The collected works of mia - Page 1

Could you provide a link to the patch, I'm not able to locate it.


Thanks.
I read several posts about patch 5086, i.e.:

If one live-installs IRIX 6.5.21 on an Octane without applying patch 5086, it will kill the PROM, rendering you unable to boot the Octane anymore!


Question is:

Can I install 6.5.22, .23, .24 or .25 from scratch (newly formated disk) without worrying about these issues?

Thanks,
Jason
Please note that I forgot to mention that the Octane was running 6.5.19 before, therefore, it may have a prom = or older than 6.5.19.


Jason
unixmuseum wrote: 5086 applies to swmgr installations, i.e. installations you're performing while the machine is up and running, logged as a user with privileges to install software... It doesn't apply to installations done by directly booting off the CDs, so you're OK...


I assume this works for netinstalls too, right? Therefore I should be safe. Another question, after installation of 6.5.x (with x>=22) do I need to apply 5086, or does it comes with the base?
Great, thanks, that's all I needed to know...


Jason
That's no problem, I have stacks of irix distributions, I may have about 30 packs with each version from 6.5 to 6.5.25, and we're receiving 30 new packs of each release, most of them are getting thrown away tho.

Anyway, thanks, for some reasons, everytime I install irix, I get conflicts between java and whatever other java component, maybe I should not tell inst to install the application CD with the core.


Jason
Brombear wrote:
Jason wrote: That's no problem, I have stacks of irix distributions, I may have about 30 packs with each version from 6.5 to 6.5.25, and we're receiving 30 new packs of each release, most of them are getting thrown away tho.


You may consider sending all the unneeded ones cod to me :D I once did something similiar sending several sets directly to the trash can ... after I learned that a lot of people are looking for them I could have kicked my own butt

Matthias


Unfortunately they are the company's property, we are allowed to trash'em, but not sell/give them. In any case, I'm pretty sure everybody downloads them from support.sgi.com, no?


Jason
barefoot wrote:
Jason wrote:
Brombear wrote:
Jason wrote: That's no problem, I have stacks of irix distributions, I may have about 30 packs with each version from 6.5 to 6.5.25, and we're receiving 30 new packs of each release, most of them are getting thrown away tho.


You may consider sending all the unneeded ones cod to me :D I once did something similiar sending several sets directly to the trash can ... after I learned that a lot of people are looking for them I could have kicked my own butt

Matthias


Unfortunately they are the company's property, we are allowed to trash'em, but not sell/give them. In any case, I'm pretty sure everybody downloads them from support.sgi.com, no?


Jason


It's a real hassle to turn them into bootable cds though (assuming one has a compatible cd writer to start with).

Cheers


I usually find it faster to do netinstalls, no time spent reading the CDs, and inserting 10+ CDs in a particular order...


Jason
Well I don't know if you already coded something that uses Motif widgets, but it's really shitty. GTK produces a better job (mmm, antialiased fonts, greater flexibility, it's free, etc.) and it's SO MUCH easier to develop with it!

Please note that I never coded anything with QT, but I'm sure it's at least as great as GTK.


Jason
ruckusman wrote: If we could get some inside help from someone at SGI then we could probably make the required PROM modifications for the RM7900 at 835 and 900 MHz.


I don't want to offend you but do you believe in Santa Claus too? :)


Jason
I got a 600Mhz mod from chicagojoe a little while ago, everything works fine and I'm really happy about it, and Joe sure did a great job (btw: thanks Joe!)

If your application needs an O2 (and for instance its cheap video in/out capabilities, or 2D capabilities, or picture editing capabilities -roam or whatever-), or you already have the licenses (Jaleo, whatever) and everything, do it. If you're not sure of short in money, go with an octane, am octane v6+r12k will be cheaper than an O2 mod upgrade. Keep that in mind when you do the check.

However, a 600Mhz O2 is a very nice thing to own, and it surely makes ppl jealous.


Jason
87Porsche wrote:


Way cool to see that Maya works on so many different SGI/mips configurations.
Who buys UNIX workstations anymore?

- Clueful and Rich people.
I just wish SGI wasn't selling so much to governement dummies (they don't really know how to use computers so they need support contract, can't have them use an opensource OS, they wouldn't be able to install/configure it, or even recompile/modify a kernel) that would seriously reduce the taxes we all have to pay.
Last time I attended a dinner with some members of a very well known agency, it was like: "Damn, what can we buy this year, we already have thousands of nodes collecting dust, if we don't buy anything over a few hundred million dollars, next year we're not going to get any funding." Well, I guess that's a good thing for SGI federal, bad thing for 250.000,000 tax payers.

Oh, yeah, and the dinner was great too, thank you tax payers, I think I'm going to get more of this 1998 Chateau Sauvergnon and some of this cheesecake as well. Put it on the government's tab, thanks.

This is unfortunately true (but the wine and cheesecake.)

And who cares about hubble, it's watching the sky, no terrorists there, therefore, we don't need it, if only they could make it do a U-turn and watch iraq, damn that would get a hell of a funding. More cheesecake please.
stuart wrote:
nvukovlj wrote:
Can you give me the parameters that you have used (and on what process) in order that I recreate the same environment ?


strace is available from http://freeware.sgi.com/ , and I ran:
Code:
strace -vvfFtTs 1024 -o /usr/tmp/LW.strace /usr/lightwave/bin/LW

... and then immediately selected Load, Save, or Save As from the File menu. The output file can then be searched for instances of "fsel".

In terms of the file in /tmp/, perhaps the best way to grab it is to write a quick script or program to output its contents whenever it changes - perhaps "tail -F /tmp/fsel.result"?


FAM!

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi ... 266-PARENT

it's just fun to think that linux just got inotify (it's not even in vanilla yet, it's still a kernel patch at this point), while irix had FAM for half a decade...

Oh, but of course only Ghz matters these days... heh.


Mia.
Oh, I see what the issue is, it should be fairly easy to replace fsel with
another file selection box. Please do me a favor and try this:

1) backup your original fsel (which should be located in /usr/lightwave/Bin
(as root) cd /usr/lightwave/Bin ; mv fsel fsel.orig (for example)

2) download the fsel replacement: http://www.eskimo.com/~jibanes/fsel

3) copy the fsel replacement where it belongs
(as root) cp fsel /usr/lightwave/Bin/fsel

4) chmod it to 755
(as root) chmod 755 /usr/lightwave/Bin/fsel

5) make sure /usr/lightwave/Bin is in your PATH
(for example with bourne shells: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lightwave/Bin
with c-shells setenv PATH $PATH:/usr/lightwave/Bin ... or something
similar)

When you want to load a file, just select load in Lightwave, then click on the
button, and pick your file, do the same to save, it works for me with 6.5.27
and lightwave 5.6. Please let me know if you have issues with it. Good luck.
J.L.Piccard wrote:
Thank's Mia, now LW 5.6 works propely under my Irix 6.5.24f.
One more thank you for link to new version of "fsel" :lol: !!
Regards,
Piccard


Thanks, I coded it myself, a 2 minutes job, which explains why it's so ugly. I can't promise I would do a nicer version since I'm really too busy these days... maybe if I can find the time someday. I'm glad it worked for you tho.
lewis wrote:
mia, you know SGI have donated FAM to Linux, right?

http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam

:)


Woa, that's big, I didn't know.
stuart wrote:
mia wrote:
Thanks, I coded it myself, a 2 minutes job, which explains why it's so ugly. I can't promise I would do a nicer version since I'm really too busy these days... maybe if I can find the time someday. I'm glad it worked for you tho.


Could you post your source?


Oh, I would need to clean it first, it's really nasty in there, I really did it fast.
Several people reported success, so I think you've done something wrong.


Mia
dir_marillion wrote:
I installed Lightwave demo, then I replaced fsel (I backup-ed the original). I made the chmod and I run the command SETUPLW, I loged-out and then csh and my lightwave still has not save (of course it is the demo version still) or load. To be honest, I formatted my hard disk last week, in which lightwave had not also save/load. I thought that it could help, but nothing.

I beleive that maybe the problem is that I use 6.5.22 on a R4400/250 which is mips3 processor and maybe the fsel compiled for mips4 processors... or the 6.5.22 has differences from under versions, but I do not have other original IRIX CDs, only 6.5.22.

May I do any changes to fsel, and with which program ?


I forgot to mention this is for the FULL version, not the demo one.
dir_marillion wrote:
Excuse me, why the Demo version has the load option enabled (with NewTek's fsel) in IRIX 6.5 ?

The Demo perhaps is not the problem.


The demo version can load but not save.
dir_marillion wrote:
No problem with the save at this point, the load matters. Actually Lightwave tries to do something at "load" (CPU forces to do something but fails).


I'm not sure what's going on, do you need a mips-3 version of fsel, is that what you're asking for?
dir_marillion wrote:
Yes, If you could compile (for Mips3), it would be nice, to check it if this fsel works to my R4400.

And of course you could give our R4xxx a new life :D

Then I will inform you for the news. I think that Mips3 version should work nice to Mips4 processors, so you can keep this version for use with R4xxx processors and up.


I have no clue if I still have the source code for this thing, I really don't know, I'd imagine I didn't keep it as it was only 200 lines long or so.
dir_marillion wrote:
Ok mia, no problem, as you had made changes to the code of fsel, do you remember with which file you had opened the file fsel ? (I mean with a text editor or with a decompiler ?).

Is fsel Newtek's part of Lightwave or it is an external file selector that can be replaced by an other file selector ?

(It's unbelievable that I cannot make use of Lightwave due to the file selector :lol: )


Wow, I really don't remember, I think I took the original version of fsel, I looked at it and rewrote a new version of it that works, but I forgot what I had to change to make it work. In any case the first thing you need to do is to get the full version of lightwave, then I should eventually be able to rewrite fsel for you, I'll have to take a look at it, but last time took me no more than 2 minutes so it has to be some obvious thing, although I don't remember what at the top of my head.
For a while I was kinda hesitant buying one of these, especially considering the cost of the media. Now that blu-ray is *almost* available, I really don't see the point of this, the MO reader is afordable, but the media is so darn expensive. I don't see the application for this.

Storage? Hard drives are Waaay less expensive, even scsi ones.
Archival? Can't beat a tape or few dvds.
Folks,

I have an old fuel somewhere that's perfectly working. Unfortunately the case is completely trashed, the door's borken, the sides have huge bumps etc. The fuel itself runs like a charm.

I do not feel like transplanting the contents in yet another fuel case, I just don't like them so much, I was wondering if someone knew of a peecee case that looks nice and that would work just fine to host a Fuel motherboard, a v12, few pci cards and few other goodies.

Let me know, thanks a million,
Mia
This is indeed great!

Let me know if you happen to find something that works. I guess I could run my fuel headless as well, but having a v12 output wouldn't be a bad thing either!

Headless would be a good start anyway, let me know if you find anything that could host the goodies.


Mia
:Onyx2:
I have a fuel, I can take a look at this.


Mia
:Onyx2:
Sure, why not.

I couldn't find the time to do this today (yet another crazy day at work) but it's something that I will look into in the next few days. I do also happen to have a camera, so that should be no problem. This project is certainly interesting in several ways, one of them is that I've always wanted to put more than 2 drives in my Fuel, therefore a better case would be preferable.

I know somebody that did this with a Sun Blade, the result may not be what you were hoping for:

http://unixconsult.org/frankenstein/


Mia
:Onyx2:
This is indeed a very good idea, an G5 case would be a fine thing as well.


Mia
:Onyx2:
I'm still working on this, I'll update this week.


Mia
:Onyx2:
loonvf wrote: Hi mia,

Keep up the good work.
I expect the motherboard to arrive this week so it would be very cool if the PSU connections are measured by then ;)

All the best,


Will do, I think I might be going back to SGI for non obvious reasons, so I have to do this anyway. I left the scene for over a year (way too much work) but I'm back.


Mia
:Onyx2:
I've looked at it real fast and it's doable, but it's not going to be easy.

PDU is no problem, it *seems* non standard pinout, but I would imagine it's relatively easy to modify an existing one to make it a fuel pdu, more on that later. I don't expect any difficulty there, the dimensions looked standard.

Motherboard is non standard size, mostly because of the cpu module, I believe it would be possible to locate in a standard case with a few extra holes, I yet have to find the right case, but I'm confident this will work. Cooling is another problem.

Picture (not from me) of the cpu module there: http://www.schrotthal.de/sgi/fuel/FUEL_6.html

Video (v10 or v12) might be tricky, I still have to crack it open to take a better look at it (didn't have the time today) that's still the major unknown, but I expect a happy outcome.

All in all, it sounds doable, I don't expect the final product to be smaller than a regular Fuel. I intend to take the whole fuel apart so I can start measuring stuff and try to find a proper case. The airflow will have to be redone entirely (using fans or liquid cooling). Using a G5 case is very unlikely to work.

I'm still looking into all that, more to come this week, it's not going to be easy. Let me know if you have some good ideas for casing, G5 wouldn't work (too small). I've considered rackmount, but it's not cool for a desktop. Also liquid cooling would be preferred to try to reduce possible noise.


Mia
:Onyx2:
I took everything out, from motherboard to video card and power supply to measure things. From what I see, it seems doable.


Mia
:Onyx2:
The mobo is 14'5 by 16 that's huge.
:Onyx2:
Okay, I bought a case, it's a little ugly, but it might work. I don't really know if it will, we'll see when I get it I guess. It's ground shipping, so it might take a week to show up. I'm not sure I want to tell you which case I bought at this point (it's not SGI or Apple, it's some crappy PC case maker) so you'll just have to wait for the pictures :)

If this doesn't work, I'll just build a pc out of this case or resell it, no big deal. The fuel was all taken apart, and parts were cleaned up.

This case I just bought is just experimental, if it works, I'll try to find some better looking one, we'll see. This is quite fun anyway. This case is certainly not as good looking as some SGI product, but that's not my primary concern at this point, it's a part of a much bigger project.


Mia
:Onyx2:
While I will be waiting for this new case, I plan to study the cooling part. I intend to replace the original heatsinks, I have not yet decided if this will go water cooling or air cooling. One think I've considered is that the original Fuel PDU is 450W, I may try to replace it with something else; I will as well study the pinout.


Mia
:Onyx2: