The collected works of smj - Page 13

They had an Origin 200 and either a second unit or expansion box at Weirdstuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale a couple months ago, and had been there since a previous visit a month or two prior. They were on the floor under the shelving with all the KVMs in the "main room," all the way at the right end just before you cross into the "back room" (I include that in case somebody decides to call and they need a hint where it was, as much as for anybody local).

They are/were pretty out-of-the-way, so they might well still be there... Don't recall how much plastic was on them, but there was some RAM inside the one on the outside. Probably not one of the fancy front covers that I've only seen in pictures or I'd remember...

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Nostalgia and fetishism, I'd say. I was exposed to SGI and other high-end graphics systems when a college friend went to work for a company that made realtime* graphics/UI toolkits, and so had a couple of everything they supported - including SGI 4D and Personal IRIS systems. The SGIs stood out, even in that rich mix, as being exotic, responsive, and fun to use.

So it's mostly about getting to work with systems I wanted to but didn't get a chance to work with when they were current, but not in any serious way (so far) in terms of developing anything. Seeing how the later NUMA systems are configured and operate has been interesting, but as R-ten-K would point out Moore's Law has left them behind in terms of unit cost for doing "useful work."

* The toolkit(s) were available on systems which claimed realtime capabilities like Masscomp and DEC, as well as graphics-focused outfits like Apollo, Intergraph and SGI, all the way to "mundane" workstation providers like HP and Sun. So my encounter with them started around 1988, but the company (VI Corporation) had already been launched, crashed, and resurrected once at that point, and was still extant in the late 1990s at least. At some point it was renamed for the main product DataViews, then possibly acquired by GE.
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hamei wrote:
smj wrote: ... Moore's Law has left them behind in terms of unit cost for doing "useful work."
How do you deal with the Developer's Law that says no matter how many new transistors the hardware guys can stick into a device, the developers will double the requirements twice as fast ? :P

btw, what is our definition of "useful work" ? :P :P :P
What I meant was with respect to the NUMA machines, if I need to scale up the CPU cycles and bandwidth, I can probably get more with a lower electricity bill using newer commodity gear than if I try to scale up using Origin or Altix/Itanium. It's an unfair comparison in most respects, since both were discontinued a while ago, but...

Yes like the old saying goes, your needs will expand to consume all available resources. I don't dispute the bloat that comes along with modern desktops. Hell, I'm sure you can dig up threads where I rant about them. OTOH this Crunchbang Linux installation with the Openbox window manager helps rein it in where it can. A lot of the appeal comes from the ways it's similar to classic workstation windowing environments like 4Dwm...

vishnu wrote: Back in the day, when sgi was market capped at 5-billion plus, it was the only architecture that could run applications like Pro/E and Maya.
The apps mia mentioned are great, and are certainly just as capable today as when they were released. (Unless you can't get the license key issued, as mentioned recently in another thread.) Wasn't trying to take anything away from that - I'd love to see things getting released that were built with them, on SGI gear. Who knows, maybe one day I'll get around to it...
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What the heck, I found a photo of the units at Weirdstuff on my phone when I was cleaning up. The price tags read $100, but if they're still sitting there that's probably negotiable if you're there in person. YMMV.

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Another PC2700R DIMM that does not appear to work in an Altix 350:

gigaram
128MX72 PC2700 CL2.5 ECC REG
GR75020-E1GB/333/MTL
R372-022-1A (DDR333 DRAM)


I also mistakenly picked up was sent four Samsung 2GB M3125720... instead of the pictured Infineon parts, because both had HP part number 331563-051 - which I believe I've also seen on the known-bad Micron MT36... parts. So anything with that HP P/N is probably out, and odds are high any adjacent P/N in different capacity is suspect as well.

I have some Elpida parts coming to try, and some Kingston. And some Micron MT18VDDF12872 G parts which I'm now more dubious of, since they carry HP P/N 331562-051...
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2.5" SCSI drives w/ SCA connectors were a later feature in server systems. I believe earlier 2.5" SCSI drives in the likes of DEC Multia, Sun Voyager, Powerbook(s) and Sparkbook(s) used more traditional connectors.

Here's Geoman's posting about fitting a Savvio 2.5" SCSI drive to an Onyx2/Octane style carrier: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16724686

mmk's later post about oing something similar with an Indigo2: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16725275

I later did the same: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16720465&p=7359832#p7359832
(The drives I picked up were relabeled by IBM, like the auction you linked to.)
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SAQ wrote: ... but I think your average desktop Fast/Narrow system would be a bit wasted on a Seagate Savvio.

It may well be, but $10-20 for a drive, $5 for the 50/68 pin adapter, and another $5 for bracket is often cheaper than a period-correct SCSI drive if you can find one that works well... And for how much longer will it keep working? Nice to have a strategy for replacement.

The smaller 2.5" device makes fitting the drive plus adapter into older systems easier. Thus this combo may make it possible to more easily and affordably maintain functionality and outward originality.

You're right about them being difficult to align for 3.5" SCA applications, but those drives are still easy to find and likely to work.
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It can also be a pain. Many 2.5" to 3.5" adapters don't have all the mounting points they "should" - for example, the bracket I ordered didn't have the bottom-mounted threads I needed for an Indigo2 sled. Sure I've got suitable drill bits and a basic tap & die kit, but still...
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cURL isn't SGI specific, but I'm betting there is a Nekoware package for it. Perhaps you don't have it installed, or you may have found another version mismatch...
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A three-years-running thread, wow. Happy holidays, all! And surprisingly I haven't lost interest in Nekochan/SGI/IRIX ye-- Oh look, a squirrel!
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Any such information is always appreciated. Thanks for offering to share what you learned.
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These are silly, but... Unlike duck, this was on a UPS along with the WiFi AP, and all it did was control the lights via X10. Soekris net4501, 486-class Geode CPU @ 133MHz.

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Tue Oct  1 16:53:30 PDT 2013
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That's awesome, looks good! Thanks for sharing the model through Thingiverse.
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I followed the link and started temporarily enabling Javascript from the cryptically named domains, and it eventually came up with the same message - I think the image really was deleted vs. any browser-related failure. (The point about hosted images still stands, of course.)
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For the good of the community, I'm willing to fill the gap and perform IRIX OS upgrades onsite for $1,800 (pp. 126 - plus travel and expenses, of course). As a special consideration, I'll even honor the second/additional system pricing of $600 per system. :D
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I forget if I heard about the video, or the article he referenced, but this has been making the rounds here recently.

In addition, the program Frontline from WGBH Boston recently showed Douglas Rushkoff's short documentary (or a short version of same) "Generation Like," which looks at how and why teens engage in social media. A large part of this has to do with figuring out what's going on with the whole "like" economy. Generation Like ( alternate link )
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Indeed hamei, that's the result of Google being successful at capturing ad revenue, and everybody trying to game plain old web search. No social media required, been that way a long time though I'm sure it's gotten incrementally worse. Hell, I see that it has every time I search for a part number...

A quibble with robespierre in that Web 2.0 - remember that was 10+ years ago now - was more focused on user-contributed content and collaboration in the rating and ranking space - using up-voting, tags, stars, etc to help steer search or information discovery. Think of del.icio.us, Digg, Slashdot, StumbleUpon, etc. Monetization was still mostly at the display ad stage, and any gaming was still mostly focused on ad impressions and clicks.

And that's the distinction I'd make between that "social sharing" era as amateur hour compared to where Facebook, Youtube, and the new advertising tech firms have taken "likes" over the past ~5 years. It's a full blown ecosystem that's developed not just support from the ad industry, but a potential or partial takeover *of* the ad industry by those who've helped develop the current Like Economy.
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Take care, Jimmer. Was pleased to be reminded of Transmetropolitan when I first spotted your avatar.

Be happy to see you come around again later, if it's in the cards.
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In addition to being solid, workhorse serial terminals IIRC these have dual session support. Meaning this could be the console for two different systems and you can flip back and forth between the two with no additional hardware. Wouldn't trade mine.
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Guys, don't throw out the old Dallas chips! A good solution - eventually the only solution - will be to cut the traces to the internal cell and fit an external battery.

We've been here a few times before...


Be sure to adjust for the specifics of the device in question, but this should apply to most models with some slight (but important) variations.
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vishnu wrote: The reverse engineering has been done already! Dang I was so looking forward to doing that... :lol:

Well funny you should mention that, I didn't see any guides that specifically addressed the DS1742. And the datasheet describes a 24 pin package with all pins in use, so clearly it isn't the same as reworking the older DS1287/1387 devices.

There's still room for you to blaze a trail, I think! :mrgreen:
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ajw99uk wrote: - 6.5.22m overlays and patches from SGI supportfolio
- bigger disks, 2GB -> 9GB -> 18GB -> 36GB (the 2GB came 95% full, and the 36GB now has around 10GB free!)

From your description, it sounds as if you may have been duplicating one installed/updated IRIX installation across several disks. Did you use any of the guides here in the forum or in the Neko wiki ? If so which one was most helpful or did the trick for you? Or was it something external, like Ian Mapleson's site?

Just wondering if we could get a little feedback to improve local resources.

Thanks, and nice machine.
--Steve.
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... same as our corporate masters at $WORK halted the Vista rollout after a few thousand desktops, and decided to wait and move to Windows 7 instead. There will be some exceptions issued to run Windows 8 in specific circumstances, but the general herd of corporate users will skip to whatever follows, depending more on EOL/EOS deadlines, enterprise licensing costs, viability of alternatives, and whatever they print in InfoWorld or the Gartner report-du-jour the next time some C-level exec needs to look busy...
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There was a lot of talk about the Bring Your Own Device concept, with and without allowing the employee to expense the device, maybe just a fixed reimbursement amount. But they weren't ready for BYOD yet at the beginning of this year. They'd run a large pilot doing that for phones, but there were still over 50,000 corporate-owned Blackberry devices in use.

The place has on the order of a quarter million employees, so it's not a small matter either to implement or change direction on any of these things...
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Since recondas mentioned this thread in another post ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16728527 ), I went looking for these again. Searching for a Pioneer 30[45]s only found one $75 unit. Searching for CHC's "HP A9879-67001" part number netted two at an offer of $15 each, plus shipping.
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Ed: I couldn't possibly tell you where to start, manga was never my primary thing but was always in the ambient. I've noticed that every regular bookstore I've been in for the past ~5 years in the States has at least a small section for manga/graphic novels. Some used book stores carry them, and the closest one to my house will refer any inquiries to a game/comic shop up the road. Hopefully something in that gives you an idea of where you could get your hands on the "genuine article" locally.

I believe a *lot* changes when this stuff jumps the ocean, but I'll leave that to the folks who've spent time there or read them in the original.

Is there not something in the back posts in this sub-forum? I confess I haven't looked...
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I'm sure P8 will see great adoption. Having largely ignored POWER since 1999, what's the virtualization scene like? (Not that it was such a strong topic then, but I use it a lot now and am wondering about those whitebox servers...)
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ClassicHasClass wrote: AIX does virtualization very well (see: LPAR)

The only thing I really liked about AIX was the Running Man. The logical volume system was pretty cool when I first encountered it - probably the same year as your reference was posted to rec.humor.funny at a guess... And props to SMIT for giving the user a chance to learn the underlying commands, if they could be bothered.

Kira wrote: There's also PowerKVM, which is exactly what it says on the tin, and seems to be what IBM is pushing for most Linux workloads.

That would probably be the choice, then. Hmm, FreeBSD-PowerPC list shows stable netbooting of -CURRENT on an Intellistation 285 with POWER5+... :mrgreen:

ClassicHasClass wrote: I'm mostly an AIX thug though ("loves the jackboots," if you get the ancient reference ).

Ha! I didn't even remember that one before I started reading it, lo' these 22 years later. Sigh...
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duck wrote: If I may diverge from the food discussion

They were just using food as a vehicle for Pulp Fiction quotes. Much as people use french fries/pommes frites/frieten as a vehicle for salt and ketchup, mayonnaise, etc.

duck wrote: Up here it's practically impossible, the only decent source I know is in sweden (the famous science fiction bokhandeln)

For a brief moment I hoped this might have been a real-world inspiration for the movie Astrópía , but it looks very serious in comparison - which that movie definitely is not... (Not to mention being off by ~2,000 km).


Astrópía: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astr ópía
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duck wrote: I'm not sure how you made that connection, but the movie looks somewhat interesting...

The movie is very silly, but fun in a low-budget way. As for making the connection - probably requires large quantities of beer and having no memory at all of where the movie was set...
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Kudos! And neat that this announcement caught the attention of i_am_ralpht, who claims to have ported EP to OpenGL while at SGI. Has he contacted you outside of the comments/replies?
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Glad to hear this worked out relatively painlessly!
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Between jobs at the moment. Studied computer science as an undergrad. Worked as a sysadmin and programmer for many years. Last nine years spent as an email infrastructure architect/owner and team manager, then technologist/strategist for messaging, collaboration tools, social platforms at a global financial services firm.
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miod wrote: That's almost good enough to fill a business loto grid.

Certainly plenty of buzzword bingo over those years... Here, play along at home: Business Buzzword Bingo
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I thought things were reasonable re: UI up through 10.6, tolerable under 10.8.

At this rate, in another year or two my Mac Pro will look like a 3b1/UNIX PC with enormously higher resolution... (Super cheesy video about this total communications processor - mostly text windowing system shown at 7'00" to 8'15")
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commodorejohn wrote: Wait, hamei is a Chinese communist Jew? That's pretty niche, man.
I assume you deliberately misinterpreted the Holocaust reference in hope of laffs. Anyhoo...

So far as "niche" goes, you want The Dead Milkmen's Now Everbody's Me and the left-handed lesbian midget eskimo albino student union at about 2 minutes into the song.
Ye Dead Milkmen hath wrote: Now, I understand that some of you don't know Sarah Jane, so I'll tell
you a little bit about her. She's a lesbian Eskimo midget albino. She
went to college and she started the Lesbian midget Eskimo Albino
Student Union, and four hundred people signed up. There they were,
hundreds of 'em, lesbian midget left-handed Eskimo albinos. Did I
mention the fact that she's left-handed? She's left-handed, alright.
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Got the latest SGI Insider mailing yesterday, which claimed that sgi.com now had a "new and improved site design featur[ing] a high-tech inspired chrome logo." Really? Didn't this chrome plating happen a while ago? A quick search of the forums for "new logo" didn't turn up any mention in the past year, but...

Can't say the site redesign was particularly noticeable - in fact it reminds me of browsing site templates for Joomla and Drupal. (And if you don't enable Javascript for two other domains, en25.com and treehousei.com, it won't display properly in Firefox/Linux.) I had to go to the WayBack Machine to confirm that it had in fact changed...

Sample attached for reference. SGI's got a ZIP file of logos available for download .

SGI_logo_platinum_sml.png
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I've used 2.5" Seagate Savvio SCSI drives w/ 80 pin SCA connectors, added an 80<=>50 pin adaptor and a 2.5" - 3.5" mounting bracket, and fitted the entire assembly to an Indigo2 drive tray. I've got the pictures around here somewhere, waiting for a write-up...

I'm sure I've mentioned this in other threads, some of the inspiration came from a thread by Geoman about doing this for the Octane ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16724686 ), but I don't seem to have any of the other threads bookmarked.
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I hadn't thought the connectors were compatible with proper SCA - I thought they were inverted or something at minimum - but live and learn. Even so loose drives rattling around will work, but it's nice to use the sleds. You're going to be stuck with 10MBps SCSI either way. But if you secure the drive to the sled, in 2 months to 2 years from now when you move the machine you won't have to hear the sickening "thunk" to remember "Oh right, the drive is loose in there!" :D
Then? :IRIS3130: ... Now? :O3x02L: :A3504L: - :A3502L: :1600SW: +MLA :Fuel: :Octane2: :Octane: :Indigo2IMP: ... Other: DEC :BA213: :BA123: Sun , DG AViiON , NeXT :Cube:
Yes, SLES 9 + ProPack for the Prism, if you want graphics.

I got side-tracked on the whole question of what RAM works in the first-gen Altix systems ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16727949 ), but the Foundation Software and ProPack should give you NUMA tools, Performance Co-Pilot, and other fun system management/monitoring items.
Then? :IRIS3130: ... Now? :O3x02L: :A3504L: - :A3502L: :1600SW: +MLA :Fuel: :Octane2: :Octane: :Indigo2IMP: ... Other: DEC :BA213: :BA123: Sun , DG AViiON , NeXT :Cube: