The collected works of R-ten-K - Page 5

Hamei, by all means do not let your lack of basic knowledge, comprehension, or understanding of a specific matter deter your from lecturing others on it...


Back on topic: This is an interesting system, I hope it finds a good home. Cheers.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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I tried installing it on a fresh Debian 7 system on amd64, but no joy. For some reason, it only works on systems with the old gdm (scientific linux/centos in my case).

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Axiom does not mean what you want it to mean...

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Interesting concept. I actually like the external expansion idea; but I think for it to work a lot of price points need to be right: thunderbolt expansion subsystems, and the "processing" cylinders (aka the mac pro proper). Which I think it's not going to happen, but who knows.

In any case, if any of you can find another product which can pack as much generally programmable computational density in the same volume, I'd be very interested in reading about it.

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ClassicHasClass wrote:
R-ten-K wrote:
Axiom does not mean what you want it to mean...


But I'm pretty sure pedantic does.


Oh snap!

It's just that some of us come from countries that are, or were up to some recent point, dictatorships. And we got a chance to experience, first hand, that them dictatorships are far from efficient, as far as systems of governance go of course. Thus the axiomatic business...


Anyhoo, carry on...

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SAQ wrote:

Yeah, it's a nice small case, but by the time you plug in expansion units for I/O, external drives, etc. you loose a lot of the small factor and you have cable spaghetti across your desk and power strip minefields underneath. For a rackmount machine you often have to plug together different units, but at least it goes in a case to keep it all neat.


It all depends on the price points that these units and the associated thunderbolt stuff reach.

The cable mess is not a big deal, most of those devices can be daisy chained, and there will be an industry of accessories for cable management to keep the Apple design junkies satisfied. Now, if the "cylinder" is priced competitively, the prospect of being able to upgrade the computing of a machine used for video stuff, for example, by simply swapping said cylinders while keeping the rest of the stuff already invested and which moves at a slower pace of development (data arrays, mid bandwidth specialized PCI-E cards, etc) intact could be attractive for the sort of audience Apple may be targeting: professionals or organizations who don't really want to know much about computers, but who need to do stuff with them that requires certain degree of compute power.

The degrees of integration has turned the computing devices into commodities. And apple thus far has made bank by seeing that trend. I personally don't quite care for this device/design personally, as far as shapes of objects go I prefer boxes over cylinders.

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It's not that there haven't been noticeable impacts, it's that they haven't been ones that are really all that great. It's cool that we've got forums like this, and we can send email across the world many times faster than it takes to mail a letter, but overall were we really that much worse off in, say, the '70s or '80s for not having "modern" software? Seems to me we got along just fine back then.



Computing technologies are quantitative in nature, which is why I suspect these sort of qualitative/subjective debates usually lead to nowhere. E.g. From my perspective, there have been some fantastic advances and some great technologies have happened quite recently, and are happening as we speak.

We tend to mistake our first contact, or the mastering of a specific implementation or process, with the actual essence of the technology itself. I'll assume you came of age when home computers were starting to be adopted. I bet you that if you interact with a young kid these days, a person that has grown in a world where the internet has happened and it is taken for granted, you two will have a completely different mental concepts or images for what "computer," or what "great" in the context of measuring a technology mean to either of you.

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commodorejohn wrote:
Again, though, I'm not saying there haven't been some spiffy things done, I'm saying that the Dark Ages didn't extend through the 1990s. The fact that a kid who's grown up with PCs being commonplace fixtures of daily life might see it that way doesn't make it so.


That's not what I meant, at all.

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I'll have what he's having...

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skywriter wrote:
it was late for me. and what i had was bog of money for them. i must prefer the east. what have you got patents on r10k? if you can be civil?


just a few thus far, plenty of stuff still in the pipeline though; a couple regarding out-of-order structures, a couple more having to do with cache and memory controller stuffs for multicore, six or so on the design (and manufacturability) side of things, and one last set dealing with failure analysis and automation thereof. Boring specialized stuff with limited audience, and spread over a couple of employers and uni. I must add that filing patents individually and under the umbrella of a large organization are two very different processes, from personal experience.

Anyhoo, I don't have much of an opinion either way regarding patents. I hope this response met your particularly high standards of civility.

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thanks, and may the skies be clear and the stars plentiful to you sir.

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Unless there is a compelling business reason, e.g. required software that only runs on that platform. The fair price for an unsupported 15 yr old computer should be " free " with +/- $25 margin of error, or a 6-pack of beer (which ever is more expensive).
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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GUI and behavior-wise, Mavericks seems to be fine. At least Apple is not rocking the boat, on the desktop, as much as Microsoft is trying to force fed a touch-oriented interface down every desktop user's throat.

What I find annoying is the silly arbitrary hoops Apple creates with every new release, when it comes to turn OSX into a proper development workstation. The whole having to track down the command line tools, after having installed Xcode, via an obscure additional download is annoying as hell. When those tools should be part of the Xcode package to begin with. A lot of FOSS ports were broken as well, due to arbitrary library/tool changes in Mavericks. Although most of those have been resolved, but still... annoying.

The retardation and removal of features in iWork and the App store as the distribution model for software is indicating that Apple wants to converge OSX and iOS.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
pyramid with thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
You could try using mineral oil, should be significantly cheaper.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
pyramid with thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
Old foggies don't like change and are scared by it... News at 11. :P
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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commodorejohn wrote:
R-ten-K wrote: Old foggies don't like change and are scared by it... News at 11. :P

Pretentious snots think they're being hip by dismissing any dissenting opinion with "well, you're just afraid of change , granddad!" - film at 11.


"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"... so thanks, I guess?

If some of you consider the stylistic changes in 10.10 unacceptable, then inform Apple by either not buying their products or contact their organization and tell them directly. Bitching about it ad infinitum on a random internet forum with little to no traffic is a waste of time and effort IMO, but I assume some of you prefer to commiserate with perfect strangers about it. Horses for courses...
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hamei wrote: In fact, the early stuff going into space all had to be wired, too. No circuit boards allowed ...


:lol:
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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I was just laughing because I assumed hamei must have his own definition of what a "circuit board" is. Since his comment seemed to imply "circuit boards" and "wiring" being two antonym concepts, as if circuit components were just wired together and that was that...

In any case, most of the early aerospace was wired (and yes, using circuit boards) because that was the contemporary technology. The requirements of the aerospace sector were a big pusher of the PCB/SMT tech in the middle/late 60s, interestingly enough.
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commodorejohn wrote: Not that I completely (or even mostly) agree with hamei, but pulling out the "well, well, you're just a stupid person who hates Progress and lots of other people thought new things were bad over the course of history! " argument is the tech-discussion equivalent of resorting to Hitler comparisons.


self awareness, that post has none...
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hamei wrote:
With the exception of dentistry, I can't think of a single thing that is as good today as it was in 1975.


Well, right there is your problem...

hamei wrote:
R-ten-K wrote: self awareness, that post has none...

Could you diagram that sentence, please ? I didn't do very well in my ESL courses :oops:


Don't sell yourself short dude. I'm sure if you put your mind to it, even a lackluster student like yourself can get the gist of that sentence. Watch "Stand and Deliver" if you need the proper cinematic motivation.

Cheers.
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It would be fantastic if this project could be opensourced. But I seem to remember there were some licensing restrictions? I can't see how SGI would care about the IP in the Indigo Desktop anymore, alas...
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Kumba wrote: If this was true, you'd think they wouldn't mind releasing some hardware documentation on the older systems and their chips, like what's on the Indy, O2, and Octane. I tried contacting SGI support for R14k/R16k docs, and they really didn't know what I was talking about. Instead, they directed me to see what is available on Techpubs.


Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet a lot of those HW docs are long lost. :cry:
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hamei wrote:
R-ten-K wrote: Well, right there is your problem...

I know ... it's a bitch. I have all these repressed memories, see ? So when I go to the dentist office I am not in a good place to absorb the wealth of knowledge in those learned journals. I have to use my own brain, which is a poor puny thing compared to all those industry pundits and marketing department press releases.


Okay...
hamei wrote:
R-ten-K wrote:
self awareness, that post has none...

Don't sell yourself short dude. I'm sure if you put your mind to it, even a lackluster student like yourself can get the gist of that sentence.

I dunno :( To start with, I wasn't aware that a "post", i.e. some electronic words on an electronic page, could in some way be self-aware ? In fact, as a sentence, you seem to be trying to say "That post has no self-awareness." Which is, well, kind of obvious ? Sort of like saying "That tree has no uranium" or "That girl has no rutabaga" or "elephant tusks, that bird has none."

I am guessing you were trying to express some sort of meaning but what it might be escapes me ? Could you explain this in English ? Thank you for your assistance in this matter.


Well, at least you tried. That's what really matters.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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As far as I know, the relationship between Irix and vxWorks is that back in the day Irix was supported as a development platform/environment targeting VxWorks/MIPS embedded systems, since the MIPS Pro compilers produced compatible (with VxWorks/MIPS) exe objects.

If SGI used VxWorks internally in any capacity themselves, it was probably for the embedded parts of their HW. Stuff like the system controllers and what not.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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Yes Stallman may be a weirdo, but unlike some of the weirdos in this site, he has a fairly extensive technical track record and has substantially influenced (in a positive way) the field; at the very least he helped large amounts of people (like me) have access to tools like EMACS and gcc. And for that I'd buy him a drink anytime, even if our approaches regarding personal hygiene disagree significantly.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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Huh? this project does not use the GPL, or has anything to do with it. Why bring it up?
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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That's a Pixar "Render Accelerator" board. The "creative" name says exactly what the board does; it uses the transputers to accelerate renderman in HW. You could scale these boards in a single host system, by linking up a bunch of them using the transputer links, to cut down rendering time significantly.

Nice save, pixar never really got any traction with their HW products, so these things ought to be rarer than hen's teeth.

The only references to it I know of are from some academic papers; https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/ ... thrift.pdf
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You may be thinking “600MHz CPU?” - but that CPU is totally badass because it is actually a MIPS CPU with a 5 stage core pipeline. Compared to a 20+ stage pipeline in Intel CPUs, it is roughly comparable to a 2.4GHz Intel CPU with just the pipeline alone. Add in the fact that the MIPS CPU architecture doesn’t have any baggage in it’s high-performance pipeline, and the end result is that it performs far faster than that!


:roll: uh? that's not even wrong...
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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I don't really understand your point. In the examples you've provided, the algorithmic causality of the code seems to be unaffected. No?
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I have no idea what's going on in your make file and what it is linking to, but that code should run just fine; it should get stuck in an infinite loop not seg fault.
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ClassicHasClass wrote: Sounds like an issue with the standard library? Are you not including the right header?


stoi is a function introduced with C++11.

I don't know the options the OP is passing to the compiler. But I believe xlC needs the "–qlanglvl=extc1x" flag to activate the C++11 features in the compiler. But I don't know if stoi is supported, since last I checked xlC only had partial coverage for the C++11 standard (I could be wrong). If that is the case, the OP can still use atoi or stringstream which do not depend on C++11.
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I imagine there is a forum, somewhere else, where physicists and mathematicians put up equations written by software "engineers" to laugh out loud at them.
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LOL. I'm starting to get why a colleague recently added systemd to the list of interview items/questions he uses to filter out candidates for IT positions.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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Register windows? In the XXI century? After all we know about architecture? Why dear lord, Why?

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ivelegacy wrote: Don't you like Berkeley RISC legacy (SPARC) ? :D
Do you prefer the Stanford University solution (MIPS) ?


The point is that even the principal people involved with SPARC were forced to recognized that register windows were a bad idea, eventually. Anybody doing an out-of-order SPARC has at some point wished they had a time machine, so they could go back in time to when the idea was proposed, and slap with a rotting herring whoever was responsible for it.
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HPC != single system image. A 200000000 iPad cluster would count perfectly as an HPC system if it's used for doing computational work.
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a
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Well, the sybase-based (pun intended) MS SQL server product was over 20 years ago, it predates NT even. It has been rewritten from scratch since, at least according to the former boss of that business unit @ Microsoft.

I don't understand for whom Microsoft is targeting this product. The main value proposition for MSSQL server is that it is the de facto big DB system for the windows ecosystem. But if you're not part of that ecosystem, there is not much value going for it. MS seem to be in a mode where they keep throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks during the past 5 years. Which I personally think makes for wonderful schadenfreude.
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foetz wrote: not what i meant at all. i meant a system designed for professional use.


That distinction to me appears irrelevant, honestly. There's plenty of "professional" work getting done on iPads on any given day. Or a more serious example being the IBM Blue Genes, undoubtedly supercomputers, their building blocks are crappy embedded PPCs. A computer is a computer is a computer.

I simply disagree with things like the Top500 being meaningless. To the people in the field it provides a good snapshot regarding HPC and its realities.
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japes wrote: So this could be a play for embedded and small systems.


I would personally bet against that. The only thing that MSSQL brings to that space is cost. Why would anyone go out of their way to pay a licensing fee to microsoft, when already working alternatives are free?

I am going to be most probably wrong. But, to me, this move probably makes more sense in the context of large scale, for stuff like azure. Microsoft may have won the desktop. But on the infrastructure end of things, the free alternatives (linux, the BSDs, foss embedded systems) are either good enough or better. Nobody, not even microsoft perhaps, would be stupid enough to base their cloud infrastructure on windows server machines, at this point.
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electrithm wrote: I will likely use C with SDL and some Mono and Ruby.


SDL is not supported on SGI, and neither is Mono. There's the answer to your question.
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