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hi
my friend wants to sell all his SGI machine in order to buy an O2+, so he wants also to sell his Impact, which comes
- CPU R10K @ 195Mhz
- RAM 8 banks of 128Mbyte each, so 1Gbyte of ram
- GFX SolidImpact
- Phobos G160 GIO network interface (10/100mbit)
- Phobos E100 EISA network interface (10/100mbit)
- the chassis has been painted, and it looks without any scratches, like brand new
- chassis feeds

if anyone is interested, send me a P.M.

i don't know about shipping cost, it's very heavy

hamei wrote: I did exactly this and regret it to this day

why ?

My fiend wants an O2+/R12K @ 400Mhz, that CPU is faster than R10K @ 195Mhz, and the whole machine is smaller, less noisy and thinner. Impact has a better gfx, and you can't upgrade the gfx of O2, but … who cares about that ? I think if you want that, you'd better get an Octane2.

he loves this machine, as the fact he has spent a lot of time repainting the chassis (which really looks like brand new, no scratches, and brilliant color, the dye was done professionally, like car's dye, that was his first job, years ago), i have to take a few photos as soon as i get a digital camera), adding a ZIP SCSI drive (it is included in the first machine bay), a Toshiba 2x CDROM (included included in the second machine bay), searching for the Phobos, and so on.

The CDROM is able to drive CDs when the Impact stands in vertical (feeds provided), it has a special "holder" that is able to take the CD.


to tell you all the Truth … my friend has asked me to buy his machine - why don't you take it ? good price for you as we are friends
and … since then i have been thinking about that

i have an O2+/400Mhz, which i can carry on my car, i have an Octane2 which is too heavy so i am using it remotely, actually it is installed in the room under my father's roof (is "attic" the right UK word ?), i have an arduino connected to the PSU, and i have routed the "console" to the UART port, so the machine boots from the LAN, and then route everything to the LAN



completely remote control


so my friend asked - why don't you take it ? good price for you as we are friends -
I answered - because my IP30 is a pretty linux box, and a pretty Irix box, while IP28 (the Impact) is not so good with linux, but it is good with Irix -



O2+/R12K is not able to run linux at all, but it is a pretty and small machine
and i can change the main board, putting an R5K on, in this case it run linux

this is my O2+, the guy who sold me it … damaged the plastic case, so i have remove the plastic case and modified the chassis (removing all the iron for the CD bay) to stuff-clutter the less space than it can. I have also put on a PCI-USB NEC EHCI card, because i am adding this feature to Linux/IP32. Irix doesn't care about it.

for such a reason, as the fact my O2+ has an R12K cpu module, which is issues with Load/Store & Cache coherency, i have bought the following CPU module


R5K @ 200Mhz CPU module, it run linux without any coherency issue


my friend wants to buy something similar, he said … with the original SGI O2+ chassis

jan-jaap wrote: If you want a portable non-x86 Linux system, try a Raspberry Pi

about portable non-x86, i am developing Atheros MIPS32 SoC @ 800Mhz, they are MIPS, it is thinner like RPI.
SoC are chunk of integrated peripherals, SGI box are uncommon machine, e.g. the numa and che Xbox, so more exciting from the development point of view (linux).

i have a copy of SoftWindows95 but "inst" says it is corrupted, so i can't use it

i'd like to port my SierraC compiler under a dos box under Irix, so i'd like to have SoftWindows95

hi guys
i am confused a bit, i have a valid license (it should be) for such a software but the license manager is reporting it is not valid

what is uncommon: the license is not in /var/flexlm/license.dat, as it MUST be for MIPS PRO C compiler
the Alias Studio Paint v9.5's license seems to be in /var/flexlm/aw_SP.dat

is it possible ? is it correct ?

Alias Studio Paint v9.5 can't be launched by root, so i have login as guest, and the software is reporting me there is no valid license

what is uncommon: if i launch WordPefect by root account, it runs, if i launch WordPerfect by a guest account … it says there is no valid license X_____X


any idea ?
may be a network problem ?

i am using my friend IMPACT machine, which has 3 lan boards



ec0 is the built in lan, while gfe1 and fe0 are Phobos, i don't know them and they are not in use

hi guys
i do not understand the Pascal Compiler instal set. I have an official CD called "Pascal Compiler v1.3" which requires ""

when i launch "inst" it says there are "*.cmplrs_sw.base" dependencies, and i can't figure out which CD set has these dependencies

any idea ?

ok, so i can't use it on my Irix 6.5 box

is there any Pascal Compiler for Irix 6.5 ?

hi guys
i am using my friend's Impact machine, which comes with 3 lan
- lan0: builtin lan
- lan1: Phobos ISA
- lan2: Phobos GIO64

Irix seems to have issues with them, the desktop is working so slow.
My friend has configured lan0 as static IP 192.168.1.28, net mask 255.255.255.0, something that should be "common" for a workstation, lan1 and lan2 are not configured

first things: i can't put NIS off
second things: i get an incredible speedup in Destop tasks (1) if i put the network Off

i am trying to understand
1) how insane is to have 3 lan installed (i haven't understood why he has put them on)
2) if they can work


what do you think ? any suggestion ?

i am on IRIX 6.5.19




(1) Destop tasks: cliccking on "console" takes 10 second to open a console
if i put the network Off, it takes less than 1 second

on the boot login takes 20 second to display Destop icons
if i put the network Off, it takes less than 1 second

exactly, i need a Pascal Compiler for 6.5, also, in case it run, which CD does contain it ?
it may be i have to buy more CDs set

solved: the problem was related to the Phobos lan, physically removing the interface gfe1 fixes the jam and the system is now accepting the license

btw, the Impact R10K machine is for sale, if you want more information, ask my by P.M.

noth wrote: We know you're in Italy so it's shipping in Euros right?

i don't know, we could check together the best price solution, shipping within euro i think it should be something like 40 euro at least

noth wrote: Is that a Phobos G130 (EISA) or G160(GIO64) in it?

it has both, 2 boards, G130 and G160

also it has
- CDROM 2X
- Iomega Zip 100Mbyte
- extra fan

i have also found original CDs, they are drivers for the 2 lan boards

chicaneuk wrote: Thank-you! I recently acquired an R10K Indigo2 and immediately thought how much quicker it felt than my O2 which had a faster CPU (R12K 300MHz). Just a general all round level of snappiness and responsiveness - the O2 felt rather more old and out of shape in comparison.

i have a few news about that: it seems to that having 3 lan inside an IRIX box can cause a lot of issues if they are not configured in the right way (as my friend did); i have manually edited a lot of configuration files and now i am appreciating an incredible speed up

for example before editing file i had a desktop that takes 10 seconds to launch a console X______X, now i have an instantaneous reaction, i am shocked how fast it can go with the right script, and there are still a lot of things bad configured, i have noticed them routing the console to the serial line, e.g. daemons bad configured that take resources and time (i will remove them)

btw, i have launched Mathematica v5 for Unix on both machines (my O2+ R12K @ 400Mhz and on my friends R10K @ 195Mhz) and i was shocked about how fast the O2+ performs, it looks quite twice faster than Impact!

the reason why ? .. i think it is the just about the CPU clock (400Mhz vs ~200Mhz), i mean Mathematica is only a CPU task, there is no I/O, no gfx, just computation that can stay in cache, so having a difference of +200Mhz means completing things two time faster X______X

really shocked about that, but O2+ seems to be slow about load/store, i feel something like the more your application need to access the memory, the more the machine go slow. Also there is a gfx gap, so i launched Alias Wavefront (my friend used it for his previous job so we have samples to be used for benchmarks), i know this App uses the gfx very heavily, and as result in this case the Impact was impressively faster than O2+


I am Mathematica addicted, that is the reason why i feel the O2+ is faster than Impact, but it is just relative, perhaps, it is just related to Mathematica.

hi guys
i have found a IOMEGA 21Mbyte floptical diskette
i have no floptical drive, so i want to sell just the diskette @ ridiculous price

the main question: a super computer …. to do what ?

ahahah, that's fun

hi guys
i have the PSU (both electronics and plastic cover) of the HP9000 workstation model 712, it has been removed from a working unit and it's for sale.

hi guys
i have the PSU (electronic only) of the workstation HP9000 model 715. It's for sale.
also, i have still for sale the 715-EISA expansion bus, and a few rams for 64Mbyte each

hi guys
my friend has bought it as "replacement" part for his Indigo2/Impact, but never really used.
Ok, i have heavily tested it and the result is: 100% working!

i have also found a floptical 3.5" drive, it comes in a pretty shape but it is not working (i have tested now: DEAD), so if you also want it, just add +5 euro, it's good only for collection purpose

i wonder if someday we will se an INDY synthesized into fpga, this day we will have an IRIS laptop, or PDA.
Actually we do not have enough information about firmware and hardware, every SGI-hw emulators have been dropped
may be just a dream

where have you found the N64 kit for Indy ?

you have ++fans

btw, have you evaluated the last advanced machines ? Octane/fuel ?
maya is heavy for Impact. Be careful about that.

alexott wrote: Indy hardware seems to be most documented

well, we know something because SGI has released something (and more specifically about the gfx, for the most), but it is not enough.

alexott wrote: FPGA is really a panacea for an aging hardware. There are already FPGA clones of old Amiga models

the real problem is: we can't emulate a 200Mhz MIPS CPU plus its gfx pipe with a common cheap fpga (e.g. spartan6 by Xilinx), we need harder fpga (even if under the "enterprise level, e.g. Virtex by Xilinx), which are expensive. So, the resulting hw will go for 500 euro at least.

The MIST project is an example of relative cheap (200 euro) Amiga500 design plus C64 and a lot of 8 bit computers and console. It uses a cheap and common Cyclone* fpga by Altera.

seen now on ebay, sold on 2012 (@ 550 USD)

Nintendo Ultra 64 Dev Kit. SGI Indy Development Machine plus Orginial SDK
Item Sold

containing:
Silicon Graphics INDY R5000 Dev Workstation with
Ultra 64 Development Board (Vers 2.0 1995)
Full RAM, 2 HDD, 8 Bits Graphics Card...
plus September-August 2000 Original SDK with
Nintendo 64 OS/SGI Version 2.0L
Nintendo 64 OS/PC Version 2.0L
N64 Online Manuals 5.2
Developers Toolkit 5.2
N64 Developer Documents 5.2

so i can now imagine how this kit was composed

@mopar5150
it could be of interest for me, too

@Internet Fate
just my 50 cents, you want maya, right ? Maya eats ram and needs the support or a strong gfx
considering simply this

• Impact can have a max of 1Gbyte of ram (1), which is very expensive and hard to find, also you may need the Extreme Impact gfx, that is, again, expensive and hard to find
• Octane can have up to 4Gbyte of ram, and Octane2 can have up to 8Gbyte of ram, the gfx goes from Impact/SR to Odissey, it may be easier to find and you can get the whole with a good price with optimal performances

so, about that, the ratio performances/costs tells me: if you want Maya, then get an Octane2





(1) i have this kit in my friend's Impact, which is for sale. The consists of 8 SIM72 FP of 128Mbyte each, so 8x128=1Gbyte

@mopar5150
you have extremely beautiful systems, let me say

hi guys
i want to realize a pair of CDs pretty able to be read from Irix

i know

• mkisofs (under linux) can create an ISO
• Irix uses the Rock Ridge CD extension

so, combining these two information, is something like this ?

• miep, aims for emulating indy
• gxemu, aims for emulating O2

i think they come from a pure reverse engineering activity, something that deal with disassembly the PROM and trying to figure the hardware, and unfortunately, as result, they are not usable at all (miep is in its earlier stage, really it's more a proof of concept than a usable application)

about the kit price, we are talking about fpgas that costs 50 euro each, and we need 2 fpgas at least, so 100 euro of pure cost for fpga, then you have 300 euro of PCB, plus the service to solder components on PCB (you can't do it with hobbistic reflow station)

the result is …. a very expensive kit, and the problem about the price drop: you have to sell a lot of kits to drop the price, so i wander how many people could be interested in a portable IRIX laptop designed around MIPS32 core (which has to be evaluated carefully)

you cannot have R10K in this design: too heavy design, what you can have is a MIPS32 core within {50..400Mhz} (max 400Mhz means low-end enterprise fpga, and license for time analysis under FPGA synthesizer, which is out of the web pack free license )

btw, i am working on a MIPS R3000 soft core, it is written in VHDL, it has a pipeline, and it performs 40MIPS at 50Mhz of clock. It has a few hw bugs. I do not have any gfx, and numa scheme in mind, i have just a soft core running an assembly mini monitor

as gfx … i do not have a gfx, i have a VDU, something like Yamaha V9958 (from 8 bit Home Computers era, something like MSX2) , which is used as "text console", so no pipe, nothing do deal with the SGI graphics power. Unfortunately, and about me … the kernel of this "toy" will be "XINU".

petition is fine for me, too!

do you know a pretty way to make a efs iso ?

that's fine

also i am collecting benchmarks about the CPUs. I am used to put linux on SGI machine in order to run "nbench" (byte magazine benchmark). I have collected informations from different king of CPUs. HPPA, MIPS, ARM, and so on.

i think will open a thread with this informations.

edit:
thread about nbench benchmark (cpu only benchmark) opened here

foetz wrote: a gfx card that's called extreme. that was the top shot before the impact series has been released

sure, it exists, my friend had it installed in his Indigo2 workstation , that's insane so he decided to sell mainly because the gfx eats too many slots in the backplane and also eats too much energy, and it was also a problem for me because we want to support linux, so my friend sold it out, and he bought a "SolidImpact gfx" (the cheapest one) which fits in 1 slot, eats less energy, and it's a bit easier to be driven.

After having experimented Octane2 we both think that "Octane2/Odissey-gfx" is the better choice about the ratio performances/costs

btw, i have a combo and very uncommon choice in my Octane2: i have mixed the Odissey v6 with the MSI, i have to gfx-boards mounted in the same slice (Octane chassis allows it without any hack, just mount the MSI into a XIO free slot), so from the linux kernel point of view they are just two XIO24 device that CANNOT be used tougher, o i used to drive the desk using a "dynamic modules" approach

the kernel is static-compiled in order to have everything it needs to boot up with the console routed to the serial line, then i load the module i want to use

• i want the V6 ? i type "modprobe gfx-odissey" (which is usable ONLY for text console purposes, no X11 support)
• i want the Impact/PRO (MSI) ? i type "mod probe gfx-impact-sr.mod" (which can be used for X11 purposes)

Irix simply ignores the Odissey-V6 and boots from MSI, that is NOT a good choice if you want to use Irix. I have to think about a workaround, or buy a second Octane machine to be equipped with the Odissey gfx and to be dedicated to Irix only.


what i remember about "extreme" comes from here

Extreme Graphics is a computer graphics architecture for Silicon Graphics computer workstations. Extreme Graphics was developed in 1993 and was available as a high-end graphics option on workstations such as the Indigo2, released during the mid-1990s. Extreme Graphics gives the workstation real-time 2D and 3D graphics rendering capability similar to that of even high-end PCs made many years after Extreme's introduction, with the exception of texture rendering which is performed in |software. Extreme Graphics systems consist of eight Geometry Engines and two Raster Engines, twice as many units as the Elan/XZ graphics used in the Indy, Indigo, and Indigo2. The eight geometry engines are rated at 256 MFLOPS maximum, far faster than the MIPS R4400 CPU used in the workstation.

Extreme Graphics consists of five graphics subsystems: the Command Engine, Geometry Subsystem, Raster Engine, framebuffer and Display Subsystem. [1] Extreme Graphics can produce resolutions up to 1280 x 1024 pixels with 24-bit color and can also process unencoded NTSC and PAL analog television signals. It is reported by the PROM as GU1-Extreme.

The Extreme Graphics architecture was superseded by SGI's IMPACT graphics architecture in 1995.

Graphics
The graphics boards available for the Indigo2 were the pre-IMPACT Newport and Express boards (which included the SGI XL24, SGI XZ, SGI Elan and SGI Extreme) and the MGRAS IMPACT boards (the SGI Solid IMPACT, the SGI High IMPACT, the SGI High IMPACT AA, and the SGI Maximum IMPACT). IMPACT graphics is not supported by the Power Indigo² (R8000 CPU). The Indigo2's replacement, the SGI Octane, offered an upgraded bus but featured the same graphics options, albeit in repackaged form.

more info from this page

so i was wrong, the Extreme seems to be related to Indigo2/R4400, the Indigo2/R10k should have the Maximum IMPACT gfx ( i have confused these two, sorry), or whatever SGI wants to call its gfx-new line. My friend had the Extreme Graphics installed into a Indigo2/R10K, don't ask my why, btw see how Silicon Graphics SGI Indigo2 Maximum IMPACT GFX Card performs, a few demo from the SGI demos

About costs … don't think my friend want to sell his Impact machine at a price you can't buy an Octane: from my point of view, it's insane, but … and i can't drop the price as his Impact is not mine.


Just my suggestion: buy an Octane, you will save money and you will have better performance, i mean a best ratio performances/costs

here it is a photo of what i am talking about

robespierre wrote: These drives are not the most reliable. But they are not that advanced either, so repair is possible

i can't say if the damage is in the electronic or in the mechanical stuff, i can say that HINV is recognizing the floppy driver, but the floppy is not able to read a floppy/floptical (it can read/write both, it is written on the label), also i find very difficult to insert a floppy in the unit, so … i guess how to repair the mechanics in case it is the reason why the driver is not working, or how to repair the electronic part in case a chip is died. Have you to unsolder things ? ok, it could be done with a rework station (hot air + unsolder gun), but what about the replacement chips ?

to short up my question: are you really sure it can be fixed ? i want to sell it out as "collectable object" proved (as i tested it) to be not working.

this floptical drive is my friend's, and i have noticed he has replace the unit with a iomega zip/scsi of 100Mbyte. In case you need a removable SCSI unit, it may be he has a other Iomega/ZIP scsi, perhaps external unit (which should look like the parallel port one, i mean a plastic box with a cable, instead of a unit to be mounted into a sled)

FlasBurn wrote: So what do you want for the diskette + drive + shipping to Germany?

ridiculous price as from my point of view the floppy driver is not working: 10 euro for the whole, both floptical disk and floppy driver
but the real problem is: the shipping

i have asked these shipping agency guys (local italian shipping agency) and they always replied me that the minimal cost to europe is 19.90 euro even if the parcel is smaller and under 1Kg, as in this case X_____X

if you have any other good idea, let me know
else way the total is 30 euro shipped

four pins missing, completely missing, and I wonder if it can be repaired