The collected works of zmttoxics - Page 6

Yeah, I have several UEFI boxes running Linux... It's secureboot which I assume only OEMs selling Windows 8 PCs are really interested in that is the problem.

I don't really see this whole thing as a problem. AMDs e350 boards and such are all soldered chips, didn't stop me from buying them or other motherboard manufacturers from making them.

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I think what you might want to do is grab the lion or mountain lion dmg files and then the Multibeast utility and build a usb stick with what you need. Booting with the -f -v -x options usually gets you a little further too (safe graphics, force driver load, verbose).

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skywriter wrote: good for you.

now anyone have any experience with ZyXEL?

We miss you on IRC Sky, you should hang out and make the new guys feel bad again. :D

I have a dual wan port ZyXEL at work were not using, aquired it with a batch of other stuff (peplinks and some ciscos). It was supposed to be really good and reliable, but its 5 years old now and doesn't do the new VDSL speeds and such (caps out at 10mb/s on a 25mb line). But other than being old, it ran linux with a pretty complex feature rich web interface and still worked. Must say something.

Never used a netgear firewall appliance, but I buy the prosafe managed gigabit switches pretty regularly. They do great for the cost.
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mila wrote:
They have to be loud since they are thin and deep and made for telcos aswell/


Bullshit.

Any 1U HP is half the dB of those boxes. I would take a DL360g5 over a T2000 any day and I don't have to lose my hearing doing it. The purple 1Us like the V210 aren't that loud either, the silver Suns (not just the 2000) are just obnoxiously loud. Sure in a telco rack or a datacenter, it probably doesn't matter. In an office that doesn't have sound proof walls? Terrible.

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fu wrote:
i guess that both jj and sky are looking for specialized firewall features but since jj mentions dd-wrt and reliability, here's a short nekochan story:

years ago i was looking for a solution to block ads & flashy unicorns at router-level and tillin pointed me to dd-wrt. reading high and low i ended up using tomato ( 1 , 2 ) on a common wrt54gs. it did (and still does) all i need and then some, all via a browser-based gui that folks like me can setup in 5 minutes ( also sports a cli for folks who don't like guis). besides ad-blocking, i just need file transfers between each base. i used to use the built-in vpn features too, but i offloaded most of my vpn needs to witopia since i'm mostly on the road.

i eventually bought 3 of them and found peace. the same old wrt54gs ones in ny & london are still up running -no problemo- for 6-7 years now. i only had to reboot them for a firmware update. i managed to muck up the one in berlin so i'm looking for a replacement, till then the AEBS undertakes router duties.

i stopped worrying about whatever cheap plastic box each ISP hands out w/ every dsl loop when i found out that i can just set it up in bridge mode, plug it into the wan port of my router and go.

my needs are simple, not sure if this will take the weight of a bunch of vpn tunnels or other demanding requirements. smallnetbuilder reports throughput figures & dd-wrt/tomato compatibility for newish models.


I run Tomato on a Netgear WNDR3500L as my home firewall/router. Does OpenVPN, my DDNS, excellent traffic monitoring, etc etc. I hung a 4500 off it not too long ago (summer maybe) as an AP to beaf up my wireless wireless performance. The Router has been solid for 2 years now though, and it was only ~$40. :D

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So nice you posted it twice? ;)

IOS is something I almost never want to play with at home. At home I just want to work. I have stacks of 3750s and all kinds of cisco stuff at work. Work should stay at work, home should be relaxing.

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I had thought about replacing my 2009 iMac with a used Mac Pro, but I had a few fundamental flaws with it (this coming from a previous PMG5 owner who misses his cheese grater monolith). I have a full loaded Dell P490 (have had it for a few years, it was my hackintosh for a while there) with dual 5160s and 16GB of ram (8x2GB for quad channel config) and 4 drives in it. If I had bought a 2006/7 Mac Pro for cheap, would I be impressed with it? Probably not... I would have to spend another few hundred in upgrades and get the quad core cpus, a beefie gpu, etc, etc... Then how much is my cheap Mac Pro and how many features am I still missing from say a new iMac?

I thought about it for days, watched a few ebay auctions, talked to everyone on IRC, co-workers, the boss (the wife), and just couldn't decide what to do. Put and SSD in the iMac? New / used iMac? Get a baseline mini to hold me off for a while? It was a fairly endless conversation with my self.

I really fucking lucked out though. I went to bestbuy last Saturday and managed to find a miss priced open box 2012 base mini. It was marked for $569 CAD which was actually the sale price for the new ones. I bugged the sales rep about it being oddly high for an open box and they repriced it to $499 - but there was a problem. It was going to take 10 minutes for the new price sticker to take hold in the system, so they priced it even lower to $479 since I had to wait. On top of it all, I had a few hundred in gift cards and gift cash in my wallet which officially made this the cheapest new Mac I have ever purchased. :lol: :D

Things I love about it? All the new features. Thunderbolt, USB3, Ivy Bridge performance. All in a very low power, low space package.
Things I hate? The 5400 rpm drive it came with is terrible, worst I have ever had in a mac. I get like 65MB/s in disk perf. It will be replaced, along with an upgrade to 16GB of ram. So I will still have to spend some extra on it, but atleast all of the new features are there.

For shits and giggles, here are some benches of a dual 5160 Mac Pro:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbenc ... %20bits:32

Here is the base 2012 mini (same as mine):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/search?utf8= ✓&q=model%3A%22Mac+mini+%28Late+2012%29%22+platform%3A%22Mac%22+processor%3A%22Intel+Core+i5-3210M%22+
EDIT: Sorry, this link is crazy broken, just copy paste it or take my word that the mini generally out benches it.

In fact, here is mine: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1474097

Anyways, I think I will wait for the next model Pros. :)

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hamei wrote:
guardian452 wrote:
Build quality is not as good as other x86 workstations I've owned and/or used in the past (HP xw series, z800, sun ultra 40, etc).

You had an Ultra 40 ? How did you like it ?


I havent own'ed a 40, but I have seen them and own a 20m2 and work with around 50 20m2s and 20 first gen 20s. My big complaint with the silver workstations is that the cases are a little flimsy. I've seen the panels and chassis warp fairly easily. The plastics (like the front name plate) are a little brittle too, but there isn't much for plastic on them. That said, they are work horses are are still going strong.

If you want a U40, you might do better to look for a Sun Java Workstation 2100z. Very similar hardware with the 939 opterons and supports both SCSI and SATA drives, and its classic quiet purple hardware. A few years ago I got one with 2 cpus and 8GB of ram for $200. The U40s are hard to get that cheap, but its really hard to find drive rails for these guys. If you really want a U40, make sure you get one with both disk planes. This config supports 8 internal drives which makes for an awesome ZFS server. The U20s and the U40s take the classic spud trays so that wouldn't be a problem there.

Hope that helps.

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smj wrote:
zmttoxics wrote:
I really fucking lucked out though. I went to bestbuy last Saturday and managed to find a miss priced open box 2012 base mini.

Yes, yes you did. :) That's an amazingly sweet deal.

There are some Ultra 20's floating around for under $150, I'm tempted to pick one up just to gut it and transfer the MSI 990FX board that's in an old Lian Li aluminum case now. Don't think it qualifies as a case mod, doesn't look like there's any modding required. But then, that's $150 I don't really need to spend -- or could put towards that Philips Hue lighting kit... :lol:


Yeah it's probably not worth modding unless you can figure out how to get more disks into it. The base model U40 has room for 4 drives but the U20 only has room for 2 which is a let down. For ~$100 you can get a new case that has a lot more room and functionality.

That said, if you can get a u20m2 for $150, it makes for a nice low power server that supports VT and 16GB of ram. :)

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hamei wrote:
smj wrote:
are you using the drive fusion stuff, or just using them as two independent volumes?

zfs ?

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5446?view ... cale=en_US

Nope. Though I would think something like Seagates Momentus XT setup would be a better performer (being hardware level based). But this setup definitely allows for much larger SSD space.

Hmmm... Now I want to order that second drive kit... haha

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That is a large quantity for new old stock in 2013. Pretty impressive looking if its not a scam. I got rid of mine a long time ago, I don't think I'll be picking one up but I would be interested in pictures if anyone else does. :)

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My iMac is my home server with all of my home files and such and I do 4 stages.

1: The data is on a Mediasonic 4 drive FW800 array using raid 1+0 (4x1TB for 2 TB usable, divided into a few volumes).
2: The data volumes I care about the most are watched by Time Machine with a 2TB FW800 single drive.
3: My data is mostly replicated between all of my computers, so at any point, any other computer is a restore source.
4: Every few months I pull out another 2TB drive and do a flat copy of the data.

Seems like a lot but mediasonic array was really cheap and I don't have 100% faith in it, especially now that it's a few years old. I just got that new Mac Mini and will likely move to a tbolt solution on it.

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It's not a console. It's a spec. It's a PC to run in your TV stand and run Linux supported Steam games (which has a very small list at the moment), which typically cost more than a PS3.

There were several prototypes by different makers are CES as well, not just this one.

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You are missing the point. The price can not be dictated by Valve when giving vendors creative rights on hardware design. Some steam boxes will be $500 and some will be much more expensive.

The great thing about creating a spec rather than a product, is you can build your own. It's a linux box, running steam. Run with it.

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They may roll their own, sure. But absolutely nothing is stopping you from downloading the packages and installing them on an Ubuntu 12* machine or a Fedora 17* machine like I did.

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http://www.eurocom.com

A canadian company, I know a sales rep that works there but nothing other than that. Server/ workstation in a box. Xeons, ECC, big video cards, etc. No SAS but 4 SSDs is more than you need, surely.

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Lupin_the_3rd wrote:
Thanks for the interesting link, I had not heard of them before.

Looks like their only model with server chips is the "Panther 5SE". A couple show stoppers for me:

1. It says it "supports" ECC, but it uses SO-DIMM laptop memory, of which I've never seen ECC sticks available. Even their own configurator doesn't offer ECC sticks. So the ECC "support" is a sham, since ECC memory isn't available in that form factor, from them or anyone else.

2. It only supports intel Xeon chips, with the most power efficient being a 95w TDP. AMD has server chips with 45W and even 35W TDP - much better suited to a portable machine, IMO.

3. The disk interfaces are all SATA, not SAS.

An interesting link none the less. Know of any others?


1. Lazy research on your part. Yes ECC SODIMMS exist, example: http://www.adata-group.com/index.php?ac ... 6&piid=174

2. *and* are a quarter of the performance per watt. Pointless to push for unless you are hoping it would make it cheaper.

3. Who needs SAS in a workstation when you have SATA3 + SSD performance, 4 of them no less. Raid 1+0 them and enjoy life.

Yeah, there were a few other companies but I think they went out of business because there isn't really a market for this. :p

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Lupin_the_3rd wrote:
zmttoxics wrote:
1. Lazy research on your part. Yes ECC SODIMMS exist, example: http://www.adata-group.com/index.php?ac ... 6&piid=174

2. *and* are a quarter of the performance per watt. Pointless to push for unless you are hoping it would make it cheaper.

3. Who needs SAS in a workstation when you have SATA3 + SSD performance, 4 of them no less. Raid 1+0 them and enjoy life.

Yeah, there were a few other companies but I think they went out of business because there isn't really a market for this. :p

1. Where does one buy these? All of the "Where to buy" links on their own web site do not list them for sale! These mythical ECC SO-DIMM's are very difficult to find. Do you have a link to an online store where they can actually be purchased?

2. No, opteron is not a quarter of the performance per watt. Current server chips like opteron or xeon are not the same as the consumer desktop chips, do a google search and read up on them.

3. You are confused about storage media vs. interface. I know it seems like a lot of acronyms, but these are two separate technology areas. SSD vs HDD is a separate discussion from SATA vs SAS interface.

I know there used to be several companies that offered portable workstation & server hardware, but I'm not familiar with who the players are today. Hence my inquiry. Because I am in the market for such a thing, if it can be had for a reasonable sum, say under $4k.


1. I don't know, places. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HYNIX-HMT351S6BF ... 612wt_1165

2. Hah. Sure, well go with AMD opterons being on par with sandy bridge xeons and let that conversation slide (though if you do any sort of server purchasing, I suggest you update your figures).

3. No, I am not confused on acronyms. I am suggesting that SAS provides zero benefit over SATA3 on a system with only 4 drives, and if those drives are SSD based, you should see incredible performance anyways.

4. This whole numbered reply thing is getting old. At this point you should be hitting google for some practical self research.

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Does it matter even? The statement isn't wrong. The steam library is massive. Steambox compatible is a different subject.

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Just my 2 cents on VNC. Version compatibly can be a big problem. Newer tightvnc clients have issues connecting to older servers even. In my experience, UltraVNC on Windows and JollysFastVNC (I have the Pro version) on OS X have the highest compatibility across different VNC Servers and versions.

I never had anything good to say about Chicken of the VNC.

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I think you will find that Solaris 11 doesn't support the v245, so that should answer your question.

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hamei wrote:
One thing to consider : if you are interested in the "common file system" (or whatever they call it) so that you can share with Windows machines easily, 10 does not include that. 11 does. "Services for Unix" on Windows is pretty clunky.

Not sure whether "does not support" = "will not run" or just "Oracle won't help you." If it's the latter, well, Oracle isn't going to help you anyway so no great loss.


In this case, it means does not run.

If you want CIFS on S10, you can use the SFW Samba packages, they work fine.

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astouffer wrote:
hamei wrote:
@astouffer : Solaris 10 is actually nice but don't install the graphical desktop . That thing is worse than a nightmare. It's the interface that drove Freddy Krueger around the bend. You have been warned.


Thats avoided easily enough as the server has no video card. Didn't Sun drop the CDE desktop and go with Gnome? The world seemed like a more interesting place back when each unix vendor had their own window manager. CDE always looked so bland.


Solaris 10 ships with both CDE and what they call JDS which is basically a theme for GNOME. All Solaris 10 releases have CDE.

But you are right, whats more fun here is that server has no video card. Instead, you have lights out which means a whole lot to me more than a gui on my servers. :)

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tingo wrote:
Did they ever make a T-1000 or T-2000 machine in a normal (workstation) cabinet?
I don't need (or want) any server-grade fan noise here...

The loudest of fan noise. I would search the forum for other T2k threads. Unless you can host it out side in your shed far away from your ears, you wont want to take this disaster home with you.

Cool to play with, but performance is terrible and ridiculously loud.

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Gah... 5 hour drive for me... would be doable but I am in the midst of trying to buy a house and thus - need my cash. :\

Any idea how much you need to feel comfortable with the sale?
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I'll send a pm then...
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ramq wrote: Impressive hardware, really. Didn't know Fujitsu entered HPC?

Almost everything SPARC64 with a Sun or Oracle badge on it came from Fujitsu, most notable is the M class series such as the M9000. They have been this space for a while...
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The clock speed is set by a jumper on the motherboard. I suspect you need the Silver edition as mentioned above to get to the correct 1.5ghz.

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What he/she said.

My advice is to setup a jumpstart server anyways. Making a Solaris 10 VM for this is crazy easy using the docs provided. Spool up your solaris of choice (9 should work on the 20) and away you go. Anytime you need it, fire up the VM and then you can do rescues and installs over boot net.

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f1lm wrote:
Thanks for all the replies, guys. One less boat anchor under my desk, and I finally have a functioning RISC system.

SAQ wrote:
f1lm wrote:
SAQ wrote:
4.1.4 doesn't do XDM, at least by default. Log in and then run "openwin". Make sure that /usr/openwin/bin is in your PATH, or specify /usr/openwin/bin/openwin.


Code:
stout# openwin
/etc/openwin: Permission denied.


Would PATH have anything to do with this? It returned this before and after I set it, although I could be doing the latter incorrectly.

EDIT: It's probably because I'm logged in as root, other users seem to work fine.


See the bold bit. You're trying to run /etc/openwin, you want /usr/openwin/bin/openwin.

I tried setting that, although I apparently did it wrong. After logging into other accounts it starts up just fine but my mouse is acting up and barely moves the cursor (I am using a Sun optical mouse pad, so I have no idea) so it is for the moment unusable, and I'm using a serial console instead to save desk space.

On a semi-related note, now that this thing is up and running, are there any sites with freeware (text-based or otherwise) for 4.x? Google isn't turning up any meaningful results, but perhaps I'm not searching for the right thing...


4.x is going to be tuff. 5.x you will have a much better time. If you actually want to use the machine, I would look at putting Solaris 9 on it (SunOS 5.9). Besides, 4.x is BSD and not UNIX! Who wants that!? ;)

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Neat! That actually looks like a fun project, thanks SAQ!

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I would drop to init 3 and check you have 3d accelerated graphics. F18 and 17 with Gnome 3 gave me this trouble and I had to install the official nvidia drivers to fix it.

Edit: whoops, I read the above backwards. Sorry! Thought you had problems with the new GDM.

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Numbers look good to me. Apple's temp specs are usually a lot higher than what you're seeing.

Perhaps a PRAM / SMC reset is in order to clear the warning lights? If you are really worried there are memtest programs for OSX...

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The other way is to check your configs, down the interfaces and do a "svcadm restart physical".

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Yeah the are pertty much a bone stock PC with a Sun branded AMI bios. If you are looking to purchase one, make sure its a U20M2, way more value there. Dual gigabit nics, DDR2 instead of 1, lots of AM2 chips to pick from (no quad core support though), supports 16GB of ram if you can manage to find 4GB DDR2 dimms and best of all - VT-x support.

The first gen U20... well... I would just avoid them.
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I know its off topic, apologize a head of time, but I just wanted to say something.

Fuck cancer. No one should ever have to deal with something like cancer. Sorry to hear this.

I hope your computers go to a good home.
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In my years of working with super cranky Blade 2000s, here are a couple of notes.

-Make sure the CPUs are torqued correctly, I think the 1000 came with a torque "ring" to use, the 2000s had a green handle 5lb wrench.
-Turn on the machine and then double tap the power button after the light comes on, this should do a temporary set-defaults.
-Boot the machine minus a keyboard and mouse with a null modem cable hooked up, 9600 8N1, that should put *something* on the screen that should put you in the right direction.
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It's not mysterious at all. It's a Sun Type 5C keyboard with a Sun Minidin 8 connector, not to be confused with PS2. The connectors look similar, but the electrical behind it is different. You would need an adapter to use it with a PS2 interface.

These keyboards were sold and used with many sun machines, which specifically I can't remember but I had them on Sun Sparcstations (5s, 10s, 20s), maybe my LX, and various Ultras.
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Not sure it was mentioned but RHEL 7 / Centos 7 default FS is XFS these days, but there may be a version compatibility issues as pointed out.
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You pay Oracle a lot of money.
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