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hahaha just put one post for me and one post for ham, then it will be 668

nop got this from ian's site. oh! thats great then and hmm may i know how you disassmble these libraries? are you reading binaries? or API documentation? would love to follow your foot steps on this coz i think i can have some spare time for this

hehe i see, thats ok shades ill just PM you soon then lets discuss our game plan

hmm if you say disassmble, do you mean you use a debugger to do step by step on the assembly program? or are you decodin raw binaries? oh! i think i download that code but it was for linux?

hmm ok2 noted, its a great plan btw, IIRC i read from Ian site that DMBuffer is used by ICE for input and output while dmIC is the API, does this helps?

hmm ok2 this indeed sounds interesting, will look fwd to this then

hmm if you mean RAM on it does it mean its like a SOC? or you mean registers? coz i thought its an ASIC and ASIC is not capable to have RAM inside? or do you mean the cache memory? sorry for my ignorance hope you can enlight me i also thought that all datas that will pass to ICE is only via DMBuffer in which i assume is only on the main memory right? maybe it just need a pointer? anyway your statement is motivating hehe its still doable but just need to be optimized for ICE right? ok2 then! lets do this oh just notice, you meantioned decoding JPEGS.. but i thought ICE was indeed built for JPEGs, do you mean some other format of JPEG?

oh!!! that then thats more interesting then! but yeah if thats the price, hehe i still need my arms and legs hehe but if the same luck will happen to me again, will see (my luck: paid for PVO, arrived is PVO+MXE)

ah i see hehe and yeah its indeed an interesting card.. let me check local taobao then


oh? you mean the card alone? or the card still inside Octane? that indeed is cool to try!! hehe but how about an OS that doesnt need MMU? Minix maybe? or RISCOS? not sure hehe or an RTOS maybe? i love RTOS coz thats where i work everyday

oh!! ok2 noted then but hmm its already confirmd it doesnt do floating point as stated at ians notes.. anyway still this ICE needs to be melted hehe

haha then expect a smooth money this coming CNY

btw shades, one question for ICE.. when we use the Analog Video in, is ICE utilized to handle the window size? i mean it can resize the video resolution to a higher without degrading the image quality?

just last year i chat with VAXMAN for my new account on FAFNER.. goodbye FAFNER.. and welcome FASOLT..

hi jc! congrats for your new Octane hehe reminds me of my first experience too

ok im just a bit confused of your LEDs, which one are the lit ones? X or O? usually its the O right? if so then it means your system only has the PCI box, QD, QB and QC running, which is very strange.. but if you say X is the lit one, then BaseIO, QA and Heart is running, so this is more preferable, can you please confirm which one you mean to have a better understaning on the situation?

Base from your description, first Green, then stays at Red, it failed the diagnostic and we need to see which one, does it show on a monitor where it fails? Please note it should have a kbd and mice inorder to pass the diagnostic too.

If you plan to check it through your minicom, make sure remove the kbd and mice first then connect your null modem cable to COM 1 coz thats the default for Octane? Then if all are well it should dump the messages to your minicom and see where it fails.

for now this is all i can say.. one thing to consider too is dust bunny on the compression IO, but lets wait first for your next reply.


btw, happy CNY to everyone! hehe just got back from cold north mainland.. curse the weather up there hehe sorry ham

hehe its ok im used to hot weather coz back home its always hot hehe but yeah i agree, summer down here really almost feels like home only missing are the coconut trees and some natural shades

wow! qiqihar is far north than harbin! you been there? my God i wonder how people spend their winter there.. actually i been to cold places, but the only thing missing here in mainland is their heating system.. they rather get use to the colds? than spending a nice hitech warming system..

my worst experience this CNY was to take a bath on a public shower.. dont ask more.. also encountered the most disgusting but very funny scene was.. on one of the service station we stop to stretch our legs or use the WC due to tha 29 hours ride.. when i went in.. someone took a dump on the boys urine bowl!! my God.. poor guy.. maybe he cant wait anymore.. but one thing i wonder was all the people inside just ignored him hehe just like he was not there sitting on that most uncomfortable position hehe thats one most cool thing i saw in my life, but even if i get crazy one day? im sure i still cant do that hahaha

hi estuans! btw congrats on your Octane and O2

hmm not sure if this helps but could we try check the output on this command in IRIX
thats for 6.3, after that please do a to disbale debug mode.

did you try ping your O2 from another machine? but you mentioned no lights on your switch hmm lets hope its not a hardware issue.. anyway its too early to say, lets just wait for your more inputs, then people can help you here anytime

Morning estuans! hmm ok, and after you check this did you try disable the debug mode? maybe all the time it was in the debug mode? hmm oh maybe your chkconfig can help too? also yoy printenv at prom? sorry to ask more hehe just want to check details hmmm my O2 laptop is 6.3 but yeah at first it was bloody when i try to connect it to our net.. i still have many plans to resolve yours but lets just wait from your input oh! also nice idea, but we need to assume your O2 is using VGA display, let it boot gentoo linux using their liveCD after that you can also debug it under there just to make sure if its indeed hardware issue. so still many gameplans hehe dont worry, this obstacles are the freebies when we get this great machine

hi est!

oh! hmmm ok2 so lets wait for your printenv then, but you mentioned you did a resetenv? i think theres nothing wrong then, but lets just make sure also can you provide the chkconfig? maybe theres a daemon not running?

ok! that would be a nice way to zero-down the probabilty, so if ever you can use the net on gentoo or BSD, then we can say the hardware is fine and the culprit is irix6.3 network config.

ok thats good to know hehe its always better to have the problem in software then in hardware

i have a strong feeling its just network configuration, did you set the necessary network files?

got back from my oral surgery (2 wisdom tooth and 2 molar, all removed one time) damn it was an awefull experience.. lesson learn, always listen to your doc and dentist

anyway, because of this post, i really got into LISP and the LISP machine and while resting for 5 days i stumbled on this site: http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=11

his idea really interesting, tempt me to buy a FPGA kit but geez spent 1400USD for the surgery ouch.. now its my wallet that hurts hehe
his idea of a "sane" computer is really cool! hehe any comments?

hahaha then thanks for waking me up then
it almost suck my soul hehe

Morning guys

Just curious in anyones approach on this case: if you are assigned to design and implement a Lisp machine, which approach is more ideal?
1. Design the hardware to accept and execute the bytecode generated by todays Lisp compilers?
2. Design the hardware to accept your own optimized instruction sets base from your own designed Lisp compiler/interpreter?
3. Design the hardware to interpret the Lisp syntax?

hahaha joystick??


love to hear more

hahaha thanks im bit slow lately, maybe bcoz my "wisdom tooth" were removed?

hmm ok, 1 and 2 are indeed the ideal way.. and i need a VM to have temporary dev environment hmmm ok will dig more btw how about #3, is it not possible to design a processor that reads and understand Lisp syntax without compiling it to a lower level? i think tihs would be cool right? it just like a computer talking to our language, not us talking to them hehe

hi oskar if you want a Symbolics, i found this guy and he want to give his 3600 a good home, and still got others he accepts trade and even just beer hehe check this out: http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/index.html

and he is near your location than me

hi robe! ok2 got your point thanks! compiler it is then hehe btw todays LISP compiler, are they generating machine codes specific on what machine they are running? or are they generating bytecodes that are still to be run on a virtual machine like java?

ah i see, ok all are noted, thanks for the clarifications i think CLISP is the way to go.. hmm is it possible to implement the bytecode virtual machine on hardware? or is this what the LISPM was, a harwdare that interprets bytecodes?

hehe we already exchange emails.. hope you can get the 3600! he wants it to have a new home for free and note, he loves photography? so i guess you two will get along hehe one of his barter whish list are some Nikon lens or something so.. for the beer? i offered him our local tsingtao.. or my fave san Miguel but your HP sounds mouth watering! ok let us know your Symbolic goes, yours is more realistic coz your location is near than mine anyway lets see then, prost!!

oh! thats what i thought so thanks for this confirmation so lisp machine instrucion is way to go, will conitnue read that document from MIT and see how to implement it using todays tech

hmmm is it possible to remove the machine instruction code layer? what if the compiler will output the microcode? oh! its because its not changeble right? coz its stored on a ROM geeez but would be nice right? if the compiler will generate microcodes then store it on Flash then from there it will be executed by the processor?

thats super! hehe

hi robe! sorry was busy again.. but i read your post already and did more research on your comments and all are becoming clear now, really thanks for all this info hmm all this sounds CISC like right? When i try to search a RISC LISP CPU, i saw someone implemented it but not sure it got done hmm

btw, just finished watch the video on Kalman Reti's talk at Boston last year? wow!!! watching the demo using VLM, i cannot believe what i saw! all those cool features already done on an 80's machine? my God.. and i think even some of those features are not available on todays OS right? why so? is it because of the C language barrier? or are just developers lazy to implement such cool feature? esp this one: you can change the code even the program is running, then just recompile it, tada!! how i wish Lisp machine will return and taking advantage on todays hardware techs..

today, also planned to use Lisp for one of my task, parsing a big data files? hehe coz of urgency, i just picked my strength.. C even faster for me with C#, but neh, just want to try C again on PC's.. tired of always C on embedded field hehe

sorry but still cannot resist on dreaming to own a real Lisp machine.. how's your Oskar? did you made the deal? me, still asking Ian's help how to ship it here hehe but very slim chance why does all the cool stuff always not on my side

using C under Cygwin on a i3-2100



is tarai wrong? coz it wont spit 7

oh! sorry oskar, i miss to read the rule, should only be in SGI.. later ill try on my O2 and Octane

hi robes! wow! all you said here are true coz these days im digging about Lispm and all very educational, even now i can imagine how difficult to desing CPU architectures hehe really had fun reading.. esp the history? About the two group at MIT AI lab and RMS at the middle? hehe really interesting people too.. anyway thanks again for confirming all this info, ill just keep reading and keep dreaming for a Lispm revival hehe hunting for a good FPGA for starter now..

hehe reminds me of a nice VMS joke.. the point to the joke was the reason why that black monday happend was because they use IBM instead of the VMS

hahaha yes2!! its this one hehe thanks for finidng this back smj, really funny story

hi oskar





hmm after changing the y to z, i got this:


now its 6 hehe near to 7 already

i just got the code from wiki hehe maybe its wrong?

hehe did i mention this machine can finish an infinite loop within a sec

hi vish! hehe strange right? but i try your 2nd implementation and using oskars comment on using z than y, here is my output:



i guess your 2nd implementation is the best but need to change y to z.. but why?

hehe good night then! let's just wait for oskar then

Octane 360Mhz R12k
MIPSPro 7.4


O2 300Mhz R5k
MIPSPro 7.30

Hi guys

Currently im learning Lisp and one way was watching the videos from MIT Open Course Ware.. just finished first video and during the course i try to try all the examples by hand and one thing im confused is this:

average of 1.5 and (/ 2 1.5)

from the video it shows 1.3333

but if i use my calculator it should be 1.4166?

im just confused which is indeed correct..

Morning robe! hehe thanks, indeed a good choice coz from the beginning i learn terms and techniques..

yes! this is it! hehe even if its old still very helpful, only the resolution is a bit low, but good thing is theyh write the words big enough hehe

yes i agree on this, also the other professor Gerald Sussman was great and a bit funny type hehe oh! i see, so it means im learning Scheme now which is another dialect hmm thats why when i notice they use DEFINE here but i remember on CL books i read they use DEFUN hmm ok noted with thanks but this still can help me right? btw i noticed they ran the code on a machine, was that machine a LISP machine? so does it mean LISP machine was designed to understand CL and Scheme?

you got it! thats the part i was refering hehe so its indeed was an error right? thanks for confirming, anyway the example still arrived at the right answer hehe jsut want to clarify myself that our todays computer is doing OK hahaha

Morning Oskar! Oh why so?

yes2 that it hehe but hmm i think i didnt miss any step coz that error was on the early step where (try 1.5 2) -> 1.3333 even robe confirmed its was a mistake but yes his final result was correct hehe

ah i see, thats what robes told me too but is this still helpfull? 30 years ago? waaah no wonder my age remindes me of that no. hehe

but yeah, thanks guys for letting me know, i think i just finish this course then use this knowledge to proceed with CL
then later will build my new Lisp machine hahaha

oh did i mention im currently contact Joe Marshall? coz i learn he has the remaining parts of the K-machine? i plan to base it from that design coz it was implemented on RISC.. looking forward for a fruitful endeavor then

morning ham! we got 3 days holiday

hmm not sure this helps: fstab

then

timeo=n Set NFS timeout to n tenths of a second. (Default = 11)

Hi everyone

Sorry to ask this here but just want to try my luck here hehe maybe someone somehow knows about this document?
I'm currently into something and the last missing link is the document titled on the subject

I hope i didnt violate any rules, if anyone has a copy, can you share this with me? Or anyone knows where i can get this also appreciated

subject says all

i already got a PVO.. but this would be a nice add-on right?

bwahahahahaahah my God no matter how blue i am this really made my laugh!! hahaha thanks ham!!

hehehe the managers are really the funniest hehehe

morning recondas

ah my Octane spec is:
360MHz R12K
640MB RAM
XBow 1.3
PVO
Gigabit Ethernet
MXE

sorry im at office and haven't have posted the hinv here.. so i guess my Octane is ok right?

hmm would be a nice add then so if i get this, should i connect this to my PVO right? or should i remove my PVO first then connect this?

oh!! thats why PVO works well with the InPerson using the analogIn.. so if i add Cosmo, can i do compressed video through LAN?

ah yes i read this here a while ago, its ok i think ill stick with my MXE for a while, even got a spare MXI

hi evelyn! welcome its good that finally a girl in this forum since i register here

nice collection you have, time to put those icons on your signature hehe

PMed question

morning condas!

its ok, actually i aslo ask ham about this to confirm what i read from ian site, it seez this can work with PVO but im not sure if it means to be connected to the PVO? or will be connected with MXE too? coz i notice tmy PVO flex cable is different than the one used by Cosmo2..

hmm i think i get your point.. ok wil check m y PVO first if it has the header for the flex cable from Cosmo2.. thanks

hehe its ok, just a stupid question from me coz still planning about the video LAN... will see