The collected works of Alver - Page 2

If you come pick it up, you can have my v880 for 100EUR dunno what a trip across the channel would cost you but I doubt it'll be that much. 8 way 900MHz, 16GB ram, 10 x ethernet, 3 x fiber. Single disk due to sensitive data so original disks destroyed.

Oh, and 120 kgs or so just so you know. It seems to turn people off.

Can't find it, but perhaps it's known under a different name (pkgsrc sometimes places packages under a slightly changed name to avoid collisions with other packages). If you want to try pkgsrc on UX: http://vanalboom.org/node/17

Just FYI again: one has to be more subtle in saying that "support was dropped" - HPPA is still very alive in debian. The point is just that because of lack of dedicated developers, they have removed HPPA from the "release architecture" list, which basically means that even though HPPA will be still built as before, any bug or problem in that architecture will no longer be considered "release critical".

See also: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-an ... 00008.html

But... like I said before... if you buy a huge 18-wheeler Kenworth truck capable of pulling 80 tons of load... why would you put a 14 year old behind the wheel, and never get out of first gear? Use HPUX dammit!

Sure... I wasn't talking about just this C8000 really, more about big iron in general. You really wouldn't want to run Linux on a modern Superdome 2 either. Also, to keep the analogy alive... an old pickup truck being driven by a trucker will STILL be better than driven by a toddler


Well, at least the Tru64 I/O stack made it into HPUX. 11.31 is a fuckton better for I/O handling than the earlier versions


True, true. You can always use pkgsrc on UX though, which doesn't have this problem - shameless plug: I posted an article on pkgsrc/UX on my site: http://vanalboom.org/node/17 .

It's been a while since I last did some IRIX development, so I fired up the ol' O2 and did a nekosync && update for good measure. Boy, did stuff break... files with bad ownership, causing new users to be created on my system; missing files; binaries linking to obvious build paths in someone's home dir rather than /usr/nekoware; missing dependencies; ...

There's good howtos on creating clean nekoware packages, but it seems they're often forgotten please people, if you dump a tardist in neko's beta ftp, make sure you have installed and tested it on a clean machine - not your regular development box, or at least make sure your dev structure won't interfere. We may need a way to flag bad packages quicker too before more victims are made.

Now to undo this mess before I can start building something...

Nice machine!

My two C8000s have audio cards. There are two versions of this card - one that has 'stereo out' (part number AB620A) , and one that has 'headphone out' (part number AB620-60503). Stereo out means you still need to feed it to an amplifier to get anything out of it... guess which of the two I have but regardless, sound on UX is not that important. The UX tools for audio are terrible, and afaik SDL is the only open source sound library that is supposed to work.

The pedestal is optional - it's just a plastic foot you click on to the tower. It does look pretty though.

The real question is... why on earth do you do that in *PHP*? I can't think of any language I'd prefer *less* for doing that

Back on-topic:

Ada.

It's not the most common or versatile language (I don't see anyone writing games in it) but by Jove, it is great at what it does. Mainly aimed at multithreaded real-time applications. Brilliant stuff.

Can't believe I actually missed this thread; silly to resurrect it like this, but... has anyone got proper/clear instructions on how to overclock an r12k 300MHz to 350MHz in an O2? I'm reading a multiplier needs to be set at 3.5 from a stock 3.0, but $random_deity knows were or how...

Apart from that, MPE/iX isn't really the system you would *want* to run at home, I think... I honestly can't think of a single proper use for it if someone does, do tell.

Also still interested in this. My O2 already is a 300MHz, so 50 extra wouldn't kill it... but I don't want to risk blowing it up for lack of proper instructions.

Hah! Brilliant.


Yes. Yes, she does.

A lot of things qualify as "food". If it can be digested, surely one might call it food... regardless of whether it still lives or not.

Brilliant how the content of this thread about IRC drifts away from the topic equally fast as the IRC channel itself does

bon appetit...

I guess people will find it weird to find different types in the list, but what the heck Also in no particular order.

- Arch Enemy - Tyrants of the Rising Sun. Brilliant live set of one of the best death metal bands around now.
- Portishead - Roseland NYC Live. Beth Gibbons is a goddess...
- Pink Floyd - Echoes. Got my dad to blame for this one...
- Obituary - Dead. Best. Show. Ever. I'd give my left testicle to have been there.
- Vivaldi - Four Seasons, with Nigel Kennedy on solo violin.
- Esoteric - The Maniacal Vale. If you're into (very) dark (very) psychedelic (very) heavy doom metal, check them out.
- Massive Attack vs. The Mad Professor - No Protection.
- Giacinto Scelsi - Uaxuctum! The version by the Kraków Radio-Television Orchestra, with Jürg Wyttenbach conducting. For those who love "modern" classical music... this is a masterpiece
- Ministry - Psalm 69.

But there's so many more...

There's plenty HP9000s that use IDE for cd/dvd too - and those will also take just about anything. But those may not suit your idea of "older" HP9000 then.

Okay, I kind of work for HP, and there was a massive facepalm when reading this very misleading article with wrong conclusions.

Just to set things straight...

There will be no HPUX on x86. Never. Ever.

The port was started in the labs many years back, and it got up to a state where you could actually boot it. But it was killed, and for a few good reasons:
- Customers don't trust x86. Really, they don't. x86 is nice as an entry-level commodity platform, but that's it. Yes, Xeon has been incorporating many of the resilience features of Itanium by now, but there still are a lot of them that simply don't exist on x86. And it's not only the CPU, it's also the machine itself - chipsets, IO, you name it.
- x86 can't handle the load anyway. It only scales up to four sockets, and even then. Cache snooping is bad.
- It would cost many millions of dollars to make the port production-ready. $100 million, according to the estimates. And we all know how things go with estimates
- There will be no ISV support anyway. Why bother spending the above $100 million on an OS that boots, but... there still is no Oracle DB on it? I mean, yes, Oracle killed Itanium support, thereby targeting HPUX. But do you really think Oracle will jump for joy and develop a new port of their DB to a new competing platform? Larry isn't crazy.

So, in short; no, there won't be HPUX on x86. It would be corporate suicide.

The Project Odyssey that Whitman talked about is a project which aims to bring the Integrity line features to x86, as much as possible. Ultimately, we want to have x86 hardware that is as good as the Integrity line in any way, except for the actual CPU chip. And these servers will run Linux (or Windows. But heh. Yeah. Windows.). Unfortunately, for management, the difference between Linux and UNIX is nil.

I'll bet my left nut that what Whitman wanted to say was " Ultimately, we've got to build a Unix-class system on a Xeon chip" . Not HPUX. A Linux, but Unix-class for reliability and performance. HPUX will continue to run on Itanium, and contrary to Oracle claims, that chip is pretty damn good and not nearly EOL yet. And if at some point in the future customers do pull the plug on their UXes because of upgrade paths for eg. Oracle, the Odyssey machines should be there to take over. If the interviewers at allthingshd would have bothered to even check the stuff they're writing on, they would have known this, and I wouldn't have to spend my time explaining customers (and nekochan ) that some misinformed dimwit misinterpreted a CEO's somewhat-too-fuzzy talk on a delicate subject.

Sorry to spoil the fun - I would have loved to play with UX on x86, at least as much as anyone here. But it's not going to happen.

Yup. But being able to IPL is still a long way (and a fuckton of money) off from being production ready. No surprise it was cancelled...


Yeah, don't count on that either. You can run VMS in emulators easily, though, so at least it's not entirely doomed for hobbyists. I have three SIMH emulated VAXen running in a cluster, just for fun. And the new hobbyist program works *really* well, they even distribute pretty damn recent media kits electronically (for free!)

You can still get Itanium easily. Powerful enough to do proper work on, too

I have the same T2 card in the same C8000, and it works just fine with MCOE. Just make sure you install the Graphical bundles.

I have a zx6000 and it's amazingly quiet - almost inaudible. Granted, I don't push much load on it and since it's basically an rx2600-with-agp-cage, it runs VMS just fine, as long as you keep an eye on the graphics.

They're not that easy to find though. I had to ship mine from Ireland. Thing arrived in a pretty sorry state, but luckily everything was still working.

You don't need anything special. I used to boot my laptop's Windows XP partition both directly and in VMware from Linux (yes, this is possible).

- Make sure you have installed all drivers for virtual hardware (you may have to install it directly from the .inf files, since installers detect that they're not running on the actual hardware - VMware does this, e.g.)
- Create a second hardware profile in Windows, and tell it to prompt for the proper profile everytime it boots

When you boot virtualized, select the new "virtual" profile you created. It'll take a while to configure all drivers the first time. After that... walk in the park.

Well, I do that too. I also set a fixed width on websites. Sue me

Creating a website that scales all the way from iPad1 territory (1024xwhat? 650?) up to the current 2536xsomething monitors is a lot of work, and in the end it'll still look ugly unless you create all your pixmaps in a load of different resolutions. Cost/gain, people.

Architect at yet another one-of-the-greatest IT firms in the world (even after firing 28,000 people *cough*). Yes, we have a couple of architectures and a plethora of OSes.

Mainly doing datacenter revamps & migrations.

Who's talking about money ? No one but you

It costs me a fuckton of extra code, testing, etc, etc... while I gain what? The approval of those few people who insist on a) running websites fullscreen on a huge monitor while b) bitching that it doesn't scale to said monitor? Seriously, not worth it Most of the stuff I make has pictures. Pictures are sized in pixels. Unless you prefer having those pictures dynamically blown up to proportions where you get the eighties block-effect, it just doesn't scale nicely.

SVG *is* quite nice... it's just virtually unsupported by browsers. Some implement it partially, some don't implement it at all. All in all, not something you can use for a site that is supposed to be actually visited by people.

Hamei: is that a real dog or a stuffed animal? I would suspect the former, but if it is... tee hee, cute

Hamei: not to toot my (our?) own horn, but I'm board / techie core team member at a non-profit VPS hosting community, located in the Netherlands. Members of the community can get a VPS on our shared platform. Membership + basic VPS (two vCPUs, half a gig memory, 50GB disk, 1 static v4 IP in our netblock, 1 /60 IPv6 subnet in our netblock, FUP bandwidth usage) comes at €10 a month.

It has pros and cons since we're obviously not a for-profit company, and we cannot offer SLA's either. Our site is at https://soleus.nu - some content is in dutch, but at least most administrative info is in english (and we all speak/write english if necessary ). You know where to find me if you want to find out more.

You must have very strange graphics in that if UX doesn't take em. Non HP parts, I guess?

I have a dual boot OpenVMS/HP-UX on my zx6000. I put in a PCI radeon 7000 because the standard card - an Ati FireGL something - was very unsupported in VMS. The 7000 works fine for both.

Ah, true - I forgot about the RedHat 2.1 bundle. Right, you can forget about getting that to work in nonlinux then...

I've been using raid5 for 'disposable' data (can be recovered from the 'net, but takes time and effort) and raid10 for 'private' data.


The raid5 failed twice, and it's been able to recover both times. 3TB drives. No issue whatsoever. I did make sure not to put any load on the machine while rebuilding though. 90%+ capacity available for the rebuild, otherwise it'll be hell.

But... yep, once you go beyond 4 drives, a raid6 starts to sound more interesting

Radeon 7000 and 7500 will work on IA64, so support is likely to be present in PA as well. Can't say I checked though. Other chips? Doubt it. Even the "old" radeon 7000 had to be a specific version before VMS accepted it, so chances are that UX requires a HP firmware bit as well.

But... AGP cards for PA (FireGL T2, X1, X3) aren't that hard to find. Mine both came with T2 standard, and I've seen X* pop up quite frequently as well.