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PymbleSoftware
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Wrote the following at Feb. 18, 2010, 9:59 p.m...

I guess some of you know about it..

But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC...

ftp://tao:[email protected]/Pe ... 2.0.17.zip

Free for personal/hobbyist use..

I don't think that I've seen it mentioned here before.

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 6:01 a.m...

PymbleSoftware wrote:

But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC ...

oh the ultimate in abominations...

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 9:06 a.m...

skywriter wrote:

PymbleSoftware wrote:

But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC ...

oh the ultimate in abominations...

Maybe we could get them to port it to Linux ?

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 9:08 a.m...

hamei wrote:

skywriter wrote:

PymbleSoftware wrote:

But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC ...

oh the ultimate in abominations...

Maybe we could get them to port it to Linux ?

ok THAT was the ultimate in abominations :(

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 3:53 p.m...

Well.... If I could find a drive sled for my DS-20e...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16722841

.... I wouldn't be as interested.. There are a limited number of Alphas in the world..
One day emulation will be the only way once everything wears out.. :cry:

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foetz
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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 5:33 p.m...

that's nice. gonna give it a try especially because i've never been able to get vms on my real alpha

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 5:58 p.m...

foetz wrote:

that's nice. gonna give it a try especially because i've never been able to get vms on my real alpha :D

we vax fans also consider vms on alpha as an abomination.

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 6:28 p.m...

skywriter wrote:

foetz wrote:

that's nice. gonna give it a try especially because i've never been able to get vms on my real alpha

we vax fans also consider vms on alpha as an abomination.

hehe, yeah, never liked it really but i'm still curious. got an old oracle book with quite a lot of vms examples and it's one of a few operating systems i never tried.

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 8:13 p.m...

Does Windows NT run on it? Is that the worst?

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foetz
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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 8:23 p.m...

an alpha emu for windows to run windows?
anyway i'm sure it's the worst

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 8:30 p.m...

foetz wrote:

an alpha emu for windows to run windows?
anyway i'm sure it's the worst

no, worse than that would be running intel binaries under emulation (and profile/rewrite as Alpha machine code on the fly) on an emulated Alpha.

In the 1990s I did Visual C++ on Alpha and that was painful, running Intel binaries on the Alpha was worse because it would profile your code and rewrite sections of it as Alpha machine code, so your programs were supposed to get faster the more you ran them... but it seemed horribly slow... a pentium 90 was kicking the 200 or 300 MHz Alpha's butt under WindowsNT

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Wrote the following at Feb. 19, 2010, 9:11 p.m...

PymbleSoftware wrote:

[...running Intel binaries on the Alpha was worse because it would profile your code and rewrite sections of it as Alpha machine code, so your programs were supposed to get faster the more you ran them...

FX!32

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hamei wrote:

PymbleSoftware wrote:

[...running Intel binaries on the Alpha was worse because it would profile your code and rewrite sections of it as Alpha machine code, so your programs were supposed to get faster the more you ran them...

FX!32

Yep thats the one.

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Wrote the following at Feb. 20, 2010, 12:21 a.m...

hamei wrote:

FX!32

oh yes, used that once, too :twisted:

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Wrote the following at Feb. 20, 2010, 1:44 a.m...

At least NT on alpha had some native software, unlike on PPC or MIPS.

Too bad native software for AlphaNT is pretty hard to find nowdays. I remember having versions of Word and Excel, there was also a very fast port of Seamonkey and also a port of Quake2. I should still have most of the stuff I had backed up to a DLT-tape somewhere.

NT on alpha is the fastest version of Windows I have used, and FX32! was actually not that bad.

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Wrote the following at Feb. 20, 2010, 4:13 a.m...

theinonen wrote:

and also a port of Quake2.

I got 13.7 FPS @ 640x480 with the OpenGL version on my 164LX with 533 Alpha and Permedia 2

. And I enjoyed it!

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Wrote the following at Feb. 23, 2010, 3:26 a.m...

I am surprised noone mentioned ES40 ( http://www.es40.org/ ) yet.

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Wrote the following at Feb. 25, 2010, 5:03 a.m...

miod wrote:

I am surprised noone mentioned ES40 ( http://www.es40.org/ ) yet.

Interesting error from first attempt to compile it..

Code:

  Making all in src
  
  gmake[1]: Entering directory `/nas/irix/es40/src'
  
  cd .. && /bin/sh /nas/irix/es40/missing --run autoheader
  
  aclocal.m4:14: error: this file was generated for autoconf 2.61.
  
  You have another version of autoconf.  If you want to use that,
  
  you should regenerate the build system entirely.
  
  aclocal.m4:14: the top level
  
  autom4te: /usr/nekoware/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 63
  
  autoheader: '/usr/nekoware/bin/autom4te' failed with exit status: 63
  
  WARNING: `autoheader' is probably too old.  You should only need it if
  
  you modified `acconfig.h' or `configure.ac'.  You might want
  
  to install the `Autoconf' and `GNU m4' packages.  Grab them
  
  from any GNU archive site.
  
  Cannot create [src/config.h].in: No such file or directory
  
  rm -f stamp-h1
  
  touch config.h.in
  
  cd .. && /bin/sh ./config.status src/config.h
  
  config.status: creating src/config.h
  
  config.status: src/config.h is unchanged
  
  gmake  all-am
  
  gmake[2]: Entering directory `/nas/irix/es40/src'
  
  source='AliM1543C.cpp' object='AliM1543C.o' libtool=no \
  
  DEPDIR=.deps depmode=none /bin/sh ../depcomp \
  
  CC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.   -I/usr/nekoware/include -I/usr/nekoware/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/nekoware/lib/glib/include  -O3 -mips4 -n32 -Zf,_245 -INLINE -woff 1110,1171,1201,1355,3201 -DIRIX64  -DHAVE_X11 -c -o AliM1543C.o AliM1543C.cpp
  
  cc-1035 CC: WARNING File = /usr/include/stdint.h, Line = 5
  
  #error directive:  This header file is to be used only for c99 mode
  
  compilations
  
  #error This header file is to be used only for c99 mode compilations
  
  ^
  
  cc-1005 CC: ERROR File = StdAfx.h, Line = 311
  
  The source file "Poco/Thread.h" is unavailable.
  
  #include <Poco/Thread.h>
  
  ^
  
  1 catastrophic error detected in the compilation of "AliM1543C.cpp".
  
  Compilation terminated.
  
  gmake[2]: *** [AliM1543C.o] Error 2
  
  gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/nas/irix/es40/src'
  
  gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 2
  
  gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/nas/irix/es40/src'
  
  gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
  
  mickey:/nas/irix/es40>

Looks like C programming inside C++ code does not sit well with MIPS Pro...?

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ramq
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Wrote the following at Feb. 25, 2010, 5:28 a.m...

The ES40 emulator is quite funky, and it really works too.
I'd love an IRIX-port thought... =)

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Wrote the following at Feb. 25, 2010, 11:17 a.m...

PymbleSoftware wrote:

Code:

   cc-1035 CC: WARNING File = /usr/include/stdint.h, Line = 5
   
   #error directive:  This header file is to be used only for c99 mode
   
   compilations
   
   #error This header file is to be used only for c99 mode compilations
   
   ^

Try replacing '#include <stdint.h>' with '#include <inttypes.h>'.

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