reading this thread again i see oreissig & sgtprobe chiming in which is nice because usually the european members just come and bitch about the US every now and then but won't talk about the mud on their own lawn.
sgtprobe wrote:
For whatever it's worth, Sweden seems to be heading the same way.
and that pretty much sums up the problem of europe. europe forgot what europe is. europe spent the last 5 decades bragging about diversity, civilization and how much better it is than its average american counterpart. a phony fairytale because:
- you can't talk about anything american and keep europe out of the picture (historically, socially, economically, you name it)
- europe ended up being a photocopy of its own american photocopy when it tried the EU experiment (weee! we gonna unify europe and get a single, unified currency to stay "competent", just like the US!). picture a hotel, half of it furnished and ready to accept visitors, the other half still in blueprints (not only for economic reasons).
- thanks to globalbastardization europe turned out to be almost the same shit as the US, except for a few different haircuts and accents. all the major bailout fiascos in the states had similar shows at their european branches.
all this productive/competent brainwash has to go. now. the northern side of europe always had grey skies and heavy industries. the southern/mediterranean side of europe always had blue skies, agriculture and tourism (similar geographical differences in the US but on a bigger scale). the current brainwash in europe dictates that "good, productive europeans" pay for "bad, unproductive europeans". huh? you bite that? your hard-earned life savings were never meant to be confused with intra-organizational EU budgets (EFSF, black funds, bribes etc). but hey, let's scare the funk out of everyone by questioning their job security or savings, or both.
the common distraction line in both EU&US right now is chinesification with an added spice of xenophobia. "
see how productive the chinese people are? all for $2/month and 5 grains of rice. bad, bad boys, you've been getting overpaid for so long, now we gonna have to adjust you job/wage/life
".
oreissig wrote:
...but actually I don't think the people making decisions have it either.
this is true, internationally. the financial industry is nothing but an imaginary sex fiend for a bunch of greedy horcefaced gamblers who can't socialize. anyone who understands what a debt-based economy is, try to explain it to the folks in your neighborhood (CDS, spreads, leverage effect etc. and count how many will laugh/cry/collapse). the price of bread on your table is being gambled up in the stock market tickers, it's not based on normal wheat production. the whole thing is gossip-driven.
to make it all stick together it is everyone's fault. democracy requires a mature, thoughtful, educated public. the right to vote doesn't come with an undo button, it is the ultimate civil right. part of our civil life includes the duty to monitor whoever we did elect, and take them down every time they fuck up the public for their own personal reasons. kinda hilarious when the same channels that are selling you democracy talk about
bailouts for the preservation of democratic and economic stability
.
this ain't about left or right anymore guys. this is the biggest redistribution of wealth in the history of mankind.
it is a freaking, tasteless mess and probably the best time to use condoms. no more newborn slaves.
robespierre get your wild bunch together, we need a new "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen" or just photocopies of the original. i'll call upon ariadne, nemesis and plato, looks like we have to re-invent the wheel.