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As new SGI guy only had a Indigo2 in the past I finally got my Origin200 running and without this site I
would not make it.

I have quite a few Suns(E450, E250, Blade 2500, 1500 and u10's and a SS20 as firewall 2x50 MHz ) and now my Origin so I understand what you mean with powercost, but its -20 now in Sweden so
I don't mind :)

cheers

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hamei wrote:
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No more dull roar from the spare bedroom; it's eerily quiet around here :)

I dunno, neko .... the colors on the front page seem to be a bit off now. Maybe you need to adjust the gamma on that Atom ?


Did you also notice that :)

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awesome collection indeed!

I am actually using one MicroVAX but without TCP/IP for professional use still, kermit to communicate via a Sun to the company LAN.

Also our once big cluster is reduced to a emulated VAX with everything saved on since mid 80'''s my original account is still there but logged on since ~96-97, now I have a consultant account instead.

I miss the cluster where we all 100's did work on.

Time to reread "The soul of a new machine" almost :)

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agkbill wrote: Thank you!

I am located in Uppsala, Sweden.

Need to update my info.

Best regards,
/Christer

Ops, then you actually have a friend close by in Bålsta about 50km SW, and that strange guy have a much poorer Indigo2 and a Origin200, and some 20 Suns ...
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3 stycken från Svedala :)
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funny, me to, but delivery here i Sweden not until 2010-02-11 (:

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japes wrote:
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I've ordered a D510MO to play with - just couldn't resist :)


Heh, I was thinking of ordering one myself. I bought one of each of the previous embedded Intel mini-ITX boards (well except the new 270 based D945GSEJT, http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GSEJT ... otherboard ).

For now I have more junk than I need and more projects than time, so I'm holding off. Maybe I'll make it a reward for selling enough stuff on ebay and craigslist to pay for one.

Hmm, since I don't know you I almost think you are an alias for my wife by the way you speak of "more junk than I need and more projects than time" :)

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I must say that SL is quicker, on laptop it wakes up rather quick I think I had a problem with handbrake in the beginning not 100% sure.

Just get on the SL train :)

BTW, just installed Chrome the other night on my iMac, really nice and clean I wish I had that on Solaris aswell feels like Opera when it comes to responsness

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gkl wrote:
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PC2100 in my 2500 board if I remember correctly but it is standard ECC DDR, super cheap and easy to come by


A word of warning--pay attention to your OpenBoot revision and the CAS latency. I believe all of these PC2100-based Suns are only spec'ed at CL2.0, which is a bit harder to find than the CL2.5 PC2100 ECC that's all over.

I've had little trouble actually running a Blade 1500 with CL2.5 PC2100 with OpenBoot 4.9.x, but upgrading to 4.14 or higher will prevent the system from booting on anything that's not CL=2.0. I had to downgrade from 5GB to 1GB for this reason :(

Strange that you did get more problems when upgrading openboot, I have had a 2500 since new with 16GB but at that time I hade 8 GB from Crucial and 8GB from Dataram which did not interleave fully, only the Dataram did work(CPU0) but after upgrading Openboot last summer the memory banks interleaves as they should which probably means that Openboot now properly reads the DRAM info from the DIMM.

============================ Memory Configuration ============================
Segment Table:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Base Address Size Interleave Factor Contains
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x0 8GB 16 BankIDs 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, 11,12,13,14,15
0x1000000000 8GB 16 BankIDs 16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23 ,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31

Bank Table:
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Physical Location
ID ControllerID GroupID Size Interleave Way
-----------------------------------------------------------
0 0 0 512MB 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 ,14,15
1 0 0 512MB
2 0 1 512MB
3 0 1 512MB
4 0 0 512MB
5 0 0 512MB
6 0 1 512MB
7 0 1 512MB
8 0 1 512MB
9 0 1 512MB
10 0 0 512MB
11 0 0 512MB
12 0 1 512MB
13 0 1 512MB
14 0 0 512MB
15 0 0 512MB
16 1 0 512MB 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 ,14,15
17 1 0 512MB
18 1 1 512MB
19 1 1 512MB
20 1 0 512MB
21 1 0 512MB
22 1 1 512MB
23 1 1 512MB
24 1 1 512MB
25 1 1 512MB
26 1 0 512MB
27 1 0 512MB
28 1 1 512MB
29 1 1 512MB
30 1 0 512MB
31 1 0 512MB

Memory Module Groups:
--------------------------------------------------
ControllerID GroupID Labels Status
--------------------------------------------------
0 0 MB/DIMM0
0 0 MB/DIMM1
0 1 MB/DIMM2
0 1 MB/DIMM3
1 0 MB/DIMM4
1 0 MB/DIMM5
1 1 MB/DIMM6
1 1 MB/DIMM7

============================ Environmental Status ============================
Fan Status:
-------------------------------------------
Location Sensor Status
-------------------------------------------
MB dimm-fan okay
F1 CPU0 okay
F2 CPU1 okay
F3 Outtake okay
F0 Intake okay

Temperature sensors:
-----------------------------------------
Location Sensor Status
-----------------------------------------
HDD0 hard-disk0 okay
MB/0 Die okay
MB/1 Die okay
MB Ambient okay
MB Ambient okay
MB Ambient okay
MB Ambient okay

================================ HW Revisions ================================
ASIC Revisions:
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Path Device Status Revision
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/[email protected],600000 pci108e,a801 okay 4
/[email protected],700000 pci108e,a801 okay 4
/[email protected],600000 pci108e,a801 okay 4
/[email protected],700000 pci108e,a801 okay 4

System PROM revisions:
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OBP 4.30.3 2009/06/08 13:21 Sun Blade 2500 (Silver)
OBDIAG 4.30.3 2009/06/08 13:34



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I would guess that the reason for Sun said 4.1024MB in Red was due to there was only 1024 DIMMs at the time.

Both my 1500 and 2500 silver have 8GB per CPU, 1500(8GB) and 2500(16GB)

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I will show it to my wife so she won't complain about the noise in the basement :)
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Try ask on comp.unix.solaris

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Fantastic, where can one get one like that!

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recondas wrote: SGI PCI Gigabit Ethernet:

1000 Base SX (fiber optic interface)
SGI_1000BaseSX_GIGABIT_9210129.JPG
and 1000 Base T (copper interface) - shown mounted in an O2k XIO Shoehorn <a PCI-to-XIO slot adapter>:
SGI_1000BaseT_GIGABIT_9470434.JPG
Both are keyed as 'universal' PCI cards to fit in either 3.3 or 5 volt slots. A manual, the SGI IRIS Gigabit Ethernet Board User's Guide is available at SGI's Technical Publications Library: http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi ... /ch01.html

I just like to add that the upper board is a Alteon Gigabit ethernet board, they and Sun made the first GbE that I know of and this board is OEM to atleast 3COM, DEC, SGI. Using the small I2M memory closed to the TIGON-II ASIC the ALTEON PCI vendor ID is altered so the board identifies as 3COM, DEC SGI and more.

So any of these OEM can be made to work by reprogramming the I2C memory.

I have actually done a design with this chip long time ago, late -90's for a large Telco in Sweden :)

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I like flash, without flash the web would from Unix perspective be very bad, games for kids are available on Unix thanks for flash.

But I also see MR Jobs point where he says that these tools to make flash and java and so will not and can not take the full advantage of
each platforms unique capability.

I remember and we still see what happend when MS did their push in to Enterprise and EDA market using tools from Bristol and Mainsoft until they had moved all development on MS platform and crosscompiled
with all MS API over UNIX API making the Unix port dead slow and cumbersam to use so people switched from Unix to MS, even MSExplorer where once available on Solaris using Mainsoft!

But Macromedia has made flash on all major platforms which I think they deserve some credit for, sadly Irix is out now but that is not their fault!

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Nice I am pretty close to you we should meet!

Its been while since I had a 11/44(first I had a 11/35 very good looking), three racks with 6 rk05 and a 200MB DEC driveI forgot the name of and a tape, that was hot in a two room apartment :)

Also had some 5-6 DEC VT102 to try out multiuser on BSD 2.11 talking from room to room :)

Girls are a problem for collectors (:

BTW, what will you run on the 11/44, RT11 SJ monitor to save RAM(3kb for the whole OS)?

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The only difference in U5 and U10 is the box, the U10 box can accomodate a UPA graphics adapter.

In the U5, 1GB ram needs a floppy removal.

So its the same motherboard.

I am in Sweden, otherwise I have more than enough of them and would be glad to swap for SGIs :)

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Solaris has address the issue with rebuild times in later ZFS using raidz3, making it possible to survive 3 disk failures this is important since the drives are so big nowadays taht rebuild time
is very long!

I currently have a E450 with raidz2 in my pool having 16 300GB drives split in two vdevs in one pool, but 300GB is not that big but the interface is only 40MB/s at max, rebuild maybe can use 10MB/s at max which means about 10 hours, then think 2TB drives!!

On a AMD backup server I have had two 1TB Seagate SATA drives go down in a few days in a single raidz2 6 disk pool, I had one spare drive on the shelf popped that in
and then the second drive failed after a few days that was scary waiting for more spare drives :)

Knock on wood but my E450 has never ever failed me until for a few weeks ago one PSU failed but it is a 2+1 config so no big issue there and no rebuild time :)
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SAQ wrote:
mila wrote: On a AMD backup server I have had two 1TB Seagate SATA drives go down in a few days in a single raidz2 6 disk pool, I had one spare drive on the shelf popped that in
and then the second drive failed after a few days that was scary waiting for more spare drives :)


Haven't made the terabyte leap yet for (among other reasons) the fact that they seem to die much more often than smaller drives.

How long had they been running? (i.e. is this something that should have been caught in factory QA if they still did QA, or was it something that cropped up after install+test+a noticeable amount of use - 6months or better).

I would say 1.5 year, Seagate 1TB ES drives. There could be issues with FW(or ZFS!), since I have managed to use the two failed drives again!

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jaymax wrote:
How do I setup a SFTP server on an octane.
Shame I have forgotten!
need to use with WINSCP

Thanks!

Once you got ssh running, ever tried ExpanDrive if not try it it's really easy and nice and cheap.

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cris_adder wrote:
Have DHCP setup at home which my O2 accesses under Irix 6.5 and trying to configure IPfiler as a firewall.

Just wanted to confirm that when setting up the IPFilter rules I can use 192.168.2.1/24 to indicate my O2 ip-address, which will be some ip-address that DHCP allocates in the range 192.168.2.* (since this is not known before hand).

Is this right, or is there a better way to handle DHCP, rather than specifying "any"?

Thanks...


Is this for outgoing traffic(ipfnat.conf)?
I think you should use 192.168.2.0/24 instead to cover 192.168.2.1-255 range.

Are you having ipfilter on the O2 itself or on a dedicated firewall?

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Hi,

Anyone used a ES25(1GHz 1GB RAM) for something usefull, I found one for sale just now and need to decide if there is any use for it :)

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Yes, you are right it is a DS25 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quic ... 32_na.html

So maybe I should make a bid, right know the bid is $15 ending tomorrow.

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Hi,

I would have it for VMS if but I rather have a real VAX

Do you want it, then bid on it before 23.59 but pls tell me

mvh Michael

Info below.

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No, I started to think to much what I should used it for :) seldon that happends I wish my wife know that it can happend :)

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skywriter wrote: eh, Robbin Harris is a well known boob. his treatment of the facts in this case is typical of the sensationalist journalism he's known for. for modern drives you ARE fine with RAID 6, now and going into the future until Unrecoverable Read Error Rates are revised in the next technology bump.

btw EVERYONE in the industry knew this 5-6 years ago. that's how long it takes to become 'general knowledge'.

Thats also why Sun started working on ZFS for 5-6 years ago since it takes along time to get a mature product, and a filesystem is really a mission critical thing you can't just replace it in a matter of hours it takes days!

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Ryan Fox wrote:


Looks like i need to upload the driver pack, and post a download link here. Oh bother....

PLS do.

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Could you make a Purple Indogo2 aswell I would love one and even a Origin200 :)

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I had PDP11/23, 11/35 11/40 with pleanty of disks and alot of DEC VT100 in my apartment before I got married some 15 years ago now I have a wife and kids in a big house and no PDP :) :)

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Can you make a ORIGIN 200 aswell?

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gosh two Origin with skinns and doors!! I have one with skin and door and one spare door in case I would find one more O200 :)
Are they craylink connected aswell?

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Yes its not at all bad looking for a server I like it and I would love to have one more interconnected :)
I have E250's from the same time and they are much uglier but much much better built actually.

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Great news, can't wait to upgrade the SunRay system!

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D-EJ915 wrote: Usually I don't mind having to log in for downloads but Oracle's sign-in nonsense makes me want to punch myself in the face.
Virtual Console Terminals
Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11 supports switching between X session and virtual console
terminals. This service can be enabled by starting the svc:/system/vtdaemon:default and
svc:/system/console-login:vt* services in SMF. Once turned on, users can switch
between sessions using hotkeys Alt + Ctrl + F#.
About time, even if you absolutely hate linux this is an extremely useful feature I have always felt was missing from other systems.

Yes that is a very very good feature!! Top!!


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Unless you have big memory buffers SSD will not work well on Irix that I am very much sure of.
The device will run quick from the beginning when the disk is fully erased since the SSD can find avalible(erased) flash blocks and write instantly.
Assume that you have a 64GB SSD, erased and new then you put IRIX and XFS on the SSD and you will have maybe 55 GB free after added the swap.

Once you start to create a file(mkfile) say 1GB you will use up 1GB of the 55GB leaving 54 GB to available for instant writing, then you remove(rm) that 1GB file and you will still only have 54GB of free erased memory BUT the XFS will know that it has 55GB not 54GB of free memory(the 54GB is the free erased space). Then you create a 1GB again, and then rm the file and you are down to 53 and so on until your are down to 0GB of erased space BUT still 55GB of free space on the drive but these 55GB are not erased.

Not you create a new 1Gb file but this time the drive will stop for a long period of time(seconds) while the SSD flash cells are being erased BUT only 1GB of them then after they are erased the 1GB is written.

From now on the drive will dead slow.

Now once you are down to 0GB erase

So you need buffers alot of them to buffer while erasing in order to not halt the application, I think ZFS is one of very few that can run nicely on SSD without adding some (erase/TRIM) commands to the FS drivers.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I should add that I went to all SSD for a year or two ago and they don't differ that much.
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skywriter wrote: two things:
1) enterprise SSD's keep as much at 1/3 flash capacity for pre-erase buffer to keep up with performance. you can buy FC and SAS/SATA drives in the several hundred GB range that keep up with wrire speed in bandwidth, sub millisecond response times, and as much as 30K IOPS (Read). SCSI SSD are likely to be well engineered too. the little PCI-E ones are dinky.
2) XFS IO traffic has a lot of 4K IO for data, and small 512byte data for meta data. there are small writes for logging as well. i don't remember the numbers off the top of my head, but it can still be substantial. we just put a fix in for XFS in linux fragmenting large IO's up into smaller ones. what a hack it's become.

the internal architecture of the drive has a heavy influence on the read vs. write performance. multiple flash channels allow you to keep a high random IO as long as there are no writes. once a write occurs, it picks a channel that will now be busy for 3ms during an erase cycle. your read could be stuck behind that erase, and that channel can't be used for anything else. the little cheap ones only have a couple of channels, you're unlikely to see this effect.

the IO working set of heavy DB application can be several hundred GB easy, that couple of GB write buffer will only cut the very small top of your IO skew. i've seen applications with several TB of working sets over a few short hours. in mainframe it's much worse.

Your point 1, if the SSD does not know the FS(most dont) how can it make use of the "spare" capacity?

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I would say that unless you have a filesystem that works works well with SSD drives read is where you get the best performance of them.

Say if you have a webserver,streaming, install server and so. The "SSD firmware house keeping/defrag" that skywriter writes about may help some but
I doubt that the drive will work for a real-time app.

I have tried to use SSD for a real-time app storing videocontent which comes continously to the drive but it did not work well, or did not work at all I should say since the video capture driver did not buffer enough!
The reason for my trying was that I had to be able to stream out(random parts) aswell so seektime was very important in order to not case frame drops.
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rusti wrote: I think the OP gave three reasons why he wants to put an SSD into his Indy:

1) It would be screaming fast - this is obviously disputed and due to lack of experience / knowledge I will not comment

2) It will be silent - I think we can agree this is the case

3) It will keep him from having a disk crash ever again - This is what I would like to comment. AFAIK these flash storage things have a maximum amount of write operations before thay, too, can very well fail. Is this number so big that you can rightfully assume that in a real life application the SSDs will last indefinitely. From what I read so far I got a different impression so I am curious why nobody ever commented on this assumption.

You are absolutely right that the lifetime of a SSD is limited in some ways, like the amount of writes. This is also a reason for having "extra space" on the SSD to compansate for it.
The good thing about SSD is that there is no moving parts so if you read ALOT(say streaming servers) it will not affect affect the lifetime compared to a HD which will fail pretty quick if it a heavly loaded server.
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Pontus wrote: Hi

This is absolutely awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-DpcvY4aBk

This is from the Norwegian Cooperative Nordic Simulator Center(NSC). They acquired the flight sim in 2007 (or so) and have been working on restoring it. It's _awesome_ that they have gotten this far. Imagine getting all that hardware going! It is three PDP-11 cooperating!

I found the Zip-drive somewhat anachronistic and amusing.

Read more here:
http://www.dc10.no/
and here:
http://www.toomuchfs.com/2mfs/showdoc.php?dsn=493

I wonder how the graphics is generated, it looks way better than what a PDP-11 could render.

I'm not affiliated, but I want to take a trip to norway now :D

Thats cool. I have used PDP alot and since I am from defence industri and ATC we have also used them.

PDP11 did not have any graphic options what I can recall, it must be some custom equippent that does the video presentation.

In fact when we made the PPI for Heatrow and Gatwick in mid 80 it was PDP11/34 that worked as DRP(Display Refresh Processors) feeding the PPI DG(Display Generator) via two DL11 at sync 38400 baud.

When we manufactured the huge ATC systems that we once had we tried to by COTS systems once instead of making the processors and OS by ourself by using PDP and later VAX 11/780 but DEC forbid us to use them due to legal reason in case of a accident.

BTW, Pontus we should meet sometime I am very close to you since I am i Bålsta.
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That would be very fun.

December is always a pain but cant we just keep in touch whenever one of us have the time and then see if its possible?
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