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Well i will say that k3b is prolly the best burner software on Linux so if that's included in your port i'd be one happy guy

Now if only someone would port gnome2.4/6 port as well, i do translation of it into irish.
Epiphany is one of the first web browsers nearly fully translated into irish

http://frink.nuigalway.ie/~dubhthach/gaeilge/epiphany1.1.3/
Just got xft build of firefox up and running, most sites the fonts are fine, but here on the nekochan forums they are worse, must go playing with font settings (install my windows font pack might be an idea)

still great to have decent fonts on most websites :D
mmh i've just noticed if i press ctrl-t for a new tab that firefox (ff.tar.bz2) actually crashes
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moz_run_program[36]: 1701 Bus error
sure, will do, even if it is abit buggy, it's still great work, am just wondering about installing windows fonts, i know on linux with XFT i could just slot the ttf into a .fonts directory in my home dir. Does this still work on XFT on Irix? :)
whiter wrote: I have build Qt 3.3.1 n32 mips4 r12k with high optimization last night.
No dependencies. Built with Mips Pro 7.41.

So if anyone is interested ... :)

Yeah i'm interested, you got a link?
Just as well i got a dual R10k 250 :mrgreen: still am saving to get a dual 360 for my octane
cosmos wrote:
in the end it probably comes down to philosophical differences. i am not a communist, never was a communist, and never will be a communist. if i write a piece of quality code then i want to get paid for it and i do not people monkeying with my code. on the flip side i would feel ashamed and loathsome tossing out some half ass code under the banner of open source and shamelessly passing it off as a community project because i am too incompetent to complete it.


I don't think communists have a problem with making money, just they believe that the means of production should be in the hands of the state, which given what actually happened in the Soviet Union was a disater. After all if everything is owned by one entity (such as the state) then there can be no competition, result the consumer gets screwed.

I think squeen point is fairly valid, after all if you do a phd in university your thesis gets published and other people can use your work (as long as they acknowledge you in their work)
After all computer standards such as TCP/IP were developed in a open situation, as result you don't hear much talk of decnet anymore :wink: (or other propiertry network standards)
While looking through the gentoo "Other Architectures" forum, i came across a post which stated that some guy in Poland had got linux drivers working for Impact Series of GFX.
Did some digging about on linux-mips and found the following two screenshots of linux booting on a Octane
http://helios.et.put.poznan.pl/~sskowron/ip30/ip30-linux-con.jpg
http://helios.et.put.poznan.pl/~sskowron/ip30/ip30-linux.jpg

I better don my asbestos suit to protect myself from Cosmos :lol:
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Indeed, the issue with the kernel panic is they are having problems with the qlogic scsi controller. Or he was back with his 2.6.1 patch. If you look in his download directory he has a patch for 2.6.5.

some interesting reading in it. Like the fact that the Octane can technically support 4proceesors but as no quad module was released, the function wasn't used.

+ Actually, the HEART supports up to four processors on the SysAD bus. It is
+only because of unavailability of four-processor modules that the Octane can't
+take an advantage of this.


http://helios.et.put.poznan.pl/~sskowron/ip30/linux-2.6.5-ip30.patch.bz2
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kumba on gentoo forums wrote: He does in fact, and since my last post, he's got s kernel that will boot more, and if you have an NFS Root lying around, you can get a semi-usable userland. Things like the keyboard driver are still not implemented yet, same goes for the scsi subsystem (meaning if you try to do anything, even installing linux, it will be over NFS Root). All can be found here:

http://helios.et.put.poznan.pl/~sskowron/ip30/


--Kumba
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Intel-OUTSIDE wrote: this is good even if cosmos hates it, it means we can get some documentation on the hardware at last.

for example, who read this thread and got the evil idea of building a quad-cpu module or a sub-pcb to link a couple of twin modules together?
i did!


It seems that he tried to get an NDA with sgi regarding Octane documentation but they wouldn't have any of it (typical)

As for a quad module, sounds like a job for Chicago-joe to me. :lol:
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Diego wrote: Yes, the project is a cool thing, besides the Cosmos hating; more interesting even if anyone could add a work about the O2 platform too... :)


Linux boots on R5K O2's from what i remember, there's supposedly some issue with R10K's one though. I just had a look at the netbsd page and they say they support both R5k and R10k O2's
http://netbsd.org/Ports/sgimips/
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well that's interesting, took their bloody time getting back into gear that's for sure :roll:
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welcome to nekochan skylark, hopefully you'll find it a useful resource, not all of us IRIX people bite :D
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What sorta hardware you got in your development Octane, all i can tell from the net is it's a single proc box running MGRAS graphics.
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both my hands up!! :lol:
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How is your work on the port going anyways Stanislaw? where you able to get your hands on a dual cpu module?
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squeen wrote:
I vote this the most exciting thread!

Maybe I can write a simple Motif front-end for the final product....hmmm


There is a gui for mplayer but you need to specify it during compiling by using --enable-gui during ./configure . Then, to turn on GUI mode, you have to execute the gmplayer binary. It uses gtk+ 1.2 from what i recall.

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NT6 doesn't exist at the moment unless ye got access to the preview copies of Longhorn.
NT5 -> Windows2000
NT5.1 -> WindowsXP
NT5.2 -> Windows2003

I will say i quite like windows2003 at least it doesn't install nearly as many things by default compared to Windows2000 server.

As for comparing archs well i remember reading somewhere that a Mips R14000 @ 600mhz had half the SPEC scores of a P4 at 3GHz, given that the P4 has 5times the clock speed, the fact that the R14k got half the same score shows that clock speed isn't everything. It's a pity the R18000 got cancelled. I say one of those at 1GHz would have had the same spec performance if not better then the P4.
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Consider yourselves lucky feckin global warming is giving us worst weather, at the moment it's only about 18C out and the wind is blowing at about 35miles per hour (not too far off a gale) By irish calendar it's now autumn (since 1st August)
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Weather turned bad again today, the tail end of Hurrican charley is on it's way across the atlantic should make for some more interesting weather that's for sure!

That flooding in Cornwall looked amazing on the news lucky nobody was killed.
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Wouldn't it be more of an idea to create motif frontends for apps that have a frontend/backend spilt. That way you could have a Motif browser using Gecko but you wouldn't have to worry about changes made in firefox/mozilla/epiphany gui, same holds true for mplayer (there's the gmplayer frontend)
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http://openpa.net/ is an excellent site on HP PA-RISC machines based off the documentation they released for the PA-RISC linux port.
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Seems like they are also marketing some sorta emulation software (like FX32! on Alpha) that allows you to run your IRIX/mips binaries on Linux/Itanium. I had read something about that awhile ago on realworldtech.com

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Name: Arun Ramakrishnan ( mailto:[email protected] ) 10/11/04

Andi Kleen ( mailto:[email protected] ) on 10/11/04 wrote:
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>On the SGI page for the Prism they announced the MIPS->IA64 emulator Arun was talking about earlier:
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>http://www.sgi.com/products/visualization/prism/features.html
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>"QuickTransit dynamic translator Run existing IRIX applications*"
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>* Check with your local SGI sales representative for IRIX application compatability and pricing
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>I suspect it is more difficult to emulate Irix on Linux
>than MIPS on IA64.
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Andi,in case of IRIX it was a more of a problem of resources.
Here i think Intel may have some role in funding quicktransit and the quick transit guys had help from our kernel developers to make sure the performance of this product is really competitive.

This is just being used to bring apps from irix to linux mainly in the graphics side .
Some of those apps dont even have any source code left !!!
Some of others have been ported from irix to windows by ISVs but they dont believe in linux yet.
So this proves to be a good starting point for encouraging them to run it on Prizm first and then coax them to port it over to Linux.

Of course,Quicktransit cant help apps which use the Irix real time features,xfs GRIO features or IR(Infinite Reality) specific hardware hacks :-)

Byt hey something is better than nothing :-)

And the first few weeks of running Maya on Prizm under quick transit,it was already faster than a IR based system.
Now then what would happen if this app was running natively on IA64 Linux is what excites us.

Cheers,
Arun

Cheers,
Arun

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From what i hear the HP itanium compilers are the best however they are only available on HP-UX and OpenVMS (well when the VMS port is finished) as for Itanium performance running x86 code. Well most of the slowness was due to the fact that the chip had dedicated area to x86 however very little attention was put into improving it. Last i heard it gave the same performance as a low Pentium II (on Itanium 2) it's been ditched from future versions and been replaced with a software approach, akin to FX32! that ran on Alpha. Intel actually got that and other DEC IP (eg. Alpha) after the Compaq and HP merger.

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jan-jaap wrote:
clavileno wrote: I just missed a 4xR10K 195 Onyx on eBay UK last week for 500.00 (ukp)


I saw that one. I would have bought it if I had the space for it. But all my stuff is in the attic, and the largest I can fit through the staircase is a deskside... For my next house I want something with a basement under the whole house, and a loading dock to unload a truck :D :D


A freight elevator would help as well :wink: :D
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What's everyones favourite poison? in my cases it's definetly Guinness followed by say some sorta irish whiskey (Powers to be preferred) :mrgreen:
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nekonoko wrote: I rarely drink except socially around holidays, but even then I stick with beer - Guinness being my favorite.


Seems Guinness is fairly popular here on nekochan(well i had 5pints of it lastnight myself :) ) , pity the Guinness ye get in america is so bad though. One way to spot an irish person abroad - they are always complaining about the quality of the Guinness :lol:

Brombear - Jameson 1780 (12year old) is one of my favourites but no Jameson whiskey is actually a single malt (very few irish whiskeys are, we tend to use alot of unmalted barley - "old pot still" whiskey)
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Well wine consists of two parts both a win32 abi and api, now ye install wine on any other x86 os ye be able to run win32 apps (well in theory) now porting wine to IRIX would give you a win32 api (winelib) so if you had the source code to a windows app ye could fairly easily port it to IRIX (think of the POSIX api in Windows NT/2000/XP/2003)
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thegoldbug wrote: Alas, if I take the job I will not be able to bring over my big Iron or my gold dredges.


Well you could ship them by sea they take awhile to get over no doubt. I hear it isn't too expensive say to get cars shipped over. Was at the cinema the other day and i saw this big Chrysler 4x4 (SUV) that had just been imported from the States (car dealership was in Missouri are all places) definetly was one of the biggest vehicles in the carpark, wonder how the owner likes the price of petrol in ireland :lol:
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skylark wrote: Heh, yes! I'll be working on SMP shortly. I must say that Octanes are the most beautifully engineered machines I have ever seen. SGI, they were good :)

And I learnt somewhat more about IRIX internals, too. Writing a debugger that can trace Xsgi while it's running was... interesting :)


Stan, that's interesting to hear, i know i've had a look at your site recently and you have a nice overview of the work done so far. It would be good to hear an overview from you though as there hasn't been much in way of email traffic regarding your port on linux-mips (from searching the achive anyways) What sort of insight has the xsgi debugger given you into mgras gfx?

http://helios.et.put.poznan.pl/~sskowron/ip30/
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Johnny Walker black label and red label are good, then again i was the only one at the xmas party drinking it so i would say that, i really should stop posting on nekcohan when under the influence :twisted:
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Intel-OUTSIDE wrote:
i am shocked, a swede who didnt mention ABSOLUT VODKA!
how can you not mention the "nordic honey" that is Absolut?


Maybe he's on a diet :lol: :P
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One of the regular posters on Realworldtech is an sgi employer, he mentioned the "emulation" software for running IRIX/Mips binaries on Linux/Itanium, supposedly software compiled for IRIX/Mips will actually run faster on Linux/Itanium in "emulated mode". Then again who knows what software they were testing. It seems to be equivalent to FX32! that use to allow you run i386 win32 apps on alpha windowsNT.

As for the workstation, i find it interesting that they are going with twin AGP 8x, surely dual PCI-E 16x would have been better (well from a SLI point of view)
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zizban wrote: So this beast will run Linux, I assume? Maybe cheap Fuels will appear on ebay now. :D


Who cares about Fuels when ye be able to get Tezros ;)
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TeeTylerToe wrote: you can buy the parts for that system for about $3,000 unless they somehow make it propriatary.


the itanium processors alone cost 3,000 as far as i know SGI use their own chipset but other then that it's all basically off the shelf hardware. As Hamei said there hasn't been any innovation since 1996. From what i read XIO looks very similar to Hypertransport other then fact that it isn't DDR and only runs at 400mhz, it wouldn't have taken much in way of effort to either make it "DDR" or increase the clock rate to give alot better bandwidth.
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themacosxflies wrote:
Tezro ... YUM YUM



I was checking the sgi site recently ye can get "remarketed" tezro with 4 x 700mhz R16k/1gb ram/73gb disk for 13,753 euro. (weak dollar is always good) what's giving me an itch is my bank is bending over backwards trying to give me a loan of 12k euro over 5years. I can't say i ain't tempted but i trust banks about as far as i can throw them, still it would make a nice 24th birthday present for myself in december! :lol:
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unixmuseum wrote:

Only dual CPU capable? WHY????


Given the heat output of Itaniums that shouldn't be too surprising ;) no doubt it was also cheaper for them to develop as they didn't have to do too much in way of chipset design. Still the next version of Itanium is dual core and is pin compatible with those, so within 9months or so ye be able to upgrade your 2CPU Prism workstation 4CPU (2 x dual core)

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http://www.transitive.com/products.htm ]

The software that will supposedly allow MIPS/IRIX binaries run on IA64/Linux

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