolt on.

There are a few ports of FOSS I found after
http://os2ports.smedley.info/

And if I recall, Watcom the Open Source C++ compiler exists for OS/2, I think it was a pretty good compiler in its time. Probably doesn't have all the modern extensions though.

R.

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mia wrote:
What was the selling argument for OS/2 other than real dos compatibility?
I understand that some applications must have been developed solely for this platform, such as SGI/Discreet, or OpenVMS/RDB for instance?


In the early days it was that OS/2 provided a real protected protected mode graphical operating system. MS didn't go there until NT, and OS/2 was cheaper than a full UNIX with X11 (and, originally, would run on an AT).

OS/2 2.0 provided full 32-bit environment.

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SAQ wrote:
mia wrote:
What was the selling argument for OS/2 other than real dos compatibility?
I understand that some applications must have been developed solely for this platform, such as SGI/Discreet, or OpenVMS/RDB for instance?


In the early days it was that OS/2 provided a real protected protected mode graphical operating system. MS didn't go there until NT, and OS/2 was cheaper than a full UNIX with X11 (and, originally, would run on an AT).

OS/2 2.0 provided full 32-bit environment.


This is nice, I think I'm going to keep running it as a workstation, would you be able to point me to OS/2 friendly (or DOS or Win16) vt520 emulators (commercial or free)?

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mia wrote:
point me to OS/2 friendly (or DOS or Win16) vt520 emulators (commercial or free)?

Generally, hobbes is the place to start looking for os/2 stuff ... maybe ZOC ?

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/h-search.php?sh= ... os2%2Fapps

I thought there were some IBM terminal emulators that came with OS/2, too. If you want a 3270 using EBCDIC it's probably included :D

Not a terminal but kind of entertaining - here's a place still selling new graphical software for Windows 3.1 :P

http://www.pixvision.com/html/products.html

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mia wrote:
This is nice, I think I'm going to keep running it as a workstation, would you be able to point me to OS/2 friendly (or DOS or Win16) vt520 emulators (commercial or free)?

It's often good to check for the latest/last version of Kermit for a given platform. Kermit95 supports Windows back to at least NT, OS/2, and several others. It offers dozens of terminal emulations from ADM3A to Wyse 50, including the usual DEC suspects. But you also get telnet, ssh, Kerberos, and on and on.

Kermit95 page at The (Newish) Kermit Project .

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SAQ wrote:
OS/2 2.0 provided full 32-bit environment.

<nitpicking>
To be honest, the graphics engine (PMGPI) of 2.0 was still a 16-bit DLL, as the 32-bit rewrite could not be completed in time for the april '92 release. The 32-bit PMGPI shipped from 2.1 onwards.
</ntipicking>

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smj wrote:
mia wrote:
This is nice, I think I'm going to keep running it as a workstation, would you be able to point me to OS/2 friendly (or DOS or Win16) vt520 emulators (commercial or free)?

It's often good to check for the latest/last version of Kermit for a given platform. Kermit95 supports Windows back to at least NT, OS/2, and several others. It offers dozens of terminal emulations from ADM3A to Wyse 50, including the usual DEC suspects. But you also get telnet, ssh, Kerberos, and on and on.

Kermit95 page at The (Newish) Kermit Project .


Hm, that's a very good idea.

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What? No pictures?

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tingo wrote:
What? No pictures?


Of what? OS/2? See Toastytech: http://toastytech.com/guis/indexos2.html

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Hi.

The OS/2 and eComStation community hangs out at OS2World.com. eComStation is not a perfect OS and we lack some hardware support, but we are still fighting as a community to grow and gain more relevance.

A newer firefox version port is on the way but I can not say when it is going to be ready. https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2

Serenity System does not does much development this days on eComStation, the company supporting eComStation is Mensys located at the Netherlands. They are the ones that keep developing for this platform and releasing new versions of eComStation.

Something that is interesting is that Mensys does not have the full OS/2 source code. The good things about OS/2 is that is architecture was so well structured that almost everything can be be patched over the original implementation. This is one of the reasons why OS/2 keeps running today. I had tried to discuss OS/2 architecture on this blog: http://openwarp.blogspot.com/ (with a of other philosophical stuff).

I really hope that we can grow as a community and keep improving the platform. My dream is that one day we can have an open source OS/2 clone as ReacOS and Haiku OS are doing. (with Windows and BeOS).

Regards
SAQ wrote:
tingo wrote:
What? No pictures?


Of what? OS/2? See Toastytech: http://toastytech.com/guis/indexos2.html

This one might be more thorough :

http://www.os2museum.com/wp/

Michal was an early developer of Freetype2 , worked on the Scitech universal graphics drivers for OS/2 and was instrumental in the OpenWatcom deal, so he knows his stuff.

Holy digital, Batman ... go here and scroll down a ways ... I'm having a flashback :shock:

http://www.os2museum.com/wp/?page_id=1351

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tingo wrote:
What? No pictures?


I know, it's relatively sad to start an article on such a great OS and post no pictures. Truth is, I didn't find how to take pictures; but fear not, I've since got rid of eComStation on my x86 box, and will place it in VirtualBox, reason is, I like it and it would be a better fit there (for me). When this will be done, I'll post some pictures (VirtualBox's instances can be exported via a plethora of protocols, sadly, no vizserver).

Cheers!

PS: try the ecomstation bootable demo cd, it's fun.

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martiniturbide wrote:
Serenity System does not does much development this days on eComStation, the company supporting eComStation is Mensys located at the Netherlands. They are the ones that keep developing for this platform and releasing new versions of eComStation.


Ah, Mensys. The company that picked up PDP-11 stuff ages ago.

Perhaps they'll get OVMS now as well?

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SAQ wrote:
Ah, Mensys. The company that picked up PDP-11 stuff ages ago.

Perhaps they'll get OVMS now as well?

I think that was Mentec .

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