The collected works of guardian452 - Page 14

Octane graphics boards have a hurricane of air flowing over them especially in slot A and B... D is the worst and will force fastfan on. Not sure what you mean by 'no active cooling'. Are your fans working? The big one on the bottom is most important, but you should also feel air sucked in the lower front grille (the frontplane) and the top rear fan (the hdds)
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
shyouko wrote: Genius, as printed on my business card.

But they hire too many idiots, so I'm quitting.

Ha! mine says "emperor of electrons" (really an EE). Although, I think I would only be an executor or grand vizier under Vishnu, as he probably deals with more electrons than me :mrgreen:

After working for a few different EV builders, I'm finally at one that is both (A) successful at selling cars (B) actually paying me and (C) privately funded. (Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice... ) The automotive landscape is littered with the dead bodies of electric car builders, nice to be in with a live one again :P

And no, I believe in as much shameless advertising/plugging as possible. 8-)
http://www.zenith-motors.com
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
ehhhh... seems to be what's in fashion now. Doesn't affect anything and you can always still change the skins if it bothers you.

My big beef is that all of the new features look great and useful (same with mavericks+lions) but the system as a whole is just too buggy (at least it seems to be) compared to 10.6... I spend about 90% of my time in 10.6.8 and only rarely boot to 10.9. One of my biggest beefs with the new flavours is, SMB doesn't work with my xbox.

I would like to use the latest and greatest (and sure, I'll admit, I like the way it looks in it's own right, but I still like the way 10.5/10.6 software look "matches" the hardware even more). The new features like the cloudy stuff and iphone integration (sms in messages, answer a call on mac, etc) are nice but it seems apple can't quite get the stability back that they used to have. The annual release cycle put a damper on it. I really wish they would just put that icloud stuff in an extension rather than the system itself.

If a 3rd party app re-introduced most of the icloud features to snow leopard, more people would still be using snow leopard.

ios is apple's focus now... I'll bet in a few years, mac will be nothing more than the dev platform for it. All good things must come to an end and OSX is no different :cry:

But there'll be a clamshell iOS laptop with keyboard and A-series processor to make up for it. Just my opinion.
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
R-ten-K wrote: Old foggies don't like change and are scared by it... News at 11. :P



But but this whole website is dedicated to glorifying old stuff , I would expect nothing less ;)
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
ianj wrote:
commodorejohn wrote: Yeah, and that's great, if you like Unix .


If you don't like Unix, what are you doing here? :lol:

(couldn't resist)

As for OS X 10.6 vs. newer versions... I've been through the 10.6 -> 10.7 -> 10.8 upgrade cycle, and I have no idea what people who think something went bad after 10.6 are talking about. Unless you're like the OP and think the smaller window controls look "cheap" (huh?), or you really, really care about having colored sidebar icons, that is. But really, if you're going to obsess over the details of your UI to that level and insist that they never change, you should be using a different platform. As far as I can tell, the actual user experience is the same across all three versions.


This depends on hardware. 10.6 is the zippiest OS for my MBA (2010). 10.7 and 10.8 are rather bloated and slow. 10.7 I had a lot of issues with since I foolishly installed it a day or two after it came out. 10.9 suffers from hiccups a bit, but in general runs almost as well as 10.6 (I think compressed memory has a lot to do with it since there is only 2GB) More bothersome is my MP which needs tiamo's 32bit boot.efi to run. But it runs and can even update fine, from 10.9.2 to 10.9.3, with fingers crossed :lol: . I hope it will be able to do the same with 10.10. And, 10.6 isn't going anywhere. 10.4 isn't going anywhere. If that's what you like, nobody is forcing you to upgrade. If you're like me and like to use 10.6 and 10.9 (even on the same machine), it is soooo not difficult at all to change the startup disk preferences.


There certainly seems to be a cultural shift going on. I got into mac during the 10.5 era and that is kind of the "definitive mac edition" for me. The biggest thing that won me over (from linux and irix) was their science marketing page. Which doesn't even exist anymore. Previously for "Markets" they catered to: Creative Pro, Education, Science, Small Business. Now it is just Creative Pro and Mac in Business. They certainly haven't given up on technical computing, but it seems like they don't care for it anymore. I found the facebook/twitter integration with lion (or ML?) annoying, since I use neither and found it a bit insulting at first. I think that was the tipping point for me to become a greybeard geezer even though I don't consider myself that old or having been around all that long. https://web.archive.org/web/20110207204 ... m/science/
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
ianj wrote:
guardian452 wrote: found the facebook/twitter integration with lion (or ML?) annoying, since I use neither and found it a bit insulting at first. I think that was the tipping point for me to become a greybeard geezer even though I don't consider myself that old or having been around all that long. https://web.archive.org/web/20110207204 ... m/science/


You have a fair point in that Apple is narrowing the markets it wants to focus on, but I find this particular bit absurd. I don't care for Facebook either, and I have never noticed the Facebook integration in the latest Apple operating systems because I have not gone looking for it. If there is some unavoidable change to the UI that gets in your way, by all means, talk about that, but feeling insulted by an optional feature that you will never see without deliberately deciding to use it is crossing a line into ideological craziness. That's like saying Mac OS 9 is insulting because the Setup Assistant asks you once, on first boot, whether or not you'd like the enable Simple Finder (for those who don't remember, the default is "no").



Believe it or not, I am, in fact, human. That means I am able to be as trite, fleeting, unreasonable, and ideologically crazy as I like to determine what suits me and what doesn't. So if facebook integration is what toads the wet sprocket here... or the OP doesn't like the skins... well, we're allowed to do that. And it doesn't bother me anymore, since of course I've never used it. But at the time... it was like "wow! my computer is turning into a facebook machine, man!"
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Cory5412 wrote:
guardian452 wrote: But at the time... it was like "wow! my computer is turning into a facebook machine, man!"


I'm sure this isn't what you meant by it, but there are actually people out there who dislike the fact that any given machine they buy can likely be afforded and used by a much less technical person and used for accessing web sites and viewing videos.

Computers and the Internet are the phones of our era, whether we use them to conduct hard-hitting journalism, serious business, or just staying in touch with friends and playing FarmCrush Saga III.

I don't think the point was ever to make your Mac into a Facebook machine, as much as to simply make that access more convenient, should you want it. That turning point where in 2005 or 2006, Mac laptops began to outsell Mac desktops was also the point at which many Mac laptops were being bought by college students, and it was probably at that point that Macs started being Facebook machines for many people anyway.

I know (hope) nobody here was actually thinking it (that it's bad that computers are usable by non-technical people), but, y'know, just to put it out there I guess. I think it's great that computers are easy to use and that the vendors continue to put effort into researching different form factors and different user experiences, to make computers easier to use as they truly become the telephones of the era, for all your general purpose two-way communication and information needs.

</ramble>

Hey now, don't go thinking I'm some sort of whiz-kid here. I watch movies and do emails and skypes like most people. I do a lot of MS office and 2d cad, which is not breakthrough research or technically intense. I have a windows PC to interface with our development vehicles.

But when you use something other than Facebook or twitter or googleplus or <other mainstream site> it's kind of a slap in the face, cheap advertising every time you do run into it.
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
In terms of bang-for-the-buck it is hard to beat an Octane. But if I had to do it all over again it would be a tezro.
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
I would say please upload the photos to nekochan.net (click on full editor, scroll down to "upload attachment"...) but since it's not for sale anymore, the "sign up for facebook! pretty pretty please!!!?" page isn't all that annoying.

Failing POST may not be a big deal, and not at least offering it for free to locals before scrapping it is an insult.
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
If it's not an option, I'm sure the hackintosh people will figure out a way to disable it at install time.

OR, you can do what I did when I got fed up with trying to get my hackintosh to work, which is just buy a mac pro 8-)
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Didn't recondas buy a new octane2 about that time for $600 direct from SGI? Or was that a few months later during the fire sale :lol:
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
OK sure, in context it is understandable..

But "it won't POST anymore so instead of trying to sell it I'm going to scrap it" is hard to hear...
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Sooooo....

After reading this http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/07/ex ... ogether/2/ it seems that neither of my machines (2006 mac pro, 2010 mac air) can run the headlining features of yosemite such as handoff and airdrop. Phone calls will work, but airdrop should have worked from osx to ios years ago when it first came out.

Sheeeit... did not realize my MBA was already so old. :P At least both still run 10.9 and 10.6 just fine.
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
modology wrote: why they use Helvetica Neue for the system font. It looks cheap and out of place for one simple fact that helvetica neue does not look good in small size.

To sell retina displays.

What's funny is my supported MBA KPs on mavericks at least every two weeks but my unsupported MP is rock solid :lol:
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
New clothes for the Tezro?
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
Have not been all that satisfied with my apple @me.com service lately... it really bugs out their own mail program, which I do like to use. Have to delete and re add the account every once in a while to get it to send anything. I have a gmail account for work (same service that our parent company uses for all their employees) and that is even worse than apple. So don't suggest that. Also an exchange account from the alma mater still chugging along (mainly spam but I still have a few contacts who use it...) at least gmail and exchange work fine with apple mail on osx...

I've also wanted a new ddns since dyndns dropped their free service and I lost my account. Anybody here (preferably usa-based?) use noip for ddns and/or email, and how is it? Would I be better off running my own server? Seems overkill tho I do have an almost-always-on machine...

My ISP charges an extra $10/mo for static IP tho I think there are a few other things that come with it. Would rather spend $10/year :mrgreen:
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
hamei wrote:
guardian452 wrote: Have not been all that satisfied with my apple @me.com service lately...

Do you have a local ISP with a brain and email service ? I know, costs more but it might be worth it.
Yes, actually I have a @fioptics.com email account which I never use, better yet, the username I registered is just my initials, which is pretty nice. I completely forgot about that option, but I will definitely check it out! :oops:
hamei wrote:
Would I be better off running my own server? Seems overkill tho I do have an almost-always-on machine...

Did this for several years, running the server was easy and nowadays you could do it on a very low-power box that wouldn't cost anything.

The problems I had were all from the other end : "It's from China ! Omigod, must be spam !"

Stupid dipshits. This was a correctly set up mail server with reverse spiffydiff and everything. The people running mail servers are so fucking stupid. You won't believe it until you try.

If you are lucky they can handle mail from the US but if you run dynamic dns, you may have the same problem.

My ISP charges an extra $10/mo for static IP tho I think there are a few other things that come with it. Would rather spend $10/year :mrgreen:

If you are interested in VOIP, VPN, or any other functions, a static IP is really nice. It would help with the mail server situation, for example. Plenty of morons just blacklist any dynamic ip right off the bat.
Definitely, tho I just want it for VPN. If a mail server is as easy as you say, then...

hamei wrote: Tinfoil hat time : (but it's the truth) - the entire Spam ! Spam ! Spam ! How can we control spam ? thing is just a shuck to remove control of the internet from individuals and place it in the hands of "content providers". Shut up, serf, and take what we give you.

It would be trivial to stop spam right at the source. No normal human being sends out 465,000 emails an hour. Any ISP can detect a spammer within five minutes. If they really wanted, they could stop it at the source with no muss, no fuss.

But they don't want and never have wanted. What they really wanted and what they got is to remove control of our lives from our hands and place it in theirs.

And we went for it. Google goes through all email they handle. "Big Data" to quote the Big Bitch. There's not a tyrant in the history of mankind who wouldn't sacrifice his entire family tree for that power. We are fools.

That's why I only use my work gmail for work-related purposes, I wish the company ran their own mail at least, but a lot of places are doing gmail now... makes the IT guy's job easier I guess :( idiots... I don't really trust apple all that much, either. Although, I get the feeling they are in it for the money. Not nefarious there.
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Har. It wasn't 2 minutes after I bought the static IP service our internet went out because of storms and has been out all day (over 12 hours) the whole area is affected, not just me. So I think hosting my own is out ;) Also, Mail couldn't connect to the imap.fioptics.com server for half the day when I was at work.
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Welp... my ISP is still out :/ the only other option here is twc/comcast so it's not like I have a choice.
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Not so much the switch IME, but the plastic button on the bezel that pushes the switch, tends to get stuck.
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
Seeing a playstation (SCPH-9001, no less) and PS2 in the "more oldies" along with a C64 and TI99 makes me feel really old :(
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Sorry to say but if your LCD is flickering the backlight bulb/ballast is probably on it's way out. It has nothing to do with the refresh rate... :( If it's a cheapie it may have always done it and be nothing to worry about :)

Very nice indy, I had PS 3.0 on Irix and it did really well on octane and onyx. (I have not owned an indy, yet)
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
Trippynet wrote: That's pretty neat! I was always amazed that SGI took the dumb decision to put incandescent bulbs there originally.


There was no such thing as a white LED back then, and anything other than red/amber/green was pretty hard to come by as well.
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
Try calling apple again. I've heard reports of being quoted different prices from "ridiculous" to "free, even free shipping" for OSX installation media depending on who or what time you call. (I wouldn't bother as others mentioned, you can find a free download anywhere...)

As for needing a dual-layer disc, can't you just use a USB or firewire disk to boot the installation from?
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
I put warm-white LEDs in my octanes back when I had them to maintain the original look. I think it looks neater that way. The best way to procure them is to just buy a whole string of christmas lights. :)

And while blue LEDs may have existed in the mid nineties, they didn't become plastered everywhere as a hot consumer electronics fad until 2004-ish. Likewise, while high-power LEDs have *existed* ten years ago, they have only started replacing mainstream CFL and incandecent bulbs in the past year or two. I bought one in 2012 for $50, and before that they were only practical for high-$ retail space, fancy offices, etc... Now you can buy a good-enough (>600lm, decent CRI) LED bulb for $5 or less .
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
calvin wrote: And considering the rampant amount of... less than tolerant words around here, I don't see much moderation.


The rules do not say anything about less than tolerant words. Only pirating. There are certain weasel words to bend the rules but generally it is a big no-no. Even though a lot of this stuff is abandonware, and/or it's not *really* pirating because he already owns a license, it's not something this site would rather be involved with. While OSX is free now, that wasn't always the case (especially back in leopard's day)
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Let us know how morphos runs because I've looked into buying a g4 laptop to run it. Neat concept.
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Maybe some people here can relate. I'm sure he is happily married :lol:

BIN for $40000
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Apple-Col ... fresh=true
DESKTOPS
- iMac Intel Core 2 Duo 24"
- Macintosh 128k (need display adjustment)
- Apple IIc (with boxes and all accesories)
- Macintosh Plus (with box)
- Macintosh Classic (with box)
- Macintosh 20th Anniversay (with box)
- iMac G3 Bondi (with box)
- iMac G3 Grape (with box)
- iMac G3 Graphite (with box)
- iMac G3 Sage (with box)
- iMac G3 Blueberry (with box)
- iMac G3 Snow (with box)
- Power Macintosh G4 500 (Graphite) (with box)
- PowerMac G4 Cube (with box)
- PowerMac G4 QuickSilver (with box)
- iMac G4 Lamp 17" (with box)
- eMac G4
- PowerMac G4 MDD (with box)
- Power Macintosh G5 (no hard drive) (with box)
- iMac G5 17" (with box)
- Mac mini (with box)
- iMac Core 2 Duo 2,4Ghz 24"

PORTABLES
- Macintosh Portable (need battery)
- Macintosh Portable Backlit (need battery)
- PowerBook Duo 230 (with box)
- PowerBook 1400CS (with box)
- PowerBook G3 PDQ (with box)
- iBook G3 Indigo (with box)
- iBook G3 Graphite
- iBook G3 Snow (with box)
- PowerBook Titanium (with box)
- iBook G4 White 12" (with box)
- PowerBook G4 12" (with box)
- PowerBook G4 17" (with box)

PRINTERS AND SCANNERS
- Personal Laser Writer (with box)
- Apple ImageWriter II (with box)
- Apple ImageWriter II (with box) + SheetFeeder (with box)
- ImageWriter LQ (with box) + SheetFeeder (with box)
- Apple LaserWriter 4/600 (with box)
- Apple Dot Matrix (with box)
- StyleWriter 1200 (with box)
- Apple Color StyleWriter (with box)
- Apple Silentype (with box)
- Apple Color StyleWriter 2200 (portable) (with box)
- Apple ImageWriter (with box)
- Apple Scanner
- Apple Color OneScanner 600/27 (with box)

IPADS
- iPad mini first gen (with box)

IPODS AND IPHONES
- iPod Classic 3rd Generation
- iPod Classic 4th Gen (with box)
- iPod Classic 5th Gen (with box)
- iPod U2 (with box)
- iPod Shuffle 1st Gen (with box) (sealed)
- iPod Shuffle 2nd Gen (with box) (sealed)
- iPod Shuffle 3rd Gen (with box) (sealed)
- iPod nano 1st Gen (with box)
- iPod nano 3rd Gen (with box) (sealed)
- iPod mini Silver (with box)
- iPod mini Blue (with box)
- iPhone 1st Gen
- iPhone 1st Gen
- iPod Radio Remote (with box)
- Nike + iPod (with box)
- iPod Socks (with box)
- iPod Hi-Fi (with box)
- Mani more accessories look at the pictures

SERVERS
- Xserve G5 (with box)
- Xserve Intel Xeon (with box)

NEWTONS
- Newton Message Pad 120 (with box and keyboard)
- Newton Message Pad 130 (backlit) (with box)
- Newton Message Pad MP2000 (with box)
- eMate

CAMERAS
- Apple Quicktake 100 (with box)
- Apple Quicktake 150 (with box)
- Apple Quicktake 200 (with box)

DISPLAYS
- Apple Studio Display 17" (with box)
- Apple HD Cinema Display 23" (with box)
- Apple Cinema Display 20" (with box)
- Apple CRT Studio Display (with box)
- Apple Studio Display 15" (with box)
- Apple Studio Display 15" Graphite (with box)
- Apple Studio Display 15" Manta (black and blue)

OTHER STUFF
- PowerCD (with box)
- AppleDesign Powered Speakers II (with box)
- Apple Pro Speakers (with box)
- Airport Extreme Graphite (with box)
- Airport Extreme 3rd Gen (with box)
- Macintosh 128 Carry Bag
- Macintosh Plus 3.5 External Drive (with box)
- Apple IIc External Drive (with box)
- Macintosh 400K External Drive (with box)
- Mouse IIc (with box)
- Apple MousePad (with box)
- Apple IIc Personal Modem (with box)
- Disk IIc
- Apple Hard Disk 20SC
- Macintosh External Modem (with box)
- eMac stand (with box)
- Apple Joystick IIc (with box)
- Apple 800k Drive (with box)
- Apple CD SC Caddy (with box)
- CD Caddies (with box)
- Apple CD150 (with box)
- Apple Hand Controllers IIc (with box)
- Apple Tape BackUp 40SC
- Apple Data Modem 2400 (with box)
- Apple Duo Disk (with box)
- Macintosh AppleFax Modem (with box)
- Macintosh HDI-20 Floopy
- and so many more
Just grab your dick then point and click.
ClassicHasClass wrote:
robespierre wrote: I never suspected that Apple's multicolor iMac experiment was thought up to separate "collectors" from their money, but this is strong evidence :lol:


"Pokemon! Gotta catch 'em all!"

I have a snow, a strawberry and a blueberry, and I think I only actually paid money for one of them, and only one of them (the strawberry) is actually in use. I can't see the point of getting the whole spectrum except if you're really obsessive. They're too damn bulky.


Looks like he is still missing the flower power imac... maybe a few other special ones I don't know about.
Just grab your dick then point and click.
Or repair the old one :twisted:
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
Xmonad or DWM were both fairly lightweight back in my linux days (I gave it up cold-turkey in 2007)
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
I liked it, or at least the first 3 or 4 songs before it faded into background noise. Or maybe I had to walk around the shop and forgot to stop it? I know better than to expect too much from pop-music has-beens. See also: you get what you pay for.

Also this "But the inordinate amount of actual anger directed at Apple and U2 over this is so disproportional to the actual event, I've started to wonder about the mental state of some of those complaining."
http://www.imore.com/nsfw-apple-u2-and- ... orse-mouth
Thinkpad x220 Slack + DWM

Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
As for CAD, I use Dassault's Draftsight. On windows I prefer it to Autocad 2008. On Mac it is no contest because mac autocad sucks a lot. Supposedly they have a linux version but I never got it going on last year's version of ubuntu (pooping penguin?) If you are more stubborn than me you could probably, maybe, hopefully, get it to work. I just wanted to try it so spun ubuntu up on a spare disk.

Unlike autocad, it's free so you don't need a torrent and crack to use it.
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
If you're looking for 3D cad then I got nuthin. My background is as an EE and our mechanist does not use a computer :shock:
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
A lot of users in our hotel management parent company have already transitioned to ipads, since all they really need a computer for is email and office. The IT guys love it, could you imagine them having to support linux desktops???
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
I looked for that years ago but couldn't find it. Thanks!
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
My complaint with their newer versions is that sometimes the pointer will disappear. Randomly. Either that, or I am starting to go blind :shock:
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
Aren't they on version 8 now? What happened to version 9?
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.
You could always buy a shell of an HP/Dell/Lenovo workstation and use that. The PSU may not be up to the task, IIRC my old HP's had north of 600 watts :shock: but it was spread among many different 'rails' that can be difficult to use (i.e. cpuA, cpuB, HDD, graphics board, aux, etc)

The branded chassis always seem to be built way better than the selection of 3 empty tin boxes at best buy. I would recommend apple but the mac pro's logic board isn't a standard form factor.
Google: Don't Be Evil. Apple: Don't Be Greedy. Microsoft: Don't Be Stupid.
jwp wrote:
theinonen wrote: Basically, MS Windows is around for compatibility reasons on x86 PCs (MS Office). At some point in the future, computing will change enough that Microsoft will become irrelevant. Then everyone will sail away into the future with Plan 9...
8-)

Uhhh... I run MS office 2011 on unix everyday. So that's not it. Computing will eventually evolve enough that computers are irrelevant. I like microsoft, I like my xbox and I used to have a zune for christsakes... Just what I need, above and beyond office of course, windows doesn't offer, and what it does offer I don't need.
You eat Cadillacs; Lincolns too... Mercurys and Subarus.