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Oskar45 wrote:
I can only comment on Maya [don't have any experience with the others at all].Sure, it's great to get tips etc. for Maya 6.5 [official IRIX support ended March 14, 2006]. But as an artist [and the forum mentioned above is squarely aimed at such], I couldn't care less for such an outdated version even if it runs on my SGI boxes [yes, I've 6.5 installed, but I'm not a proferssional artist at all]. To stay up-to-date, I'd most certainly be rather interested in tips for utilizing the tons of features added since then - and, currently, Maya for other platforms holds at 8.5...So, in your opinion - what is the benefit of getting hints for Maya 6.5 on IRIX when I can get hints for Maya 8.5 for other boxes somewhere else?

BTW, since you are so keen in defending old software - I still have a few questions regarding Explorer. Would you be willing to help me there?


Well, you are partly right about getting hints on maya8.5 and stuff, but imagine, Final Fantasy: Spirits Within was done in Maya version 1 and finished on 2.5.

Citing
For example, we used Maya as our main tool, and we started from pre-1.0 release and ended with version 2.5.1.

link

So I wonder whether there are really so many professional artists using all the new features in 8.5. Because what makers of that Final Fantasy movie could achieve on version 2.5 was still not outgrown by any other movie (except "sequel" Final Fantasy: Advent Children (which was not connected to story of TSW in any way, but was done by partly identical artists (only Japanese)).
So when I think of it, for me an artist can be excellent artist without the latest tools.
You know, expensive and luxury chess set does not make you a good chess player.

On other hand, I agree, that some tools are available only for newer version.
I work with maya from time to time, and to be honest, I like version 4.5 much more than 8.5. It's because of speed. 4.5 is like a turbojet comparing to 8.5 being a Cessna. You really need to experience it yourself to believe.
That's why I wonder why all the recent development is almost always focused only on the latest version. I believe there are more people like me, who like older version more than new one.

as http://www.oldversion.com slogan says " becuase newer is not always better "
though most of people would doubt this, I believe.

and btw, sometimes if you have good progamming power (understand as lots of programming monkeys) then you can develop your own ways:
We developed custom deformation and simulation tools with names like "shapeDriver" and "sqFlex" which were used for many of these tasks, rather than using commercial tools like Maya cloth.

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actually exactly this trick, but also many others were more deeply described in book Real World Linux Security by bob toxen (this is not an ad :)

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Actually, I enjoyed reading manga and watching anime called Hikaru No Go .
I can provide link to manga (comics) series of this anime, but I don't know whether it's legal here in forums. (The thing is, that manga was free at beginning, but after some time few companies bought rights for manga in their countries. So now sharing this manga is legal in some countries, but is not in some others.

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Oskar45 wrote:
fvador59 wrote: Perfect reflection :)

Would you have argued the same way if I'd have talked about Photoshop instead of Maya?


from Photoshop version 6 there has been literally no major change except ability to edit more layers at once. I can imagine myself working with photoshop version 5 as good as with cs3.
although, new "features" may save some time, but they are not crucially necessary.
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foetz wrote: the main difference is the speed and the size. cs3 compared to v5 is much bigger and much slower


I completely agree. I noticed the biggest difference in speed between Photoshop 7 and CS (8) version.
Also in terms of size - integration of tools like bridge and others make PS act really slower (at least the startup)
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nekomusume wrote:
aww, sounds like my ex boyfriend. He tossed out my old OM 10 camera, burned all of my CU amiga stuff (oh didnt I say I was/am a diehard amiga fan), wrecked my guitar and amp (that was the last straw, it was a 70's Strat!!) as well as leaving me with a phone bill for when he phoned ..... you know hmmm lines ... (well am a geek, I actually care more about my old band and my computers than sex), sad I know but for me its messy and stressful >_>


sounds like you killed all his family and his friends ;) .
no, really, what have you done to that poor guy?

yeah, and BIG machines are actually better than sex (having fingers on 32cpu machines is better than orgasm, actually).
they seldom bore you and they never betray you :) :idea:

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nekomusume wrote:
Ah see I have a twin sister called Lucy but shes a bit >_> and likes to call herself Loki, so I fed her Dave, Last I heard of him was a phone call calling me a evil bitch, I thanked him as you do and told him the truth about himself.

I agree, but I left him for a catgirl called Kim, her cat Ron kun, Tokyo Mew Mew DVDs and manga and a IBM System p5. :P

That said am happy that am Bi and poly


you live with another girl? :) that's evil :twisted:
and yeah, power5 are slick processors (imo one of the best, if not the best ones on the market).

i still remember my first contact with that machine, it was like first kiss :) :
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toxygen@p5_1:~$cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 1
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 2
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 3
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 4
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 5
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 6
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

processor       : 7
cpu             : POWER5 (gr)
clock           : 1654.344000MHz
revision        : 2.1

timebase        : 207051000
machine         : CHRP IBM,9124-720
toxygen@p5_1:~$

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nekomusume wrote:

Least I'll be able to move all of our computers up to one place =^..^= my SUN and Sgi stuffs in bracknell, london, Sunderland and glasgow.

so am like hmm were is that file ... oh its on the Indy thats at my mothers only 200 miles away O_O


imagine every computer having it's very own ipv6 or ipv4 address and you connect to it from anywhere and fetch your files.
i'm fucking waiting for such age to come... when any device will have it's communication chip, starting with fridge ending with my monitor. setting everything by connecting from outside.

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nekomusume wrote:
lol but we'd run out of ipv4 addys and IPV6 if everything had a ip


maybe not

wikipedia wrote:
The main improvement brought by IPv6 is the increase in the number of addresses available for networked devices. IPv4 supports 2^32 (about 4.3 billion) addresses. In comparison, IPv6 supports 2^128 (about 3.4×10^38) addresses, or approximately 5×10^28 addresses for each of the roughly 6.5 billion people[1] alive today.


but just in case, that we would really run out of addressing space, there are always chinese with their ipv9:

wikipedia wrote:
It [ipv9] has been described as a protocol similar to IPv6, but with a 256 bit address space instead of IPv6's 128 bit address space

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today i read:

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The licensing of the Hikaru no Go manga will not affect the fansubbing of the Hikaru no Go anime as when it comes to licensing, anime and manga licenses are unrelated. That is to say when a company publishes the rights to the manga, they only get the rights to the manga. At current, no-one has licensed the anime.


so I would like to recommend you Hikaru No Go, which is anime that attracted tens of thousands spectators.

you can download it here:
http://tinyurl.com/y63esw
user: hng
pass: hngpwd

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Well, if we are talking about movies, for me it was "The place promised us in early days"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381348/

it's not one of those figthing anime, rather it is more about emotions.

and from childhood it is Princess mononoke, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119698/ , I guess everyone saw it :)

And one more, Appleseed, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401233/ , was pretty nice also.

I must note, that I have rather strange taste for anime/manga, so I bet most of you anime fans won't agree with my selection...
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D-EJ915 wrote: "The place promised us in early days" aka "Beyond the Clouds" is freaking awesome, one of the best things I've ever watched, period. It was really moving.


I'm glad that I found someond who watched this movie and liked it! :D
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josehill wrote: By the way, Mac OS X dynamically allocates swap space as swap files. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro with 2 GB physical RAM under Tiger, while running six Firefox tabs, a full instance of XP Pro via Parallels, a couple of terminal windows, and Lotus Notes. Current swap = 137 MB.


how did you check? top? Activity Monitor.app?

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serenity-2:/private/var/vm root# ls -la
total 5242880
drwxr-xr-x   10 root  wheel         340 Nov  9 20:16 .
drwxr-xr-x   24 root  wheel         816 Nov 10 17:31 ..
drwx--x--x   26 root  wheel         884 Oct 23 20:26 app_profile
-rw------T    1 root  wheel  1073741824 Nov 10 15:21 sleepimage
-rw------T    1 root  wheel    67108864 Nov  9 11:16 swapfile0
-rw------T    1 root  wheel    67108864 Nov  9 13:01 swapfile1
-rw------T    1 root  wheel   134217728 Nov  9 13:02 swapfile2
-rw------T    1 root  wheel   268435456 Nov  9 13:02 swapfile3
-rw------T    1 root  wheel   536870912 Nov  9 13:09 swapfile4
-rw------T    1 root  wheel   536870912 Nov  9 20:16 swapfile5
serenity-2:/private/var/vm root# du -sh sw*
64M    swapfile0
64M    swapfile1
128M    swapfile2
256M    swapfile3
512M    swapfile4
512M    swapfile5
serenity-2:/private/var/vm root#


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PhysMem:   247M wired,  473M active,  290M inactive, 1011M used, 13.0M free
VM: 11.8G +  119M   503847(0) pageins, 328559(0) pageouts


uptime ~1 day. before last reboot i had uptime 13 days and swap grew over 4gb.

i have macbook, 1gb memory ( :( ).
right now running:
opera - 4 windows, each window 20-30 tabs (i have loaded them so when i'm offline can go through them)
photoshop (only small files, <50mb )
activity monitor.app
terminal.app - 5 windows
itunes
mail.app
skype
property list editor.app
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josehill wrote: Hi toxygen,
I used similar methods to what you described. While those are a lot of Opera tabs, my bet for the source of the difference between our systems is Photoshop, which has a lot of memory management tricks that it performs it is launched. It could also be that with 1 GB RAM, your system needs to start paging to swap earlier than a 2 GB system.
-jh


I'll be little off topic, but as far as I know Tiger can only allocate more and more swap files. Thing is, that after few weeks of uptime that swapfiles grow to heaven size. Leopard is supposed to remedy this situation and being able not only to allocate swap, but also to deallocate it. question is, can anyone prove or deny existence of this essential "feature"?

many thanks
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heh, glterminal simulates flickering and low baud lags. formidable!

http://x86.sk/~toxygen/jpg/glterminal2.png
http://x86.sk/~toxygen/jpg/glterminal.png

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fatal_error wrote:
But... is there anything similar available open source?

Probably not. I wonder how easy it would be to make such thing with sdl, a some kind of a wrapper. Hmmm. Im thinkin about it. Because that glterminal is so cool.


well, not open source, but free.
http://www.tuaw.com/2006/02/01/glterminal-for-os-x/

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nekonoko wrote:
The original release had a cool application icon too ;)


yeah, i think it won competition for the most inappropriate icon for a program :)

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zizban wrote:
GLterminal does rock...too bad it doesn't work real well on intel.


I have it on intel and works just fine.
if you see white screen go to preferences and change render engine.

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mmendez wrote:
toxygen wrote:
zizban wrote:
GLterminal does rock...too bad it doesn't work real well on intel.


I have it on intel and works just fine.
if you see white screen go to preferences and change render engine.


How's the performance you're getting on Intel? I downloaded the app but it's a PPC binary. I'm tempted to write a clone from scratch and make it run on FreeBSD, IRIX and OS X.


The performance is according to emulation - not lightspeed, but not a snail.
I would love to see that on linux/bsd :) so if you can, go for it :idea:

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semi-fly wrote:
toxygen wrote:
heh, glterminal simulates flickering and low baud lags. formidable!

http://x86.sk/~toxygen/jpg/glterminal2.png
http://x86.sk/~toxygen/jpg/glterminal.png


This is the hottest terminal mod for OS X. :)

http://code.google.com/p/blacktree-visor/


yeah I use this one

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is anyone here in posession of this wallpaper? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Irix332.png
if so, are you willing to share it?

cheers

marian

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Arabski wrote:
You mean this one? :D


thank you very much.
lot appreciated :)

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Don't even think about upgrading to 10.4 - it'll go slow as hell.
though, going 10.3 should be fine, from my experience it can be even faster than 10.2.
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hello,
i'm going to university (either czech republic or japan) and we have agreed with my friends and high school classmates that we will stay in touch and build a server for data sharing. Mainly movies, music and knowledge base.
While on high school we utilized my server with ~1tb storage. I personally would invite upgrade from p4 2.66ghz i have now. Therefore I'm planning to buy some brand server and pack it with 4 to 8 hdd's to get at least 2tb of redundant storage, 1RU if possible. it will be placed to some colocation centre...

so far a have had a quick loot at sun:
sun fire x4140 x4150 x4200 m2

however, these servers looks quite pricey to me.
so i had look at ibm direction
ibm
x3250 m2
x3650 express link

i think the opteron vs xeon doesn't matter much nowadays, mainly as i'm not going to push the cpu to its limits.
i would like to know what do you think of dell, because i personally don't like them much (i have several bad experience)
i'm also open to other brand servers. so if you have any good experience...

what would you advise me to go for?
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pentium wrote: Entry level for me was a Compaq Proliant 1600 with five 9.1Gb hard drives and two 500Mhz PIII processors.


a least smp :)

VenomousPinecone wrote: http://www.ironsystems.com/products.asp


thanks, will check
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I would like to ask if any people here are either vegetarians or vegans? Me personally I'm vegetarian for more than half a year and now I'm "upgrading" to veganism. I simply don't believe that killing animals is right, if you think I'm wrong, check www.meat.org to the end, and we can discuss it.
To the point: I'm really bad cook (imagine the it nerd at his best), so I would like to ask, if anyone can share some good & simple recipes for vegan diet.
I know there are tons of them on web, but I hoped to find some which people like in particular and which are easy to be prepared even by me.

Many thanks in advance.
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well, i personally think, if gorilla, whose DNA is 97%–98% identical to that of a human link can enjoy full health only on herbal diet, I can do as well. And I don't feel like I'm first in the world to find this out.

nevermind this windows-linux discussion (which leads precisely to nowhere).
any recipes? ;)
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Toxoplasma gondii infects over half the world's population. Each of Toxoplasma's victims carries thousands of the parasites, many residing in the brain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/scien ... ref=slogin

half of the world's human population is infected with Toxoplasma, a parasite shown to alter the brain function of rats, inducing them into behavior that benefits the parasite but is suicidal for the rat. So what affect does it have on humans? Article comes complete with Heinlein 'Puppet Masters' reference


Toxoplasmosis is considered to be the third leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the United States. More that 60 million men, women, and children in the U.S. carry the Toxoplasma parasite

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/to ... -sex-ratio

QuicksilverG4 wrote: No meat? And give up the benefit of being at the top of the food chain? :)

i think i will play this price gladly. half of the human population is infected by the parasite mainly due to meat consumption. thanks, no.

if eating meat is "normal", i don't want to be "normal".
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sybrfreq wrote:
*DING!*

Humans evolved to eat both meat and veggies.

that's very true. but people used to be pure herbivores for 50 million years. just after then they adapted to meat. they started eating it, their digestive system adapted (bacteria in stomach to process meat). however, their outer preferences did not alter - you do not have teeth, body, or general digestive system adapted to eating meat.
at some point, hunting, processing meat on fire and eating, meant a lot to human kind - they could populate areas, which they couldn't before because of insufficiency of food. these were times, when meat was essential for their lives.

but now, we are living in different times, meat is not an necessity anymore.

sybrfreq wrote: Not eating a balanced diet will most likely lead to questionable health, maybe not in 5 years but perhaps 20.


very true. but what do you know about balanced diet? does it imply eating meat? i don't think so. many experts, better than me or you, think it does not.
as i'm not educated in this area very much, i would rather not oppose you or make any statements.


sybrfreq wrote: What about the vegetarians that eat fish, are fish not animals?


they are. i do not eat them. only because we do not hear them screaming while they are tortured, it does not mean they do not suffer.

sybrfreq wrote: We eat beef, chicken, fish, because they taste good, if we were not supposed to eat it it would taste bad.


carnivores like the smell and the taste of decayed meat. do you? do you like eating carrions?
or better said, do you like eating raw flesh?

in case you have spare minute or two, here is funny video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq4UF9uqXFo
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porter wrote:
toxygen wrote: you do not have teeth, body, or general digestive system adapted to eating meat.


Eh? We have canine teeth.

and what does canine teeth in human have in common with eating meat?

pssht, i give you hint: gorillas have canine teeth too, and they are herbivores.
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nvukovlj wrote: Ah, I love it when people with no real knowledge of the subject (e.g. diseases of humans / animals, etc.) find something on the Web and start quoting it to justify whatever their current beliefs may be.

e.g. Toxoplasmosis. Yes, a lot of people have it and many other parasites. Parasites are successful precisely because they rarely cause their host real problems (provided they are reasonably healthy).
Parasites do not come just in meat.

Another couple of scenarios for contracting Toxoplasmosis:

1. You Grow your own vegetables because it is healthier
2. A cat infected with Toxoplasmosis goes bye and takes a crap
3. You don't wash your vegetables too much because hey, they're organic
4. You eat the vegetables -> hello, you're infected

1. You have a cat
2. One day it contracts Toxoplasmosis (it ate something that had it)
3. You clean its litter tray but forget to properly wash your hands.
4. You grab a snack -> hello you're infected

Conclusion. To be safe from this particular disease:
1. Wash your vegetables in bleach :D
2. Shoot cats on site. :twisted:
3. Don't eat undercooked meat

The first scenario I mention is of course fairly far fetched. The second one actually isn't although by far the most common way to get this particular parasite infection is from undercooked meat.
After all I don't want anyone going out there to shoot cats. I make some of my living by treating animals (I have a Veterinary degree).
I have also seen first hand how animals are slaughtered for food. It isn't pretty, but these days there are laws that in most cases ensure that it is done quickly.
Vegetarianism and even more so veganism by choice seems to be a lot more prevalent in affluent heavily urbanised societies where people find it hard to reconcile the food they buy in supermarkets (all wrapped nicely) with the reality of how it got there. That leads to the guilt when they think that the cute pig/chicken/cow they usually see only on TV is one day likely to end up as a slab of meat...

Anyway, enough of a rant for one day


first, i would like to make clear that i didn't start this thread to found a flame.
second, so far i haven't seen even one recipe, and that was all i was asking for

ok, you are right with the facts about toxoplasmosis. i exaggeretad, but i only wanted to make my point clear. yet, i don't consider having a parasite (even not causing any known harm to you) in your body is a good thing.

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It is estimated that between 30% and 65% of all people worldwide are infected with Toxoplasmosis. However, there is large variation countries: in France, for example, around 88% of the population are carriers, probably due to a high consumption of raw and lightly cooked meat.


you are very right with the city thing. but that's not my case. i'm not from heavily urbanised area (i live in slovakia, for god's sake). i didn't like the meat since my early childhood. only meat i could eat was rabbit and chicken, all other food was just gross for me.
but you made a good point :idea:
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Gray Fox wrote: What Operating System are you planing to run on it?


basically any unix-like system as long as it is free. from linux(debian, centos) to bsd-likes, even solaris :)

to others: thanks for suggestions. i have been rather busy recent days, but i will have a look at it in few weeks. thanks to you all!
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http://x86.sk/~toxygen/rbhuang/
hope that helps.

p.s.:
shub1snprom.bin is from sles 10 sp1 propack 5 sp3
4.07-snprom.bin is from sles 9 sp4 propack 4 sp4

sizes of both are same, but md5sum differs, no idea why.
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rbhuang: did you succeed?
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NMP
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out of curiosity, how much electricity does indy r4k draw?
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I thought I would share it as I don't have such amount of macs@home everyday:




only the white one is mine.

btw: using synergy on 3+2 monitors was fun =]
single octane 300mhz w/o cdrom in 1997: 557 257 Czk ($16000)
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foetz wrote:
toxygen wrote: single octane 300mhz w/o cdrom in 1997: 557 257 Czk ($16000)


except there was no r12k in 1997.


you are right. it's r10k 250mhz. i mistaken it for another octane.
btw. dual octane 400 in 1999 for about $25000, but I will have to check it to be sure (czech republic again).
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what's up?

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