HP/DEC/Compaq

I think libel and defamation mainly only hold up in places where there is still some sort of honour that families or places carry, US has none of that obviously.

so speak for yourself.

... exactly, which is why US companies prefer to file cases about stuff posted on the internet in a jurisdiction such as the UK. Anyway, write what you want about who you want. Ignorance is bliss.

As far as I know they are used in specialized CAD and printing systems. Check out this link halfway down the page... it's some sort of printing setup powered by an AlphaStation 200:

http://www.murphyauctions.net/printwerkscat.html

Yeah, they are happy to change the janitors about as often as they change underwear. But the dumbasses are perfectly happy to build essential business processes around a crappy closed-source Microsoft product.

The janitors are looking smarter every day, Sky

basura in, basura out! i always say!

He has a point, Sky. Or did you guys tar and feather Rush Lamebrain when I wasn't looking ?


Oh damn. Now look what you made me do ! Google hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, you know.

Look at the photos ... I could have sworn it was China.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/salud-bien ... rana_.html

Do you understand yet why costs in third world countries are cheaper ? Does it make sense to contribute to this shit ? When are the managers going to figure out that the swill we've been fed for the past thirty years by managers was just some lunatic Viagra-overdose fantasy ?

By the way, why did a search for "garbage" come up with this ? Any idea ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/

Awww!!! ...I was just about to begin a great discussion with you because I thought the pictures were from some other place, but after reading the article (by the way, "Taringa" is an argentinean website!) now I learn that the pictures are from Paraná! ...this is at the other side of the bridge that joins Rosario (the city where I live) with Victoria (city of Entre Rios, where Paraná is located):



So... all these garbage is at less than 150 KMts. from my home, and I was not awared of that! Thanks, Hamei!, now I feel I little worst!

Anyway... I think I'll check it twice... is these shit for real? ...I never thougth we were SO BAD! Thankfully our side of the river is a bit better:







..or at least seems enough good to have lots of foreign ships stealing our waters every month!



That movie is one of my films of cult! You got to love the Red Stapler's guy!

So you have any examples of what you're claiming or you just make that completely up ?

As I said on the previous page, google 'libel tourism' for examples. If you'd done that earlier you might have saved youself from making several more ill-informed posts. But you do what you want. I've made my point several times now and can't be bothered discussing it any more.

Cool idea, kramlq ! We could take busloads of John Birchers to the edge of North Korea and let them scream "Kim Jong Il is a turtle egg !" across the border. And so on ... the possibilities are endless. Let's patent it

of course he was vilified. or did your propaganda machine miss the whole story?

what i object to the constant harping on US politics, policy, business, and celebrities as if they were the only sources of ethical misconduct, or the accusation by extension that my family has no honor. anyone who thinks that can have my personal boot up his ass, no charge. i'm proud of my family, my nation, it's history, and even my company. if you want to think ill of us, i advise you to look at your own nations history. there is not one that doesn't have some atrocity in it's history.

on the subject of alphastations: i had a friend i used to work with from DEC look for an interview at my current company. he still worked at the DEC/HP at the time, and had an in at the department that dispositioned returned equipment. i was going to trade him an interview for a lead on a nice big alphaserver. even with strings pulled on the inside i couldn't get a good machine cheap. for some reason DEC equipment seems to hold it's value longer than most any other computer. i should have saved my VAX 11/750. oh well.

That has no relevance about what we were talking about. That is all about the wealthy, claimed terrorists, and tabloid journalism. Actually show a single case of libel involving someone talking bad about a seller. You can't. Where Paris Hilton files her latest libel suit doesn't really concern me.

Show me one case of libel decided against someone complaining about a seller in the UK on a forum. Seems simple enough for me. That is all I am asking. Go for it.

I swore I wouldn't respond anymore, but I'm now starting to believe you are not just trolling and genuinely don't understand. So one last try:
1) People here made accusatory comments. Bad comments about anybody are potentially libellous, whether they be about celebrity lifestyles, professional incompetance, terrorism, accusations of criminality etc.
2) This opens the potential for legal threats. Neko has had to deal with such threats in the past from eBay sellers, and said he would prefer not to have to do this for comments made on a forum he voluntarily funds.
3) You seem to feel that because such a case in the US would be difficult to win, that gives you the right to say what you want about who you want on here. First, that is against the rules. Secondly, a case would be much easier to win in other jurisdictions, and this is possible for comments made on the internet.
4) In many jurisidictions, to win you would have to prove comments about a seller scamming are 100% accurate. How would you do that?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 009293.ece

Actually, libel threats concerning people talking bad about sellers in feedback led eBay to come up with this for their own site:
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/community/defam-form.html

Regardless of whether a libel case actually happens or not, even a threat of legal action takes time and potentially money to sort out (in this case, Nekos time and money). Keeping your opinions about sellers you've never even dealt with to yourself can eliminate these threats. But again, you do as you wish. At least now you know some facts.

Actually, no, that wasn't what you were asking. You asked:

Referring to:

And kramlq provided it. It's not necessary for him to anticipate every possible permutation of thought you might have, and try to preemptively post a response.


It's not just that. GE Healthcare is suing a Danish researcher in the UK over claims about their products, stifling scientific debate - this may finally lead to new changes in UK law. This has been pretty big news, which apparently you weren't following given your comments which have an isolationist US tone. kramlq has done more than enough for his point. But that is neither here nor there. The real issue is that it doesn't matter whether sellers win such lawsuits - the threat of the lawsuit, or its process, is just as damaging to most people as the end result. So such suits need not come to trial. If you'd been around long enough, more than one has affected nekochan. And do you think that the changes eBay put into their bidding processes and feedback had nothing to do with legal action?

I've fairly recently gotten my hands on an DEC AlphaServer 1000 4/266 (with 256 MB RAM, a FireStorm framebuffer, FC adapter and so on). It's capable of running OpenVMS 8.3 (though I wouldn't want to try, it'd obviously be rather sluggish), but 7.3 works just fine. I'm amazed how snappy the system is for its age and specs. I guess in that sense, they must retain a lot of their value. Perhaps that businesses would be prepared and are capable of affording the prices asked. Else I couldn't explain the pricing either.

I remember back in the late 1990's in the call centers there was some call routing software that only ran on Dec Alphas..... And I can tell you at this call center we had some super ANCIENT servers... 32 way 486's running NCR Unix... ugh.

It's been years so I don't quite remember the name of the product, but the call center world runs on the Avaya/Lucent platform that has it's own call routing solution which naturally is completely incompatible with the other one requiring alpha's.

So much like the NCR unix stuff, these things find their ways into companies because that is what the developers knew how to code with 'quickly' and they wind up in production.... Much like the next we had hiding in the back doing something....

I wish I could remember it's name, but it's been nearly a decade!

NCR used to be owned by AT&T, so that probably explains why you had the NCR server. Surprised you didn't have any 3Bs hanging out there as well.

Alpha was a good platform, so I wouldn't be surprised if technical merit was what convinced the company to use that box.

We did have 3b2's at college and I think I missed the wave of those things being replaced.... But I did just remember that the giant NCR's were on FDDI.... It's been the only time I've ever seen that stuff in the wild... Didn't the 3b2's have FDDI interlinks? I know the ones that we had were Starlan, and it was a big deal for the planetarium we retrofitted the 3b2s to as we managed to get the starlan stuff to run under Windows 95, and with a little luck with the compiler we got samba to build on the things.... Oh the horror!!!

I'm still drawing a blank on that call routing software, it was a nightmare to integrate, and of course nobody ever used it.... It was one of those CIO pet projects that not only went nowhere, but resulted in a lot of people losing their jobs.......


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I just remembered the software.. Genesys call routing. It was a freaking nightmare to setup... And our 'unix' people were SUN only... when the project folded they wouldn't let me use the alphas for work stuff... hell they even insisted I use some ultrasparc server for tftpbooting routers and whatnot.... I remember I caught one guy screwing around with my stuff, so I wound up compiling SIMH on the SUN, and running NetBSD Vax on the thing.... lol.

Here is a budget model for ya..

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HP-AlphaServer-E ... 512wt_1055