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I have a much more serious and important question.

How come it says Team Picard but the topbanner on the site shows the retro Kirk Enterprise?
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Err... Did SGI make laptops? I've never heard of this.

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Anyone here use their Silicon Graphics systems to make graphics?

Post stuff!

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
YES. But the mods might complain. pm it to me.

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Post some!

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Either, I just wanna start one of those "post your artworks" threads of stuff made on SGIs.

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Awesomes!

I like to have a "retro" computer around. I found an old Pentium (the first one) in a pawn shop and I loaded up Windows 3.11 on it. Just like my family's first computer - a 75mhz Pentium with 8 megs of RAM. Then I loaded in all the games and my old software like Redshift and Macromedia Action 3.0 and so on.

I even got it to go online through my broadband and ran AIM and stuff on it.
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Awesomes! I like the wacom one.

What's onion skinning?

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Oh! Like what you do with a lightbox? I used to have one of those and I tried to make a few simple animations. It worked but it killed my arm.

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
So does mine but the lightbox crosses the line.

I just do the same thing in Gimp now. I take a sketch then I cut it to half opacity and I draw the heavy lines in a layer over it to make inked pictures.

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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Eww, we really didn't need to hear about your grandpa and his mastodons :?
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
You name your computers too?

I'm still trying to come up with a name for my Octane. I wanna call him Frank Dukes. My PC is named Pete Mitchell and my eMac is named Pussybitch.

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I tried to try it but I couldn't get the free for download tools to work right. Windows is a rather alien environment to me and their server tech is downright funky.

It ~should~ be pretty easy language-wise but I'd jump on it now if you aren't familiar with how Microsoft's web server software works. I'm an apache\perl dude and it baffled the fuck out of me.

I'm pretty slow though.

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See also: Cognitive dissonance
I'm Joe, I'm 19, and I am an alcoholic.

Err, shit. Uh.... I mean, I'm a Java Programmer.

...I get those two things confused a lot :?

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Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Thread ressurection attack!

So I finally got settled in here with my Octane and after brainstorming what to do, I came up with two things:

1) It's got tons of RAM so obviously that means high res images which means printing res which means I made a cafepress shop.

http://www.cafepress.com/cultmonkey/

So there's some of my art made on an SGI.

Which isn't really spectacular art-wise, but I just like the novelty of doing everything on my Octane.

2) 3D art. I taught myself how to make character models in Blender. So I work for some company that makes some multimedia deaf literacy education software and I did rotoscoping (is that the term?) over a video to make a character do sign language.

Now to figure out how to upload the very very short clip.

I need to get myself a server so I can put up more than a cafepress shop.

I have a 3D alien dude with a tie and a combover.

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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I got zapped by a camera capacitor once when I was a kid but it wasn't as bad as that :?

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See also: Cognitive dissonance
I've got a brand new Mac Mini with an Intel GMA750, and my old GeForce2 outspecs it quite nicely :?

Maybe they meant "Fastest within the context of Intel's budget GPUs."
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
When I go to save a file or open a file, it doesn't show fonts! I can't read filenames. Fonts everywhere else in the program work. This was true for the 2.43 prerelease and the current 2.43 release.

What might be the matter? Is anyone else seeing this problem?

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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I get the same error.

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Done reading panel instruments
Loading stars from /usr/nekoware/share/FlightGear/data/Astro/stars
Loaded 850 stars
initializing cloud layers
texture =
texture =
texture =
texture =
texture =
texture =
X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
Major opcode of failed request:  145 (GLX)
Minor opcode of failed request:  27 (X_GLXCreatePbuffer)
Serial number of failed request:  44
Current serial number in output stream:  47


It does this no matter what I do. I put in an .fgfs file with:

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--control=mouse
--browser-app=/usr/nekoware/bin/firefox
--disable-intro-music
--disable-random-objects
--disable-sound
--disable-hud-3d
--disable-clouds
--disable-clouds3d
--disable-real-weather-fetch
--disable-horizon-effect
--in-air
--disable-specular-highlight
--disable-skyblend
--disable-textures
--timeofday=noon
--fog-fastest
--geometry=800x600
--visibility=10000.0
--fov=50

--prop:/sim/rendering/static-lod/detailed=500
--prop:/sim/rendering/static-lod/rough=5000
--prop:/sim/rendering/static-lod/bare=15000
--log-level=debug


But it still tries to process the clouds and crashes when it does.

I know it is reading the .fgfsrc file but it does not respect all of the options.
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
No, definately not IRIX on x86. It's not l33t enough.
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
the old CEO disappointed us fans and freaks by dismissing graphics. But he did what he had to do quite well.


Yup, like throw out all the graphics technology and make products that nobody gave a rat's ass about while other companies make a fortune on graphics for consumers

It was the only way :x
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
It's not just that there'd be a lot of specific code, is that being SGI's Unix is the main point of IRIX.

You know how all that works! Companies license the Unix source code then they customize it for their platform. IRIX is a Unix like any other with your command line and Motif and all that jazz, the whole point is it's going to run on your MIPS SGI, provide awesome MIPS compilers, offer full OpenGL and support for the 8 channel sound cards and 48-bit framebuffers and fifty mega billion jillion terabytes of RAM and whatnot.

IRIX has lots and lots of neat features and big numbers but so will most proprietary platforms for very big computers.
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Nah, it wouldn't have saved them.

The problem is that cheap, commodity workstations were going to kill them because consumer graphics were getting huge and taking over.

So they went for the workstation market head on specifically. That's like attacking a walled city; not recommended.

They should've went the other route and got into consumer graphics. They have done consumer graphics devices before with the N64. Not that the N64 was in any way competitive in the 90s, that's not my point, my point is they had the resources to invest in developing something new and competitive on AGP or something. It's not like they couldn't transfer their patents and know-how to another target market.

SGI had enough coolness in graphics that plenty of people would have loved to have an SGI graphics card. I would've. I was familiar with the name SGI since I was a small kid and my brother showed me an article in his EGM magazine about them. Everyone knew SGI and had a strong association, SGI with graphics.

SGI for storage servers? Whiskey tango foxtrot?

It sounds very conservative and "safe" to think they should abandon the "flashy" graphics business and focus on those workstations, but we all know how well that went in practice.

Obviously hindsight's always 20/20, but I don't think it was a bright idea at the time either. If they could invest all they did to develop IA64 systems and completely reinvent their product line to compete with something everyone knew would kill them, surely they could spend that money to get into a business that (for very related reasons!!!) everyone knew would be huge.

You can't say they didn't know NVidia and the consumer graphics companies were going to be big; that's what got the ball rolling on all this.
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
What makes you think that if they couldn't compete with commodity workstations they could compete with commodity graphics?


Caaause making commodity workstations they would be selling essentially the exact same thing as any of their competitors.

Consumer graphics - and I'm talking about gaming class and above - is very competitive and they could actually put their technology to use. They've made GPUs for game consoles before, that's what ATI and Nvidia are doing now in addition to gaming cards for consumers.

And cards for workstations. The proprietary workstation may have gone the way of the dinosaur but workstation class parts for PCs are still on the market from ATI, Nvidia and a few others I can't think of right now.

SGI had a lot of technology years ahead of everyone else. Technology matters there.

Low class, made for MS Word type chips from Intel and SiS aren't what I was refering to.

It's a dead horse. You could fill an Encyclopaedia Brittanica-sized bookshelf with "they should have" but ... they didn't.


I know, I just get tired of hearing it's what the had to do .

It was a completely unambitious decision made from fear. Basically "RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! CHEAP GRAPHICS ARE BETTER THAN US!!!"

I don't respect that at all and I don't think that sort of decision should be praised. It's wasn't wise, safe, mature, smart.

Making grown men cry.


:lol:
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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
SGI had a lot of technology years ahead of everyone else.


Emphasis added for anyone who's going suggest I was implying they have anything relevant now :roll:
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Sweet! I'm gonna try it first thing in the morning - if I turn on the SGI now it'll wake up the misses.

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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Yeah, the XML button makes it write the data to a file instead of actually rendering immediately.

I tried the new update! It works fantastic, didn't have hte problems I had with 2.43.

Only thing left is I can't change the font for the text tool.

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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Looks like a mountain of fun.

Did you get one yet?

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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
MisterDNA wrote:
There was much kissing.


With the middle manager you don't like?

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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
If you want a poor man's...one of those...consider a Dreamcast mod chip & serial cable.

I dunno what prices are like in Finland, but back in the states, I'd be able to get the whole shabang for under $70.

You can code for the DC, use controllers, plug it into the TV, etc.

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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
For a while I thought .NET could be relevant here; Microsoft has been pushing that for ages.

But unless you have an Apple style arch change fiat, it could take 20 years for most software to move that way if that's the way they wanna go.

And of course you'll still have stragglers.

IIRC it took years before Photoshop finally had the Motorola 68k code scrubbed out so it could run on Intel Macs.

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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I don't necessarily disagree with Apple's take on Flash, but they're reminding me of Nintendo in the early 90s.

In short, Nintendo was being a huge dildo to ISVs.

But it was OK cause they were #1 and they felt they could do whatever they want.

Then when the Playstation showed up, a lot of them jumped ship.

Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy VII and others came out for the PSX and Nintendo was a very distant 2nd for the next ten years.
Maverick 3: Athlon X2 7750, 2gb, Windows Vista
Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I've always wondered exactly how it was even possible for Acrobat Reader to be such a monsterously bloated program...

I dunno if it still is though, I quit using it many years ago.

It sounds like it is.
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Since there's no delete button, I'll simply replace this post with something fabulous .

Image
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
Yeah, I see the point... but I don't think the planet or the human kind will dissapear because operpopulation, overconsumption, overcapacity...


I think the next period is gonna be pretty rough, but honestly I see humans being around for a loooooooooong time.

My bet is on millions of years.

Other species have done it. Crocs. Crocs are my favorite beast.

Are we stupid? Of course. Can we blow our leg off? We could almost completely kill ourselves off in 2 hours with a few button pushes. Will we? Maybe! And in 50 years we won't even remember what lesson we were supposed to learn.

It just won't be the end .

It'll just really, really suck, but still.

I think people can't imagine human civilization lasting because, other than constantly fantasizing about it for the entirety of human history, our written history isn't that long so we have absolutely no mental image of what a million year old civilization would even look like.
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I used a workaround.
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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
It seems to me we're just getting started. I mean, we haven't had all this technology for but a hundred years and we're supposed to permanently destroy ourselves on it already?

I realize that we can do that now , but the way I see it, this century in front of us is the do or die moment. The ultimate test to see if Hamei is right or if we get to join the million year club.

Oil and fossil fuels are quite finite so scientist's predictions about CO2 pollution & global warming are beside the point. Even if they're wrong, we can't just stay on oil forever cause it will simply run out, and then we're boned.

We could say, as a metaphor, that God put it there to give us exactly one chance to start a civilization that can stick. Its a great big energy freebie. We can squander it, but it also gives us an opportunity to keep going. It lets you build the rockets, refine the uranium, manufacture the solar panels, pipes, power lines and hadron colliders that let you become that "tier 1" civilization. Do or die.

Just how bad CO2 is doesn't matter; there's no point in using the oil unless we're gonna use it to aggressively move off the oil to the next thing. Its not for desperately fighting over it so we can joyride til it runs out or we kill ourselves on it.

If it turns out that the scientists are wrong and we can cope with the pollution just fine, all that means is we'll last long enough for the free market to right-size us. Which will suck far, far more than certain people fantasize.
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Frank Dux: SGI Octane2 R12k 400mhz 1.5gb

"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
I think people who use Flash are artists who don't want to deal with the retarded mess that is using HTML & CSS for graphics design. Fighting with multiple browser's renderers...

Its a lot better now that people are abandoning support for IE6. 90% of the problem was IE6. But a lot of professionals still strongly prefer Flash.

You could just have a bunch of programmers do everything instead of artists.

That works...OK. Its very elegant in ways no real people give a rat's rear about, but it looks like this .
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"
My head's not where it ought to be so I'm not gonna post right now. Ate something I shouldn't.
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"Chief, look! I learned to make fire! Who knows what we could do with this... We should learn to control it!"

"Ridiculous. How can you justify wasting time and effort on this so-called 'fire' when our children are freezing to death at night?"