The collected works of GeneratriX - Page 7

Well... let's start this! :)

- SCSI HardDisks :
Note : Any half-height or low-profile SCSI drive with an 80-pin SCA interface should work when attached to the Octane's internal SCSI bus, so this list is far from comprehensive.
    1. SGI IBM DDRS-39130W S95D
    2. Seagate Cheetah ST173404lCV (73GB, 10k)
    3. IBM DRHS COMP IEC-950 (36GB, 7200)
    4. Seagate Cheetah ST336706LC (36GB, 10k)
    5. Fujitsu MAS3367NC (36GB 15K)
    6. Maxtor AtlasII series (various capacities, 15k)

- SCSI -> ATAPI Adapters :
    1. ACARD AEC-7722 ATAPI/IDE device on LVD (80MB/sec) SCSI bus.
    2. Yamaha V769970
    3. Yamaha V781180

- XIO SCSI

- PCI SCSI :
    1. QLogic QLA1040 (SE)
    2. QLogic QLA 1040D (HVD)
    3. QLogic QLA1240D (HVD)
    4. QLogic QLA1080 (SE)
    5. QLogic QLA1280 (SE)
    6. QLogic QLA12160 (SE/LVD) (33 or 66MHz versions will work, but the Octane PCI bus is limited to 33MHz)

- XIO Fibre Channel :
    1. SGI 2-Port 1GB FC (p/n 030-0927-00x; requires Octane-style XIO latch)

- PCI Fibre Channel :
    1. QLogic QLA2200
    2. Prisa NetFX

- PCI FireWire (IEEE-1394) :
    1. Adaptec 4300 (Red PCB)

- PCI Gigabit Network Cards :
    1. SGI p/n 9210289 (3C996B-T-SGI1)
    2. Any Tigon3 gigabit cards should work with this hack , these include Compaq NC7770, 3Com 3c996B-T
    (needs the B)

- PCI Audio :
    1. SGI RAD Digital Audio PCI
    2. M-Audio Revolution 7.1 (also available from SGI as the DM 8)

- PCI Serial

- Misc. XIO :

- CD-ROM Drives :

- SCSI CD-ROM Drives :
    1. SGI External CD-ROM (bootable; Granite case, Toshiba mechanisms of varying speeds)
    2. Toshiba TXM3401E1 (does audio cd's, but requires caddies)
    3. Plextor PX12TSe
    4. Plextor PX20TSe
    5. Plextor UltraPlex 40x

- CD-RW Drives :

- SCSI CD-RW Drives :
Note : Unless indicated, successful use as PROM boot device and/or audio-over-SCSI have not been verified.
    1. Plextor CD-R PX-R820T 1.08
    2. Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32
    3. Plextor Plexwriter 40/12/40S
    4. Sony CRX145S 10x4x32
    5. Yamaha CRW4416SX 4x4x16
    6. Yamaha CRW6416SX 6x4x16
    7. Yamaha CRW8424SX 8x4x24
    8. Yamaha CRW8824SX 8x8x24
    9. Yamaha CRW2100SX 16x10x40
    10. Yamaha CRW2200SX 20x10x40

- SCSI DVD-ROM Drives :

- DVD-R/RW :

- DVD-RAM Drives :

- SCSI DVD-RAM Drives :
    1. Matshita (Panasonic) LF-D291 (SCSI)

- DAT/DDS :
    1. Archive Python 4324RP

- DAT/DDS2 :
    1. Seagate CTD8000H-S (says *Octane Option* on the label)

- DAT/DDS3 :
    1. HP C1537A DDS-3 Drive
    2. Sony SDT-9000

- DAT/DDS4 :
    1. SGI Model P-DATA20-EXT (Sony SDT-S1100 mechanism; SGI p/n 013-3168-00x)
    2. Sony SDT-SDT10000 /SDT-11000
    3. Quantum (formerly Seagate) Scorpion 40 SDT2401LW (IRIX specific configuration info available in this manual )

- DLT :

- 3.5" Floppy Drives :
    1. Teac FD-235 HS

- Removable Drives :
    1. Imation LS-120 (SCSI)
    2. Iomega Zip 100 (SCSI)
    3. Iomega Zip 100 Plus (SCSI/Parallel)
    4. Iomega Jaz (SCSI; 1 and 2GB versions)

- Magneto-Optical (MO) Drives :
    1. Fujitsu MCM3064SS
    2. Fujitsu MCM3130SS
    3. Fujitsu MCJ3230SS
Note : A detailed bilingual guide by Diego A. De Giorgio [ Generatrix ] can be found here: The MOD/M.O.D. (Magneto Optical Drive) IRIX FAQ

- PS/2 Mice/Keyboards :
    1. Genius KB-06XE PS/2 Slim Keyboard
    2. Genius NetScroll 120 PS/2 Basic Optical Mouse

- SCSI Scanners :
    1. Epson Perfection 636
    2. HP ScanJet 5P
    3. HP ScanJet 6300C

- USB Mice/Keyboards :

- Tablets :
    1. Wacom Intuos (serial interface)
    2. Wacom Intuos2 (serial interface)

- PCMCIA Card readers :

- SCSI PCMCIA Card readers :

- Monitors
Note : A properly wired 13w3 to HD15 adapter or cable is required. Most generic 13w3 to HD15 adapters are wired to the Sun version of 13w3 which may cause display issues if used with an Octane. If the advertisements says an adapter "works with Sun, IBM and SGI", it probably doesn't without modification. SGI made a 13w3 to HD15 cable for the Octane, the part number is 018-0881-002.
    1. Acer P243W 24" LCD 1920x1080 ( 13w3>HD15 with proper cable or adapter )
    2. BenQ G2110W & G2110WA (Sub-D VGA-only) --tested with V12 and Schleusel's 1680x1050 vfo. Works fine.
    3. Compaq P1220 (Octane/ESI/ESI+TRAM)
    4. Dell P991 19" CRT (works with 13w3 adapter with pins pulled)
    5. Dell P1130 21" CRT 2048x1536 (HD15) (other manufacturers, including HP, have versions of the P1130 with similar specifications)
    6. Dell FP1800 18" LCD 1280x1024 (13w3>HD15 connection)
    7. Dell 2001FP 20.1" LCD 1600x1200_60 V12 (13w3>HD15 connection)
    8. Dell 2007WFP 20.1" LCD 1280x1024_60 on EMXI tested only (13w3>HD15 connection)
    9. Dell 2405FPW, 1920x1200_60 (13w3>HD15 connection)
    10. Dell 2407WFP 24" LCD 1920x1200_60 V8 or V12 graphics (13w3>HD15 connection)
    11. Dell 2407WFP 24" LCD 1920x1200_60 V12 graphics w/DCD (DVI connection)
    12. Dell M770 (CRT - 13w3>HD15)
    13. Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24" 1920x1200 IPS. Max 60Hz refresh.
    14. HP LP2475W H-IPS 24" Flat Panel
    15. I-Inc CY199D, 1280x1024, driving analog through the VGA port.
    16. Lenovo ThinkVision L220x , SoG capable - will work with generic 13W3->HD15 adapter <reported by jade_angel >
    17. LG Flatron L1718S, 17", it is said to work with Indigo2 R10K/IMPACT.
    18. LG Flatron L1732TQ 17" 1280x1024 (13w3>HD15 connection)
    19. LG L1942P, 19" letterbox, vesa mount, accepts SOG, has both VGA and DVI inputs with source selection and pivots into portrait.
    20. LG L1942T, 4:3 format, 13W3 to HD15 VGA.
    21. LG L222WS plugged by vga with an adaptator. It works fine in 1680x1050 with a MGRAS video card (on IRIX only for the moment)
    22. LG L225WS 22"
    23. LG Flatron E2242T, 21.5", 4:3 and 16:9 format, 13W3 to HD15 VGA.
    24. LG W2254TQ 22" 1680x1050. Worked with Indy, should work with Octane.
    25. NEC AccuSync 72VX 17" LCD (13w3>HD15 connection)
    26. Philips 170S 17" LCD (13w3>HD15 connection)
    27. Samsung SyncMaster Mod. 2043nw, 16:9 format, 13w3 to HD15 (narrow 4:3 image)
    28. Samsung Syncmaster F2380 (Octane/SE)
    29. Samsung SyncMaster 204B LCD (20", 1600x1200 - SoG capable, tested with IR3 and SGI 13W3 to VGA cable)
    30. SGI (Sony) GDM-20D11 19" CRT (standard 13w3 connection)
    31. SGI (Sony) GDM-20E21 20" CRT (standard 13w3 connection)
    32. SGI (Sony) GDM 4011P 20" CRT (dual input 13W3/HD15)
    33. Viewsonic Optiquest V95
    34. Viewsonic VP201b 20.1" LCD
    35. Telefunken L20H265M2D, 51 cm (20 Inch), HD-ready LED TV.
The PlayStation 2 - SOG Monitor DataBase is another resource for Sync-on-Green compliant montors that might work with the Octane.

- xDSL Modem/Router combos
    1. NogaNet TENDA TED8620R (Ethernet)

-Screw Sizes for the Octane Drive Sled
    The sled takes a 6-32 machine screw, the length will vary depending on which type of Octane sled you have.
    The newer type Octane sled (with the handle that pulls up from the bottom)......the screw length should be 3/8";
    The older type Octane sled (with the finger pull tab in the front)......the screw length should be 1/2".

-Memory Sticks for the Octane 030-0887-005 Rev. B Mainboard
    Kingston branded (KSG-OCT/512) single-board 256MB sticks with IBM or Toshiba chipset, Part Number 9902312-008.A00.

-Memory Sticks for the Octane 030-1467-001 Rev. C Mainboard
    Kingston double-board 512mb modules, Part: KSG-OCT/512-CE, 52075-002.A00 K2
    Kingston single-board 128mb modules, Part: KSG-OCT/128-CE, 2028-004.A00-KIT2
    SEC single-board 64mb modules, Part: KMM379S803AT-G0, 9940084
    IBM single-board 64mb modules, IBM part number appears to be 1308734HCA-10T. However, I do not see much in regards to this when I google the part number. However, there is SGI part number 9010019 on the modules.

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Note :

I've only included here some hardware I was personally able to try up to the date either on my IP30 or boxes from some of my old customers... despites the fact I could guess that many other stuff from O2, Fuel, etc. could work for IP30 too, I'll just put my efforts to base the list on things already probed on the practice from members here.

I've separated some categories... thus "SCSI CD-ROM Drives" can include any variation from SCSI CD-ROM devices, but "CD-ROM Drives" can also include ATAPI units using any form of SCSI/IDE converter, or IEEE-1394/IDE hubs along with IEEE-1394 PCI boards on PCI card cage, etc. You name it!

Same goes for the boards... thus there are the native "XIO" ones without any special distinction, and the separated categories for "PCI" ones.

Thanks to "fu", since I've used his thread "The O2 Hardware Aggregator" as a direct template for this one!

Thanks to "recondas" for the motivation!

And... thanks to "nekonoko", of course!

So... let's start this... can we fill all of this categories? I'm sure I'm not the only one having an Octane around! :)
All the best,
Diego

updated 16 October 2014
...Ooops! :roll:
Looks like a Targa 2000 RTX, the one which included real-time effects. I guess your model originally included the break-out-panel instead of the more standard break-out-cable.

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QuicksilverG4 wrote:
I seem to remember more "stuff" on the daughtercard on the DTX and RTX versions. The Targa stuff shows up on ebay relatively often and lately dirt cheap. I could barely give away a RTX and breakout box. Apparently the best thing for them on the PC side is Discreet Edit.


Well, I could be wrong... but I think the two boards I had used to run Avid MCXpress. The first was a Targa 1000 Pro/PCI, and the second one a Targa 2000 Pro/PCI. I think all of them were three-pieces cards; you know a longer board and two daughter boards. A friend of mine also had a 2000 RTX, which included a rack mounted break-out-box.

I also seem to recall they worked with Premiere 4.2, 5.1, and 5.5 ...and I think also existed some plug-in for After Effects? I'm not sure of this.

And I'm pretty sure all of them worked pretty fine with several releases of SpeedRazor.

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pentium wrote:
and an Avid, PCI-Janus board.


Well, I only had two Mac's on my whole life, and one was a Performa and the other one a 9100... but none of them had any A/V options, and I've never heared about your PCI-Janus board... all my whole experience with Targa was under PC Win NT 4.0, and some hacks to get them running under Win 2K Pro. I seem to recall for these age I was pretty anxious to have the Truevision setup working with as many softwares I could find for the platform, and indeed I've tried a lot.

And after months of hard work, a customer of mine decided to buy from me the 2000 Pro/PCI... and he was indeed a very happy owner of it for about two months, until he accidentally plugged the composite video input to the wrong RCA female, and burned up the whole input section of the board... :?

So, advice given: be careful with the Targa inputs... they are a bit picky, and you can burn the chips either thru static discharge, or a wrong connection that some other hardware would forgive you (i.e.: an audio output)... other than that; excellent boards, with perhaps the clearest White Balance around... but for some reason the input section seems to be a bit more fragile than others like Miro DC30+, Fast A/V Master, etc... maybe others could help a bit more here (Dr. Dave? :) )

Be sure to connect your system to a good GND binding post around. Anyway, I was a happy Targa owner (two systems) for about three years and never had a problem. In fact I'm sure I must have over there some (PC) apps, drivers, plug-ins, tools, etc... but hard to tell if I could find them now! :)

Hey!, post pictures once you have the whole setup running!
All the best,
Diego

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pentium wrote:
Ah, so this is a rather nice card then.


Yes, the input/output and capture/playback quality is impressive! ...the Truevision stuff works well on the lines of DPS, and I think is well above the video quality from Miro DC30+ or Fast A/V Master. You know, Targa is very nice hardware stuff.

I think the video quality for composite in/out is also on the lines of the onboard video setup from SGI VW320 or the AV1 module from SGI O2.

I could not tell you how good it looks when you record from components because the only stuff for component signals I had was an italian 33" Seleco PAL-B monitor (which was excellent too), and never had any source for video on components myself... but I guess if you use the separated components for both in/out, then the quality will be outstanding.

So, as you can see; you have a nice setup there! It costed many thousands a few years ago! ;)
I guess the PCI-Janus could be probably some kind of hardware acceleration for transitions and filters... but don't take my word, since I'm only wild guessing. The real-time stuff on the RTX line from Targa was a sort of digitally controllable mixer, so when you add a transition or filter to the timeline, the effect is "mapped" to the required parameters to control real-time the video DSP for each layer. I don't know if this is the same as your Janus.

Well... good luck with your search! All the best,
Diego

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Just a question for the advanced crew here: -Is PowerAnimator anything useful for parametric CAD modelling, or as the name makes one to suppose (:)) the use is only intended for artistic 3D animations?

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Very interesting, I'll have to check. Thanks!

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BoogWar wrote:
Hi, I'm a newbie.
I worked on these cards back in '96 when they just came out - The station I was employed at bought a PC version of AVID MCXpress. It was one of the first releases, and needless to say the box was extremely unstable. But the cards delivered a quality that had to be seen to be believed. And up to now I have not been able to use a better interface than taht MCXPress. I was up and running with it within hours, it was so intuitive. I've been able to buy an RTX board and the MCXpress software but cannot find the drivers. That original board ran on NT; I am wondering if anyone really made it work on any other platform? The 3d effects software shipped with this board is called ELASTIC REALITY, for those who wanted to know. Would really appreciate the driver location, if anyone out there has it!


Hi there, BoogWar. I have almost each driver that TrueVision released at the date... and I was able to make it work also with Windows 2000 Professional. I've used the two Targa boards I've owned with MCXPress and SpeedRazor (the last one never was too stable), and never had the chance to exploit the full potential, but I agree with you... the quality was impressive!

Only problem, I don't know where should I look for the drivers inside my more than 2000 CD-R based backups... if you are not too hurried, I could try to check around the weekend or next week. All the best,
Diego

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Amazing!

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squeen wrote:
I liked this write up (and no, that is not me in the picture). :)

http://www.hec.nasa.gov/news/features/2 ... 72809.html


Impressive! So, are you the GNFIR's father?
Outstanding quality rendering, the Hubble looks almost the same... just a tiny bit nicer than the real one! :)

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strandedinnz wrote:
but since made my own Dina-a-like setup on a MIPs based Qube2 which can boot IRIX easily enough. Not as fancy but getting there :-)

Mark


Sorry, if this is out topic, but: -can a Qube2 boot/run IRIX? This is new to me, and I'm curious. All the best,
Diego

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D-EJ915 wrote:
GeneratriX wrote:
Sorry, if this is out topic, but: -can a Qube2 boot/run IRIX? This is new to me, and I'm curious. All the best,
Diego

No it can't but you can download vmware player from vmware's site for free.


Oh, well, I see. Sorry if it was a silly question; it already seemed to me very weird, since despite the fact that both were MIPS platforms, IRIX is very tied to the adjacent hardware. But good to know it anyway. Thanks!

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strandedinnz wrote:
Doh! Sorry, I wrote that line a bit wrong .. I meant to say "but since made my own Dina-alike setup based on a MIPs based Qube2 which SGI machines can net-boot from."

Makes more sense like that ... would be nice if it was possible for IRIX to install on it :-)

Mark


Thanks Mark, it broken my head a bit for a while! :)
But yes, I supposed you referred to net-booting. Anyway, don't worry... you know... my english is still pretty poor... :D

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foetz wrote:
josehill wrote: Nice! I've always been a fan of OpenBSD.

While I don't plan to put anything besides IRIX on my SGI MIPS machines


likewise. both :D


Same here, but I'm happy too. I wonder how much of the hardware it will support... I mean, graphics, sound, video, etc.
Hey there, guys!
...could anyone contribute with some useful insight about neko_evolution-2.4.2.1.tardist ?

I mean, am I the only one having this problem, or is it a long data issue? Thanks in advance,
Diego
Hello guys... sorry by asking again... but since I did not had any replies at all: -anyone has the actual release for neko_evolution-2.4.2.1.tardist running with IRIX 6.5.30? I just would want to know if it worked for anyone else here, or if I just must forget the idea. Thanks!

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Very nice, I'll try it once I have my Octane working again. Nice to see recent apps for the IRIX platform. Thanks!

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Very nice app. I've tried today the Linux x86_64 version with Ubuntu AMD64 9.04. I'll give it a try to the IRIX version at some point.
foetz wrote: had it running back then.
not bad for a free app :D


Indeed, and it looks top quality!
I don't know how to use it for serious work, since I just know the basics, and I'm actually focussed to learn to use another app. But I'm interested since I think I have a use for this one too! :)

With a bit of luck, I'll have my IRIX box running again soon.
So, new life for the Octane.

I've replaced the two Silicon Graphics GDM-20E21 with a couple Compaq P1220... since one of the GDM-20E21 suffered some damages and the other was sold to complete an order from an old customer.

As you can see, the Compaq monitors are not working yet with the IP30 because I still need the required 13W3-To-HD15 adapters. For what I can see, the graphic performance is good, and there are extensive features included. The chassis are built by NEC/Mitsubishi, and the overall quality is fine.

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I'll add another picture once the Octane is working. Also, since they have two inputs each, I've configured another dual-head box with the same displays using my Ubuntu PeeCee with the spare inputs from each monitor. It appears comfortable.

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hamei wrote:
Do you use the Bunty PeeCee much ? If you do, that setup looks like Teleffect / Synergy could be a nice arrangement.


Hey there, Hamei!
...yes, I use the PeeCee a lot, since it was mostly geared toward my commerical activities. I've tried Teleffect in the past, and I think I've used it between Win NT 4.0 and IRIX, and later between Win 2K Pro and IRIX... but I don't know if there is any release for Linux?

After some quick reading, it seems x2x could work:

Teleffect is just too cool!

(Check the latest post from squeen)

...Or maybe I should check for your second suggestion, that Chris Jones also suggested here:

SGI fuel/octane comparison question - SGI

Which was a very nice finding, Mr. Hamei, since I was not awared of these app at all! :)
...so, I'm right now reading on the Synergy site to learn if I could use it here!

So, what do you think about my two new thingies?
All the best,
Diego

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hamei wrote:
They will look nicer when you get an adapter on at least one and the Octane up and running :D


I'm actually running them dual-head with Ubuntu! :) ...I've arranged the dual-head there by using the HD15 output for the primary, and a DVI/HD15 cable for the secondary.

I'll have to split a 13W3 cable to hook up two HD15 at the end of each half, so I can use the Octane... so, I'll have the franken-cables ready on next hours! :D

hamei wrote:
With a double head setup like yours, do you have to run both grafix cards at the same resolution ? You do with a dcd but yours has two complete graphics systems ...


Yes, my IP30 has an ESI card without TRAM, and another ESI card this one with TRAM... about the resolution issues... well... I don't know! :) ...I'll have to check as soon I have it working with the new monitors, since with the previous ones I've just used it for a short period of time before to appart one of those GDM-20E21 for a PeeCee.

With Ubuntu you can choose any kind of combo you want... in fact they will run up to 2048x1536@80Hz, but I find everything too little for my taste, so I'm actually doing it at 1600x1200@85Hz.

But I seem to recall that you can choose different refreshes and resolutions with the Octane too... but I'm not sure. Anyway, I'll need to run both of them at 1280x1024@76Hz ...since I think this is the highest visual to support 32db ("DX 1280x1024_76_32db") ...I could also do "X Custom-1RSS-1408x1024_76" but it sadly does not supports 32db.

On a few hours I would be able to check it... but the only problem is... I don't know where to buy ten male BNC connectors and ten female BNC connectors on sunday! :P

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hamei wrote:
They will look nicer when you get an adapter on at least one and the Octane up and running :D


And now? :)

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...sorry for the red'ish light tint ...I guess I'm under a warm illumination! :)

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jan-jaap wrote:
Now you need to go fix the lightbar of your Octane. That, or the photo is tricked :D


No!, there is no trick there! It works!, believe me! :mrgreen:
...I've always wondered why my lightbar only lights on while the Octane is on the POST stage, and then suddendly it light off! What is the trick to have the thing working all the time? Or are different lights/LED's for each stage?

Also, anyone knows how to switch between the different kinds of dual-head modes? I mean, this thing actually behaves a bit like if they were two different machines wotking with Teleffect, or anything like that... you know, if I open a programme on the first desktop, it will show up on first desktop, and I could not move it to the second one... i.e.: each toolchest launch the apps for the desktop where it lives... am I being clear?

I can setup different resolutions/refreshes for each desktop, and all the rest... but I've not discovered how to make it work as single double-length desktop distributed along the two monitors... do you know how to achieve this?

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Hey there, guys! Thanks for the useful replies! ;)

ajerimez wrote:
The Octane lightbar glows red during POST, then switches to the white incandescent bulbs afterward. Looks like your bulbs are burnt, which is a universal problem with older Octanes. Thankfully they can be easily replaced with LED lights if you're willing to do a bit of soldering - there is a full tutorial floating around.


Yes Aaron, you're probably right... and I was sure I've crossed with these tutorial in my path, but I could not recall where... but we have Google, so:

SGI Octane LED lightbar

...and then:

SiliconBunny's Octane KnightRider Light Bar Mod
The Octane KnightRider Light Bar

...I guess the KITT / Battlestar Galactica stuff is a bit too much for me right now, since I can't dispose the time to arrange the up/down sequencer... :) ....but I'll practice the solid LED fixing from the first link!


ajerimez wrote:
Nice rig!


Thanks!, I'm pretty happy with it... now I only need to add some more disk space! :)

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
Try "chkconfig xinerama on" (you may have to use the -f option if it complains). By enabling xinerama, the two displays will act as a single large display :)
This can have some weird side effects if one head supports texturing and the other doesn't, though.


Yes!, that was what I've searched for! :)
I'll check how bad things are with the mix of TRAM/no-TRAM stuff, and I'll keep it reported here! ...which brings me to the next question: -is it possible to fit TRAM on the second ESI card too?, or when you uses dual-head, the Octane only allows for 1 TRAM, and 1 no-TRAM? :)

Thanks in advance! All the best,
Diego

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ShadeOfBlue wrote:
Thanks, this looks interesting, but I got the impression that it's for designing chips rather than circuit boards :)


That's why we need an IRIX port for gEDA/PCB! ;)

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I've done some googling and found xcircuit , which seems to do what I need for now. There's even a slightly older version in Nekoware, I'll give it a try.


Interesting, I'll take a look on the circuit once it is finished, and if some testings are required, I also have Oscilloscope, Signal Generator, and some other cool gadgets.

(Maybe one of the administrators could split this thread to help to focus/gain attention on this topic from ShadeOfBlue?)
All the best,
Diego

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ShadeOfBlue wrote:
PCB compiles OK with MIPSpro 7.4.4, although only the GTK version, the Motif one looks broken.
I haven't really tried compiling the rest of the gEDA suite, the integration between schematics and PCB design looked a bit clumsy to me.


Well... yeap... it is not the best thing around if you ask me... but very useful when you take some time with it. There is also these thing 'xgsch2pcb' to increase a bit the feeling of integration.

I'm not a user of Protel and friends... but I'm pretty sure gEDA/PCB is a few years behind of that. Anyway, this is the only thing you could find with enough features for this kind of work.

There are also a few other FOSS tools over there , but I've tried all of them with Ubuntu, and each one of them lacks something vital for my work... so, right now I'm stuck with gEDA/PCB, which despites the uncomfortable, seems to fit the bill anyway.

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I currently build all prototypes on perfboards (since they haven't been that complex to need a PCB so far :) ), so xcircuit should do for now, but I've got some larger projects planned (a Motorola 68HC000-based system and later [much later :P ] an IDT R3052E-based system [the R3052E is a MIPS-I CPU with MMU]) -- I will look into compiling the entire suite and making a Nekoware package then. Since this is just a hobby, it may take a while to get to that :)


I could not avoid to insist again on gEDA/PCB...

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
That would be great :)
I had a nice 2ch 50MHz scope, but the sweep unit broke down, so I'm having it repaired.


Oh well, I have pretty much an equivalent beast... in working order right now.

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I've also recently obtained a nice 80-channel logic analyzer (Tektronix 3001GPX).


I don't think you'll require an oscilloscope having such a Tektronix beast at your lab! Wonderful stuff!

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
Done :)


Oops! :lol: ...I've not realized until now that you're yourself a moderator! Then my suggestion was not too dificult to do! :) Kudos! ;)

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ShadeOfBlue wrote:
What about kicad ? It looks like it has better integration and all the prerequisites are already in Nekoware.


I could not recall why on the earth I've rejected KiCad... I guess something to do with the file formats, or compatibility with more than two hundreed existant schematics... but I could not be sure... have you already tried it?

...anyway ...please, be my guest: I'd love to install it on my Octane. I've already installed it on Ubuntu so I can try it here by now.

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I'll take a look at it either on Wednesday or over the weekend. If it compiles cleanly, I can probably put together a tarball for installation under /opt/geda and a proper Nekoware package sometime later.
If everything goes according to plan, I will test it by drawing the schematics for this parallel port programmer with it.


Well, as I've said... you'll be my hero, my friend... just let me know the brand of argentinean wine you would like to taste, and bam!, I'll put a box way to you within a week! :P

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
It can only analyze digital signals, though :)
A scope is still invaluable for checking for ripple on the power supply lines and odd analog glitches.


Of course. I use a pretty nice LG, and I also use a few virtual scopes with the help of my Ubuntu box and some DIY level adapters and interfaces. Since I use to work a bit more with analog than digital signals, I don't feel the need for a logic analyzer right now... but tomorrow... who knows? ;)

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
I bought it about two weeks ago, I paid less than 180 EUR (including shipping) and it came with manuals, probes/pods, keyboard, software ... :)
It's even got an RS232 port for connecting it to a computer (then you can either use it as a dumb terminal or for file transfer [e.g. to send collected data to the computer or to receive symbol definitions, etc.]).


Let me wild bet! -have you managed to find it while you searched for a Prism ? :P That was a very good finding! There are a lot of projects you can tackle with such degree of instrumentation!

Well, I'll not spend more of your time for now... I just want to add to my above statements that I own hundreeds of brand new electronic components, so, it will be a pleasure to beta-test the circuits/apps for the ROM Programmer with my Octane here. In fact I think I already have here at my office all of the required components, excepting the high density parallel port cable.

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Hey there, Canavan! ...I hope it will work sooner or later. As you said, it seems time to arrange some kind of automated build for the whole nekoware thing!

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ShadeOfBlue wrote:
Thanks, that's very kind of you :)
It looks like I'm going to have to race canavan for this privilege, though :D


I think with both inside we have a winner team! :P

ShadeOfBlue wrote:
-- should I learn how to make Nekoware packages now, or wait till the rest of the gEDA suite is built, so we can make one large package with all the components?


It could be probably better to have a one large package with all the components inside... I guess the only caveat is that SoftwareManager behaves a bit more slowly in this way, but I prefer this fashion because if you got many packages installed (like many of us use to do), you'll locate faster the gEDA/PCB suite anyway.

It seems the thing is closer! Wonderful!

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maxxi.desktop wrote: @GeneratriX

As for the correspondence... I like the idea a lot, but MaXX really try to follow the IRIX SGI Desktop guidelines and best-practices. I am targeting first IRIX to Linux migrations (that is where my real value and business is).


Of course, that's what I've tried to express; but maybe I've not phrased well. I've tried to mean that I enjoy a lot the fact that you could not tell if you are logged into a MIPS/IRIX box or into MaXX Desktop... both virtually behave the same!

maxxi.desktop wrote: Finally, I like the idea of offering some kind of KDE'ish menu generating tool based on the Linux installation underneath.

Feel free to log a request for feature on dev.maxxdesktop.com/trac/maxxdesktop


Well, I've already registered myself a couple hours ago... I'll add my ticket once approved my account. Thanks in advance for your excellent work with MaXX! All the best,
Diego
maxxi.desktop wrote: P.S How you guys do that title thing 'bob wrote:' in the quote box ?


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[quote="maxxi.desktop"]P.S How you guys do that title thing 'bob wrote:' in the quote box ?[/quote]


maxxi.desktop wrote: There was something wrong in my SMTP config.... I will have to delete your account and please re-register.... The notification works now! Really sorry about that.


No problem, I'll try again! ;)

EDIT: Done! I don't know too well if I followed the right procedures, but I think I've added the ticket now. All the best,
Diego
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Wonderful! ...I'll try it here too!
By the way, very impressive avatar! These masterpiece from Fritz Lang never ceases to amaze me! All the best,
Diego
acidchrist wrote: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F292DB3BC97B4B88

those are old videos made several years ago by the creators of X-86 secret.

if you have a bizarre sense of humor, aren't afraid to hear some frenglish and you like to see x86 stuff destroyed (which i suppose you do since you're on here) those videos will make you laugh (or at least smile). the RAID failure makes me almost piss myself every time :mrgreen:

i recommend duron vaporising, RAID failure and computer exorcism :D


Ahhh... if only Flash could work without suddendly closing Firefox 3.5.6 on Ubuntu 9.10... :roll:
Hey there, acidchrist!

acidchrist wrote: having installed 9.10 recently on my macbook and my core 2 pc i have a lot more problems than i had before with the 8.xx.


You're right... I was enough stupid to accept the suggestion to upgrade my previous near-to-perfect 8.10 install... and since then everything was a path of pains! :?

I can understand it... it looks like some kind of sabotagge... maybe they forgot to pay some invoice over there, or something like that? :roll:

acidchrist wrote: the only things that made ubuntu interesting were its simplicity, compatibility and reliability and now it appears that it just isn't worth using anymore. i think i'm gonna try archlinux instead


Again you hit right on the nail... I hate to say it, but this thing about Flash/Firefox is getting me more tired every day... specially because everybody (including myself, blewww!) now has some kind of Flash based technology on his site!

Anyway, I think I'm even more tired having switched from at least six different distros on latest years... and I don't want to go again thru all these pain, customizing the apps, repackaging my own tools, etc. It is simply too much for me now... :?

acidchrist wrote: i actually saw ubuntu uninstall itself in synaptic after an unknown problem when i was installing stuff from the universe repository (it uninstalled packages like ubuntu, the kernel, and everything else) and without telling me anything or asking me what to do. i was used to see such horrible failures on windows but i'd never seen anything like that on linux


Yeah, I was *almost* about to suffer such a pain when tried to update my themes from the previous release and it asked me some decision before to proceed... by some instant of illumination, I've clicked on "Details", and it was about to uninstall most part of my system, along with the few package to update... :evil: ...what a crap!!!

I hope Ubuntu will be eventually back to the good track. I can't believe they will keep this thing like that.
Well, sorry because we got the thread stolen with this... I was just to angered with Firefox and I've made my public discharge here, sorry! :)

Yes, all of the above with Ubuntu is very anoying, but I'll hold a bit more before to jump out. It is too much work to change from platform again... and all in all, it works for the rest. Just no Flash.

Hey!, Merry christmas for all! All the best,
Diego
sybrfreq wrote: I dunno, some of the things ubuntu has made me do could drive one to some of the behavior in the videos so maybe this isn't so off-topic at all. although some of those machines destroyed are faster and newer than mine which is kind of sad but oh well. Scene 3 was pretty funny.


I would like to say "-I saw it, it was funny!", but that's simply not the truth! :D ...you know: "Courtesy of Firefox+Flash+Ubuntu!" ...so, yeap!, you're right, we are still on-topic! Sometimes Ubuntu leads to some crazyness, heheh! But not enough to make think of MS Win, nope! ;)
sybrfreq wrote: well... in honesty, you are not missing much, just old computers + fireworks.


Yeap, no problem. Anyway, I've installed Opera, and it seems to confirm some of my thoughts: -the culprit is not Firefox on Ubuntu, but it is more like some kind of bug from the Flash build for AMD64. It does not works with Opera at all.