The collected works of commodorejohn - Page 2

GL1zdA wrote: The one on the HCL is the 7248 43P. I tried running NT on a 7043, it didn't work: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sy ... TaewZRwEAJ

Aw, damn. Huh. Guess I'll have to find another use for it...unless someone would like to trade for a PPC system that does run NT?
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Yeah...AIX really isn't my area of interest, though (and if I do get the urge to play around with old RISC UNIX workstations, I've got a nice Sun Ultra II already...) I'll probably pass it on...
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
vishnu wrote:
Yah I've seen it, it's good! John Agar is legendary for the slight amount of work he did in this genre (mostly his 57 year Hollywood career was in straight/serious roles) but if you like him in this you also want to see "Zontar: The Thing from Venus," "Curse of the Swamp Creature," and "Women of the Prehistoric Planet." Happy viewing! :lol:

You forgot The Mole People - available in MST3K format!

Need to get around to seeing this one, though...

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
That's just glorious, man. Reading up on the VAXStation 100s, I'm intrigued - were they X terminals, or some proprietary DEC standard?

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Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, E-mu Proteus/1, Roland MT-32, Yamaha DX7, Yamaha V50, Casio CZ-1000, Casio HT-6000, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Got NT 4.0 and FX!32 installed on this over the last couple days - unfortunately, I'm gonna have to get some more RAM before I can put 2000 on there (though the installer does boot fine, so I'm optimistic about that.) Interesting so far, but I'm irritated that none of the drivers for my additional hardware seem to want to work...
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
I got this RS/6000 from the recycle center on a whim, but it turns out that it can only run AIX, which isn't my area of interest. So I might as well send it to a good home, rather than have it sit around taking up space...

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The unit. It's slightly dirty, but otherwise in excellent shape. That's a DDS3 drive on the bottom.

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Booting...

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Quick OpenFirmware test ;)

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The configuration information. 233MHz, one 64MB DIMM, 9.1GB hard disk. There's no expansion cards installed, so no video.

It has AIX 4.3 installed at the moment. I don't have any login information for it, or AIX install media. I won't format it, in order to leave the diagnostic software in place and allow a possible use of a rescue disk to reset the root password, but I do expect that the taker will remove the original owner's data in an ethical fashion.

Also available/included is another model 140, also 233MHz, with 512MB of RAM (as four 128MB DIMMs.) This is in similarly good shape, but is slightly a parts machine, as it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive or hard disks, and also there's a note scrawled on the inside of the case to the effect that memory slot F is bad. However, it does overall work perfectly well, so add in some disk drives and you're in business. This one has an Ethernet card (in addition to the built-in Ethernet) and a controller for some kind of ring-topology mass-storage network (can't remember the name.)

I'm interested in trading one or both for any of the following (in order of desireability):
  • Macintosh Quadra 840AV. Doesn't have to be fully working, as I have a board and RAM for one, but I do need a case, PSU, and some drives at the least!
  • Any intriguing PDP/VAX/Alpha hardware you may happen to have...
  • A PowerPC system that runs NT or OS/2.
Anybody interested?

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Aside from the Adaptec SCSI controller (which works fine anyway,) I've got a Diamond DM975 video card, a 3Com 3C905C-TXM 10/100 NIC, and a Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold. All of it's on the HCL I got from the Alpha 2k CD, so it should hopefully be no problem once I get 2000 installed, but NT 4.0...I dunno. I've got NT 4.0 drivers, but the installers error out, and installing the .inf files manually does jack. I presume that the "NT" driver packs for these simply didn't come with AXP drivers...

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Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, E-mu Proteus/1, Roland MT-32, Yamaha DX7, Yamaha V50, Casio CZ-1000, Casio HT-6000, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
I suppose I could upload directly to the forum, but uploading at a larger size wouldn't do much good because my camera isn't that great (1024 or 1280 would be about the highest meaningful resolution from it.) If there's something you'd like to see in more detail, I could certainly take some closeups, but nothing from my camera is going to be anybody's reference photo, I'm afraid...

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Hmm, I'll give that a shot.

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Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, E-mu Proteus/1, Roland MT-32, Yamaha DX7, Yamaha V50, Casio CZ-1000, Casio HT-6000, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Point taken, I guess, but ideally in a year or two these will long since have gone on to someone who wants them more than I do.

So again, anybody interested?

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Right up there in the first post, yeah. Is there something you'd like to see in more detail?

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Huh, that's weird. I double-checked by forcibly refreshing without caching, and they still showed fine...huh. I'll reupload them to the forum, then.

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Well, I nabbed a full 512MB of ECC PC100 from my local recycle center (along with some other goodies - a Sun Ultra 1 and a bunch of ECC EDO DRAM for that RS/6000, though I've yet to test either,) and 2000 is now up and running :) It recognized most everything off the bat, but still no luck with the video card, even though it's in the HCL on the CD...guess I'll have to dig up a replacement if I want more than 800x600x16...

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Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, E-mu Proteus/1, Roland MT-32, Yamaha DX7, Yamaha V50, Casio CZ-1000, Casio HT-6000, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Yes, the board is now sitting in a ridiculous "automotive"-themed gaming tower (it has blue-LED headlights and a grille covering the front USB ports! Fortunately you can turn them off.) It was a cheap ATX case/PSU combo at the recycle center, what can I say...

I haven't tried Tru64 on account of it needing a different firmware than NT uses (VMS needs it, too, unfortunately.) It should theoretically be easy to reflash it, as the NT BIOS includes a firmware-update facility right in the setup menu, but I don't really want it that badly...if I get bored of 2000, I may give it a shot, but we'll see.

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Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, E-mu Proteus/1, Roland MT-32, Yamaha DX7, Yamaha V50, Casio CZ-1000, Casio HT-6000, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Actually, there's plenty of farmer's markets in the US. My dad sells at 'em regularly.

Fact-checking...pretty cool, isn't it? You should try it some time.

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Okay, there's really no point arguing this with you. Suffice to say, you're wildly wrong, even if you refuse to look beyond your preconceived notions.

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Amiga 1200 (KS3.1/ClassicWB3.1, 4GB HD, 34MB RAM, 68030 @ 50MHz)
DEC VAXStation 4000/60 (OpenVMS 7.3, 9GB HD, 104MB RAM, KA46 @ 55MHz)
DEC MicroPDP-11/73 (RT-11, 32MB HD, 4MB RAM, KDJ11 @ 15MHz)
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
ClassicHasClass wrote: At least Gmail kindly includes a basic HTML version which on modern browsers is very quick.

Yep. I've been using that since about 2006, and it's saved me any amount of hair-pulling over the endlessly-revamped flashy bullshit they subject you to in the "modern" interface.

Wish to hell they hadn't killed off the mobile search page, that was the other blessed relief from this endless cycle of fixing what ain't broke...
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/D-50/MT-32/SC-55k, Ensoniq SQ-80/Mirage, Yamaha DX7/V-50/FB-01/SY22, Korg DW-8000/MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/M1/03-RW, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus/2, Rhodes Chroma Polaris
Heh, awesome. Soviet ripoffs are just kind of great (see also: the Polivoks.)
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Social media has been one giant con from the beginning, designed to get suckers to volunteer their information for purposes of targeted advertising, which itself is a con. The monetization of the Internet in the last ten years has looked a lot like the subprime loan scam of the same period - people making money by selling things of no value to each other. hamei's picture couldn't be more appropriate.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/D-50/MT-32/SC-55k, Ensoniq SQ-80/Mirage, Yamaha DX7/V-50/FB-01/SY22, Korg DW-8000/MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/M1/03-RW, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus/2, Rhodes Chroma Polaris
Still workin' fine for me.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Me? Wanted to get into game design, went to college for computer programming, spent six years not finishing a two-year degree. Got out into the workplace just in time for the immediate aftermath of the housing collapse, finally landed a full-time IT job in 2010; unfortunately, it turned out to be less programming and more sitting on my ass for most of the day editing records and running reports. Also discovered that the games industry is a vicious bastard meat-grinder of a place unless you're an independent developer, in which case it's simply a crapshoot whether you'll ever make any money at it. Currently looking for another job and seriously considering getting out of IT altogether.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/D-50/MT-32/SC-55k, Ensoniq SQ-80/Mirage, Yamaha DX7/V-50/FB-01/SY22, Korg DW-8000/MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/M1/03-RW, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus/2, Rhodes Chroma Polaris
Apple's visual design team has been progressively more lost up their own ass ever since they abandoned the Classic look. Feh.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
R-ten-K wrote: Old foggies don't like change and are scared by it... News at 11. :P

Pretentious snots think they're being hip by dismissing any dissenting opinion with "well, you're just afraid of change , granddad!" - film at 11.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
ianj wrote: There is no such thing as a "reference release" of Mac OS X. You all are crazy.

There's no divine mandate on the Charlton Heston Ben-Hur , either, but that doesn't make it not the definitive film version.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
R-ten-K wrote: If some of you consider the stylistic changes in 10.10 unacceptable, then inform Apple by either not buying their products or contact their organization and tell them directly. Bitching about it ad infinitum on a random internet forum with little to no traffic is a waste of time and effort IMO, but I assume some of you prefer to commiserate with perfect strangers about it. Horses for courses...

We are communicating it by not buying, but I'll never understand this notion that that's the only allowed form of disapproval and nobody should ever say bad things about something they don't like. Even if we completely discount the bad-word-of-mouth factor (probably a safe bet in OSX's case, but it certainly made a difference for Vista and Win8,) we can at least still commiserate over it. It makes us feel better - who cares if some other random stranger on the Internet thinks it's a waste of time?
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Cory5412 wrote: In terms of commiseration on the Internet -- it's not productive because what often happens is somebody (for example, commodorejohn) will express a sentiment, such as "Windows XP is the absolute pinnacle of all computing and there will never be anything better" and co-incidentally, demand that Microsoft re-add old functionality and in essence, make the current version of Windows look and work as closely to Windows 95 as possible. (Incidentally, people who grew up with Windows 3.1 seem to be quiet on the Windows 8 front, so maybe there's a really thin band of "young fogeys" that are moderately technical but feel an entitlement to their particular era of computing, and are therefore reasonably capable of being loud about it on the Internet.)

Man, I never said XP was the pinnacle of anything. XP was good in its day, but it still had its share of issues and with the massive numbers of patches that have had to be made to it over the years it's more than a little balky lately. What it is is a usably modern version of Windows that still has the sensible UI of the 95 series - yes, it does its own stupid things, but it lets you turn them off . If Microsoft were to bring that most basic, reasonable compromise to their technically-superior newer OSes, I'd switch over in a heartbeat. (Or, at the very least, when I got around to buying a new laptop.)

ianj wrote: If you have conservative tastes in computing environments and want to be able to use a given UI with a reasonable expectation that it won't change with version bumps, proprietary Unix and BSD are waiting with open arms.

Yeah, and that's great, if you like Unix . Honestly, I've investigated and continue to periodically investigate alternatives - I just had a play around with BSD a couple weeks back, I'm messing around with Solaris this very afternoon, and I've been keeping a close eye on Haiku for years. It's just that none of these seem to be "there" yet - I admire BSD for being a saner, less schizophrenic, and less political cousin to Linux, but unfortunately it still relies on OSS-community software for most of its library, and so it still suffers a lot of the same issues with inconsistent or just outright bad UI, commercial Unix also suffers from this to a lesser extent and it seems like half of the commercial Unices have been converted into Linux distros anyway, and Haiku is beautiful but still missing some important stuff and has very little software. I'd love to be able to move to something less dependent on the whims of one company with departments who need to look busy to justify their budget, but I just don't see a good alternative yet.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Well you find me a better VMS forum! ;P
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Cory5412 wrote: To use a terrible car analogy -- it sounds to me as though we've reached the point where users who have been around for a while believe that the system shouldn't be changed because they know it and they like the particular options it gives you. (See: commodorejohn) Even if those options are terrible and dangerous, not only to yourself and your own data, but to the interconnected networks at large.

Explain to me how maintaining the legacy UI option is terrible or dangerous, and then I'll start taking you seriously when you say this.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
You didn't answer my question. How is it "terrible or dangerous," as opposed to just "not what Microsoft wants?"

And yes, I've tried 8.1. I haven't had a choice, as my department switched over to it a few months ago. The interface is, as any intelligent person could have predicted, total crap. And it's still pretty crappy even with third-party hacks to make it less crap.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
ianj wrote: It would take developer time to maintain the special, just-for-commodorejohn legacy UI, continue porting it to future versions of Windows, and ensure that future applications are compatible with it, which means Microsoft would either need to pull developers from other projects just to work on it, or hire people for the task. How much are you willing to pay them for the privilege?

Well, first off, it wouldn't be just for me, as the fact that XP still has something like 25% market share nearly thirteen years after its inception and seven years after it was no longer the flagship and now after it's been officially and very publically EOL-ed attests. But let's say that's true, and there literally is nobody else but myself who wants this: all I'm doing is kvetching on a forum, for chrissakes. I'm not staging a commando raid on Redmond and taking Satya Nadella hostage until I get what I want. Ineffectual? Sure, if we discount the catharsis factor. But "terrible or dangerous" is just typical Cory5412-brand ludicrous hyperbole.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Five minutes for you, maybe. I've been using this shit eight hours a day for several months and I still find it pointlessly aggravating.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Cory5412 wrote: I guess I am now legitimately confused. At some point, did I write that it would be "terrible or dangerous" for Microsoft to provide a legacy interface, or did I write that running Windows XP beyond 2014-04-08 is terrible and dangerous?

Cory5412 wrote: I've been writing this post for a while, but where did I write terrible or dangerous? Was it in reference to building a classic UI for Windows 8 ("Windows 7.8" has been a suggested name for a desktop-only fork of Windows, though I think this is a bad idea from a product standpoint.)

Ahem:
Cory5412 wrote: To use a terrible car analogy -- it sounds to me as though we've reached the point where users who have been around for a while believe that the system shouldn't be changed because they know it and they like the particular options it gives you. (See: commodorejohn) Even if those options are terrible and dangerous, not only to yourself and your own data, but to the interconnected networks at large.

You were quite definitely conflating my preference for the 95-style UI and expressed wish that it be included on modern versions of Windows with some kind of hypothetical straw-man argument that nothing should ever change and especially not as regards network security. Because, you know, that was totally what I was talking about when discussing UI.

ianj wrote: As for your 25% figure, that's worldwide, isn't it? Most of that is likely accounted for by pirated copies of XP in use in developing countries and by businesses that dropped the ball on the upgrade process, not by people who are refusing to upgrade to Windows 7 because they don't like it.

Oh, I don't mean to imply that every single one of those millions of users have only the UI holding them back from rushing out to buy the latest version of Windows - but come on, man. Even if it's only one out of five of those, that's how many people?

ianj wrote: Yeah, sure, you've kvetching on a forum. One thing about forums is that they are full of other people who might not agree with you.

And I'm completely cool with that. It's other people who can't seem to come to terms with people expressing opinions they don't like on an Internet forum.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
ianj wrote: Nope, nobody has ever rapped about anything meaningful. Not even once.

Exactly.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
No, I knew you were being sarcastic. The question is, was I ?
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
I've got a decent little PC164LX board and assorted hardware running the Windows 2000 beta. It's a fun novelty, but I'm really not using it for much, and I've got a guy I'm looking at trading with who's wanting an Alpha setup in order to get into OpenVMS, so I'm wondering: is it possible to get this running VMS?

For starters, the BIOS. I stumbled across a disk image for re-flashing the firmware of this board on HP's old Compaq/DEC FTP mirror, and I also found an updated firmware for the Tru64/VMS version of the same board - if I replace the new firmware file on the disk with the other one, will it successfully re-flash it, or just brick the board?

And after that, is there a hardware-compatibility list for Alpha VMS? I'm not sure if anything besides the SCSI controller will work, since beyond that it's all random x86 PCI/ISA cards...
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Oh, really? That's snazzy.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
I got the board flashed over to SRM without a hitch, and the video card is compatible, but I'm having some trouble with the SCSI. The adapter and drives are all connected and working fine, as they showed up perfectly fine in AlphaBIOS, but SHOW DEVICE in SRM only reveals a "DVA0," when there should be two hard drives and a CD-ROM listed. The adapter is an Alpha-native Adaptec 3940w (dual-channel equivalent to the 2940w,) which I thought was supported - was I mistaken? If so, does anyone have an SRM/OpenVMS-compatible SCSI controller they'd be willing to trade for the 3940w?
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Wait, hamei is a Chinese communist Jew? That's pretty niche, man.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
TeamBlackFox wrote: Why the anti-webkit bias? I don't care for Safari myself, but I think its a little unfair to judge a rendering engine.

Because monocultures are inherently inbred and are exceptionally vulnerable to plague or unfavorable recessive traits. Diversity equals resilience!
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/MT-32/D-10, Oberheim Matrix-6, Yamaha DX7/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini, Ensoniq Mirage/SQ-80, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600, Hohner String Performer

"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup
TeamBlackFox wrote: I appreciate your post Cameron. Since I just became jobless a matter of a few hours ago, im calling off my search for now. One thing after a fucking nother eh?

Aw, that bites. Here's hoping you get something better lined up before too long.

ClassicHasClass wrote: plus a "425t" that I need to figure out if it even still works and what the hell is in it.

425t is one of the 040-based Domain/HP-UX workstations. I just picked one up at the recycle center not too long ago, and it worked fine. Still need to get a keyboard/mouse or PS/2 adapter, though.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/D-50/MT-32/SC-55k, Ensoniq SQ-80/Mirage, Yamaha DX7/V-50/FB-01/SY22, Korg DW-8000/MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/M1/03-RW, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus/2, Rhodes Chroma Polaris