The collected works of GeneratriX - Page 4

zahal wrote: I hooked the drive to a pee-cee (can I call it mactel??) and formated both sides as UDF 2.0.

Hooked the drive back to the o2, and inserted the cartridge. It mounted right away!
Drag and drop works fine, I moved several files to the DVD-RAM without any trouble at all.
Seems like this drive is "irix friendly" !!

Total success so far!

Oren Manor from JUNGO wrote: Dear Diego,

I am sorry for the delay I was looking for some information on IRIX in
order to evaluate the work required.

In general, the stack controller drivers (UHCI\OHCI\EHCI), stack core
and
Mass Storage and HID class drivers can be licensed at $30,000. In
addition,
NRE development will required to integrate the stack into IRIX OS. This
will include the implementation of the Host Abstraction Layer and
integration of the Mass Storage Class Driver with the IRIX File
System.We
will need to review the work required in order to give a precise price
tag
but from my preliminary investigation I can estimate that we will
probably
require around 2 month of development.

Jungo's NRE fee is a constant $20,000 per month. As I do not see any
option
of re-selling the IRIX stack in the future Jungo will not be able to
subsidize the NRE development based on future revenues.

Please let me know if you have the resources to justify this
development.

Oren

unixmuseum wrote: Thanks for your effort Diego, but no thanks...

TeeTylerToe wrote: I'm kicking around the "hows" of a simple SCSI firewire driver. it'll take me a while, and stuff like byte endian ness are too complicated for me, but patience may pay off. maybe in a month or so I'll have code that'll be able to send a single SCSI command over firewire in IRIX.

TeeTylerToe wrote: $69,999 =]

DjVuLibre wrote: DjVu is a web-centric format and software platform for distributing documents and images. DjVu can advantageously replace PDF, PS, TIFF, JPEG, and GIF for distributing scanned documents, digital documents, or high-resolution pictures. DjVu content downloads faster, displays and renders faster, looks nicer on a screen, and consume less client resources than competing formats. DjVu images display instantly and can be smoothly zoomed and panned with no lengthy re-rendering. DjVu is used by hundreds of academic, commercial, governmental, and non-commercial web sites around the world.

DjVuLibre is an open source (GPL'ed) implementation of DjVu, including viewers, browser plugins, decoders, simple encoders, and utilities.

DjVuLibre includes a standalone viewer, a browser plug-in (for Mozilla, Firefox, Konqueror, Netscape, Galeon, and Opera), and command line tools (decoders, encoders, utilities). DjVuLibre works under Unix with X11.

DaSeitz wrote: http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroo ... /rasc.html

LaLora wrote:

Rain again in Rosario...

aha

Geoman wrote: Using a RASC rack is like programming a GPU. Beside running shader programs on it, you could use them a dsp, too.

Brombear wrote: Diego, is that your new car ? Guess sales of your software must have skyrocketed

Matthias

Brombear wrote: Ah, remember that guy from the mirafiori forum with that nice strange car ( http://www.mirafiori.com/~courtney/128/scott.html ). Nice engine, weird metal box

Brombear wrote: Those pesky 1300 engines run like stink and they eat rpms like nothing. Highly modified versions of the engine run until 13.000 rpm, the stock one over 7.000 rpm. Try to do this with your average gasblasting SUV

Matthias

Brombear wrote: Diego,

you simply forget the X1/9 (ok, maybe not in argentina) ... I am driving these beauties for more than 15 years and while being slightly underpowered compared to todays cars the suspension is a real jewel and gives best handling on curvy mountain roads.

Matthias

LaLora wrote: haha

wouldn't it be more useful to use a helicopter to catch other Lamborghinis/Ferraris/etc. ?

VenomousPinecone wrote: @GeneratriX

That thing is freaking nice, sure as hell is a UFO. Just imagine it with lights on, going about 150... a blue blur.

hamei wrote: You can get a Maserati Indy for less than ten grand. The engine is in front, too, where it belongs. Hard to get the back end to come around on them damned mid-engine jobbers

LaLora wrote: "How did you get into SGI ?" ..hmm, let's see

..let's do a little time travel back to early 90s

roosmcd wrote: Surprise, surprise, I just ran into a couple of Nallatech guys at a booth in a conference (well actually there were about 10 booths..). Seems like 7 Virtex FPGA's have the power of 60 Xeons, so SGI is going to kick some butt .

roosmcd wrote: And watch out for next your when 'Transformer' is coming out, this would be the second non-beta generation, one can at least expect SGI to have the decency to last that long .

roosmcd wrote: And these FPGA-thingies are not SGI-specific, you can also buy cPci, VME, PCI, PCI-X boards. Looks like you can write for this in C, it sure looked nice (no, they weren't serving beer).

CordlessTucanMania wrote: Another plan was to use 6.5.19 CDs, of which I have "Aquired", and then do a live upgrade. I have 3 of 4 IRIX 6.5.19 CDs (efs) which will boot. I tried this, but then I get an "autoboot failed" after. I may have hosed my sys disk after the fx.64 I did last night. I may try to find fx and re-partition again.

eMails Between Ton Roosendaal And Diego De Giorgio wrote: De: "Ton Roosendaal" <[email protected]>
Asunto: Re: Blender3d.org News Submission
Fecha: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:31:17 +0100
A: "Generatrix Dev. Co." <[email protected]>

Hi,

Sure you can quote my message, but fix the typo in it;

>> reason we cannot an SGI

Should be; "reason we cannot support an SGI"

I occasionally read Nekochan forums too, but it's not always
encouraging! For some reason people think "we" have abondonned the SGI
version, which is - apart from using it personally - just not true. For
any SGI developer with knowledge of the SGI internals and OpenGL, it is
relatively easy to get Blender up and running. At Siggraph I demoed the
latest version we had on a Prism to a SGI sales person, and apart from
1 glitch (border select) it worked like a charm.
Another topic is of course that people also like to use older machines,
with OS versions that are not maintained anymore, so falling behind
with support for essential support libraries Blender needs (SDL,
Freetype, Python, cc (gcc), libc++). Even this could be still possible
to get a running Blender for, but that would require substantially more
development time.
The entire SGI series of the 90ies are incredible cool machines, so I
really understand why people still love to use them. But making such a
choice, also means to accept that you won't easily get new software for
it either.

(you can quote that too!)

Best regards,

-Ton-

On 4 Nov, 2005, at 11:45, Generatrix Dev. Co. wrote:

> Hello Ton;
>
> I'm glad that you have answered my message
> personally!
>
> I want to share with you my high concepts by your
> work, I really like Blender, and all the move
> surrounding your project.
> I'll follow your advice, and I'll post my message on
> the 'news' forum!
>
> I'm also developing. I have a few apps, specially
> related to SGI IRIX, on the arena of particle systems
> and image composition; young projects compared to
> Blender, but with a lot of potential. I've always
> appreciated the way on which my tools can work as
> complementary apps at some areas with Blender, and I
> have your program always close to my heart!
> You can see my work at: http://www.generatrix.net/
>
> I'm coding on a freelance basis, as member of the SGI
> Global Developer Program PLUS, and I'm happy with the
> degree of assistance and help that I'm getting from
> SGI, in the form of tech resources and support. I hope
> you can reach some level of agreement with SGI too, in
> the form of official support.
>
> I coul wish to have more time, to help actively in
> your project too, since I have skills on C++, OpenGL,
> OpenML, DigitalMedia and so on; but I'm already too
> bussy sourcecoding for my apps, and since I've
> assisted to the birth of my first son only three
> months ago, I have almost zero spare time!
>
> I'll not blame you by abandon IRIX because at least
> you still run a UNIX flavour, and these is already a
> good thing by itself!
> As you could guess, I like IRIX, but I also use LINUX
> as my second platform.
>
> If you like it, I could quote your message on
> Nekochan.Net ( http://www.nekochan.net ), the forum by
> excellence for SGI developers, porters, and users; and
> then try to gain some support from those developers
> actually porting apps to IRIX. I'm sure that your sign
> will attract some developers! ...And you have my
> invitation to post there too!
>
> Also, at some point (maybe when my own project can
> reach the next level of implementation) I could wish
> to try some way of mutual collaboration to develop
> compatibility for my app PartixFX to/from Blender, in
> the form of plug-ins, importation/exportation modules,
> and all the needed to benefit both apps with new
> feature presents on each of them.
> My software app is not OpenSource, but I always have
> freeware versions for hobbyists. Anyway, I'll release
> an SDK as OpenSource for plug-ins development and
> other modules.
>
> Well; I hope I've not take too much of your time!
> I'll stay tunned to see how we can improve the IRIX
> support, and I'll let you know.
> Greetz; best regards,
> Diego
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You best post this on our 'news' forum, that's where
>> this message
>> belongs best.
>>
>> On last Siggraph, and the IBC tradeshow in
>> Amsterdam, I had meetings
>> with SGI to get them moving into some kind of more
>> official support for
>> Blender. Nothing resulted from this sofar, but I
>> won't give up!
>>
>> What we need for our releases is only *one* active
>> SGI developer who
>> keeps track of the platform related issues with
>> Blender (like
>> libraries, makefiles, opengl). This is the only
>> reason we cannot an SGI
>> version at the moment. There seems to be a large
>> user community still
>> out there for SGI, but only consumers... no
>> developers.
>>
>> I've been developing with an SGI up to 2001, but
>> switched to OSX
>> instead in 2002. For that reason you could blame me
>> that SGI support
>> halted... but I don't do anything for the windows,
>> linux, freebsd and
>> solaris versions either.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Ton-
>>
>> On 4 Nov, 2005, at 8:08, Diego Alberto De Giorgio
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NAME
>>> Diego Alberto De Giorgio
>>> EMAIL
>>> mailto:[email protected]
>>> CATEGORY
>>> Development
>>> TITLE
>>> IRIX Support For Blender 2.40
>>> SUMMARY
>>> I don't know how much users for Silicon Graphics
>> (SGI) MIPS/IRIX
>>> releases of Blender there are actually over their
>> global user base,
>>> but I think it is just the right time to show up
>> more interest.
>>> STORY
>>> I've not noticed any kind of mention by now about
>> IRIX support for
>>> Blender 2.40...
>>>
>>> ...Anyone has any info about that? ...I think it
>> is just the right
>>> time to show up some interest on the IRIX version
>> of Blender from part
>>> of the folks actually working on MIPS/IRIX for
>> imaging related works;
>>> I think Blender is a valuable tool for everyone
>> working on areas as:
>>>
>>> 3D Modelling/Animation/Rendering
>>> 2D/3D Composition
>>> Non Linear Video Edition
>>>
>>> ...And it runs well on our workstations, allowing
>> to resolve tasks
>>> with professional results, and taking advantage of
>> the amazing
>>> graphics performance of our beloved SGI machines.
>>>
>>> Support the IRIX release of Blender!
>>>
>>> (Silicon Graphics IRIX is a completely reliable
>> and powerful UNIX
>>> Based Operating System, running on platforms
>> Silicon Graphics MIPS.)
>>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>>
>> --
>> Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation mailto:[email protected]
>> http://www.blender.org

eMails Between Ton Roosendaal And Diego De Giorgio wrote: De: "Ton Roosendaal" <[email protected]>
Asunto: Re: Blender3d.org News Submission
Fecha: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:00:24 +0100
A: "Generatrix Dev. Co." <[email protected]>

Hi,

> Of course; I'm wondering that your app must run just
> perfect on a Prism, a machine plenty of power to
> attack any graphic app. I've not tried one of those
> beasts by now, but I guess they are great. Anyway,
> these is a LINUX box!

This prism ran Irix, it seems it can emulate that.

> I think the more extended fear from the IRIX/Blender
> users is the possibility to be phased-out the newer
> MIPS/IRIX releases, by the addition/replacement of
> newer OpenGL releases, extensions, and other features
> depending of the graphic hardware. But I guess we
> can't demmand to freeze the progress of the program,
> just to be able to run it with our boxes!
> Even my maxed-out 600MHz SGI O2 has an OpenGL Version
> 1.1, even when this box runs the latest IRIX version,
> and so happens with the rest of libraries and
> compilers, all latest versions; but I guess with
> OpenGL they have freezed it there.

Blender is still mostly in OpenGL 1.1, with only very few 1.2 features.
I purposedly keep that compliant with old OpenGL versions for
portability.

On our roadmap is support for OpengGL 1.5 and 2.0, of course. We need
to
design a good migration for it, with user-defined "Profiles" for
example.

> I think that the first thing needed from us (the
> percentage of SGI Users visiting Nekochan), is some
> kind of understanding of the Blender's architecture,
> to be able to tent bridges if the sourcecode leaves
> out our hardware.

It's better if you collectively search for Nekochan member who
has a lot of experience with OpenGL, Irix, X11, C and C++.
Someone who understands makefiles, libraries, and building of binaries.

There's not much you need to know about Blender's internals... the
"Platform Maintainers" in our team all are developers who don't really
code in Blender, but just maintain the compilation and linking of the
software.

> And the second thing is the ability
> to add patches, bug-fixes, and the required minor
> additions to the Blender's tree; knowing that they'll
> be rispected on future releases to keep easier the
> port's maintenance. Of course, assumming that our
> contributions are revised, and correctly implemented,
> following the same standards that those behind
> Blender.

If someone contacts us to become official Irix maintainer, he can get
cvs write access for all platform related issues. Provided - of course
- that
he knows what he's doing!

-Ton-

>
> Well, I only can help laterally with this, because I
> already have my own software development project; but
> I'll see what can I do, and if some others are
> interested to help with this too.
> Thanks in advance by you time reading me; and I hope
> we'll can make some collaborative work at some point,
> either keeping the IRIX version of Blender alive, or
> working towards some ways of complementation between
> our projects.
> Greetz from Argentine, best regards,
> Diego

DaSeitz wrote: I think we will not see PCI-FPGA cards for SGI workstations. Eventually for SGI Prism/Altix, but not for IRIX based systems.

Building Blender on Irix
------------------------

Requirements
------------

* Compiler: MipsPro 7.4 or 7.3.1.3m with C++ ISO headers
ISO headers can be obtained here:
http://octave.sourceforge.net/MIPS73-isoheaders.tar.gz

* Python 2.3.x. For a very general build, compile with -mips3 flag.
Also, maybe after configuring the python sources, modify the file
pyconfig.h to have either "#undef HAVE_SNPRINTF" or
"#define HAVE_SNPRINTF 0" (probably
the first case). Also, patch source to fix the socket module.

* From irix freeware, fw_gettext packages (make sure to get hdr/dev).
Maybe some other stuff from freeware too (zlib? Certainly cvs is needed).

Instructions
------------

1. Create a directory to put your sources and then enter that
directory, e.g.:
mkdir bf-blender
cd bf-blender

2. Checkout the blender module from the bf-blender tree using cvs
(use password anonymous):
cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/cvsroot/bf-blender login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[email protected]:/cvsroot/bf-blender \
co blender

3. Checkout the lib/irix-6.5-mips module from bf-blender using cvs:
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[email protected]:/cvsroot/bf-blender \
co lib/irix-6.5-mips

4. Enter the newly created blender directory:
cd blender

5. Time to build... issue the command:
gmake

6. Wait for it to either finish compiling or to fail compiling ...
seek help in the later case. If successful, the blender binary will

be in obj/irix-6.5-mips/bin/blender

7. If you would like to make a release tarball, type:
gmake release

This will create a tarball in obj/{version number}

ChiaHos wrote: It would be a trivial thing for me to create a 2.40 version
of blender, but you guys aren't pulling your weight, so
why should I bother?

skywriter wrote: as for the 'pulling our own weight' crack - i don't think you'll get much pursuing that line of inquiry.

skywriter wrote: so if you want to keep your dignity, the choice is very simple; fork and do what we know is best for the platform.

skywriter wrote: i paid my $2,000 USD to be a Blender Foundation Gold Sponser. i got about what i expected; the priceless graditude of a long time good friend in Ton, and the freedom to be able to allow our community to make our own choice for our own good.

mainframe.ai wrote: Hm… to contradict Diegos argumentation that only a few members are engaging in this discussion…

mainframe.ai wrote: sgi… which I keep for emotional, aesthetic and nostalgic reasons.

mainframe.ai wrote: and who will be doing modelling on IRIX in the future… ?

mainframe.ai wrote: But our beloved boxes are simply not really up to it anymore… (i fear… )

mainframe.ai wrote: So… I would be happy to use blender… BUT I don't want to cause that much effort without being involved enough…

skywriter wrote: me; i have important stuff to deal with, family, job, and nice car

skywriter wrote: there's more than enough talent to SGI the heck out of blender on nekochan. you just have to be patient

skywriter wrote: - it's just not a priority.

skywriter wrote:

GeneratriX wrote:

skywriter wrote: - it's just not a priority.

...And it is not my priority at all, just a good wish.

Yeah, and i got my new honey-of-a-car-Volvo spend all my time building in horsepower, torque, valentine one radar detector, and 10 cd track changer *once a gearhead always a gearhead*

oooh! i hit a penquin the other day, but he washed right off, didn't even leave a scratch. hmmm vanity plates? TUXITUP ??

skywriter wrote:

GeneratriX wrote: CONGRATULLATIONS; ENJOY YOUR NEW CAR!!!

it's a 2001, and good share lot's of fun

jan-jaap wrote: I'm old enough to have seen the sixties, or at least the last three weeks of 'em.

skywriter wrote: ok, after about a year or more, who's going to setup up the independent CVS for the IRIX only blender fork?


viewtopic.php?t=2643&start=0

skywriter wrote: Great! I'll clip a version of the tree that "works", and document the freeware source versions required this week. i would like to get this project based on irix development tools:
MipsPro7.3.1.3m
WorkShop_2.9.1
SpeedShop_1.4.3
dbx_7.3.3
and either 6.5.15 or 6.5.21 which are the two version sof irix i have. .21 has wierdness from the 7.4 runtimes, and i have to resolve that somehow. but .15 worked up until blender 2.33 library update.

i'm not sure if workshop requires standard make, but the makefiles with blender only work with gmake (blah). they will be the first thing to fix if that gets in the way.

lewis wrote: I'll try and package it up, or maybe wait for the 2.4 final, if anyone else even cares

lewis wrote: Cool... would be good to know if your build has the International Fonts working, mine with gcc does not - they don't render at all. I presume this is because something in FTGL is broken. Fixed my particle issue, it was an alignment thing which shouldn't be a problem with MIPSPro, but Hos has committed the fix anyway.

Wanna compare some benchmark type-things when you've got a build?

BTW I wouldn't try gmake -j parallel building, it tends to not work for some reason.