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What exactly have you tried?

Can you type out the command line you used and what response you got?

I have v1.34 and 1.37 of ImageJ on my Octane (IRIX 6.5.27 but shouldn't matter) and it runs fine.

I have Java in my $PATH so, to get it to run, I just cd to the ImageJ directory (where ij.jar is) and:



That should work just fine.

Note: I am assuming that you have Java 1.4.1_02 or 1.4.1_06 installed on your system.

More importantly, without IDL and IDF you will not be able to compile anything on your Octane.

BASIC really isn't useful for anything.
It might be better teaching him another interpreted language that has real-world use, like Perl, Python or Ruby.
All of these are available on IRIX. In fact, IRIX ships with Perl (old version, but there anyway).

Nik.

DDT wrote:

maxsleg wrote: BASIC really isn't useful for anything.

Being one of the '80 generation, you bet right.
Perl is just a way to learn how NOT to program.
BASIC is plain, simple and fun. Children want to see/hear things asap and a BASIC with gfx/audio commands is strongly recommended.
Forget OOP: not for children.
And I would rather choose COBOL/FORTRAN than Perl/Python/Ruby as the first language to learn.

My personal suggestion:
Try with BASIC (with gfx/sound), then if your son is willing to know more, go directly to Assembly to check for real passion.
Great coders perfectly know (but seldom use) Assembly language.

Since I made the statement about BASIC, I will stand by it.

I never said that it wasn't fun and in fact, I started off using BASIC back in the 80's too.
Old 8/16 bit computers were made with BASIC and assembly in mind and therefore had all sorts of extensions that allowed you to access the hardware directly.
At that point though (and there are exceptions, e.g. BBC BASIC) things quickly became a lot harder and a lot less fun.
Standard BASIC however doesn't have these extensions.
Suggesting that assembler should be used after BASIC was funny though. We are no longer in the 80's...
Likewise on COBOL and FORTRAN front...
Modern general-purpose scripting languages however do allow you to get 'real' things done quickly and therefore results can be demonstrated quickly.

From what the original poster said, his son isn't all that interested, so showing that you can get results quickly is important.

Pascal was suggested as a good language to learn programming concepts in - I would definitely agree.

Nik.

My vote goes to Nedit.
Has smart indentation for C (may need to switch it on) as well as syntax highlighting for C, Fortran and Perl.
Not sure about Basic but you could add another custom syntax definition file (or possibly download it from Nedit site).

Works great on IRIX.

Has shortcuts but he can start by using the mouse and 'graduate' to shortcuts over time.

Nik.

I believe that jan-jaap mentioned at some point that he archived off the Developer Toolbox site before it went down. You might want to have a chat with him.

recondas wrote: For those of you out of date like I am, it looks like 0.96 is still the latest version.
http://www.blackboxcentral.com/sgimonkey/downloads.html

That version hasn't been updated in years.
Once he won SGI's coding contest he never bothered to update the player any further.

josehill wrote:

SAQ wrote: What is the problem with Apple software developers? Many Windows apps can still run on 2000, I'd say most Sun apps run back to Solaris 8, AIX is usually back to 5.3 or 5.1 - but Macintosh apps are almost invariably compiled for N-1 (or even current only), and Apple updates ~every 2 years.

Often it's just a matter of "official" support rather than whether or not the programs will actually work, but it is definitely an issue.

It isn't just "official" support. In order to compile for 10.3.9 (minimum) on later (Tiger, Leopard) systems, the developers have to get hold of specific version of gcc and certain other libraries from Apple. This is free, but not everyone wants to do that (i.e. have 2 separate dev. environments).
Also, various APIs have changed between 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. A lot of software on OS X is similar (although not as bad) to Linux software in supporting more recent libraries.
Mac users upgrade their OS willingly more frequently than Windows users, so the number of customers on older OS decreases relatively rapidly.

cybercow wrote: this is a very nice piece of hw ... may i note ... the whole thing in constructional elements is VERY alike to the indigo2`s
note the vertical riser card (is this EISA?) and it have exactly 4 slots, the down-copper line with audio conns, the psu position, the position of drive sleeds ...
maybe sgi then just taken the design origins from it ?

good luck with the sale! ///

The slots are Zorro3 (Amiga proprietary bus) and ISA on the other end (for a few ISA cards that there were drivers for).
Actually Amiga 2000 and Amiga 4000 were the worst looking Amigas as Commodore used the skins of their current at the time PC line (kinda like what SGI did with Fuel).
For cool-looking Amigas you'd need to look at Amiga 1000 and Amiga 3000 (my favourite design - a bit like NEXT workstation except in beige).

Nik.

Ah, I love it when people with no real knowledge of the subject (e.g. diseases of humans / animals, etc.) find something on the Web and start quoting it to justify whatever their current beliefs may be.

e.g. Toxoplasmosis. Yes, a lot of people have it and many other parasites. Parasites are successful precisely because they rarely cause their host real problems (provided they are reasonably healthy).
Parasites do not come just in meat.

Another couple of scenarios for contracting Toxoplasmosis:

1. You Grow your own vegetables because it is healthier
2. A cat infected with Toxoplasmosis goes bye and takes a crap
3. You don't wash your vegetables too much because hey, they're organic
4. You eat the vegetables -> hello, you're infected

1. You have a cat
2. One day it contracts Toxoplasmosis (it ate something that had it)
3. You clean its litter tray but forget to properly wash your hands.
4. You grab a snack -> hello you're infected

Conclusion. To be safe from this particular disease:
1. Wash your vegetables in bleach
2. Shoot cats on site.
3. Don't eat undercooked meat

The first scenario I mention is of course fairly far fetched. The second one actually isn't although by far the most common way to get this particular parasite infection is from undercooked meat.
After all I don't want anyone going out there to shoot cats. I make some of my living by treating animals (I have a Veterinary degree).
I have also seen first hand how animals are slaughtered for food. It isn't pretty, but these days there are laws that in most cases ensure that it is done quickly.
Vegetarianism and even more so veganism by choice seems to be a lot more prevalent in affluent heavily urbanised societies where people find it hard to reconcile the food they buy in supermarkets (all wrapped nicely) with the reality of how it got there. That leads to the guilt when they think that the cute pig/chicken/cow they usually see only on TV is one day likely to end up as a slab of meat...

Anyway, enough of a rant for one day

I have for sale a YAMAHA CRW4416SX external SCSI2 CD-ROM/RW drive.
4x Write, 4x RW, 16x Read.
Works great with SGIs like Indigo2, Octane - in fact I have used it with both.
Already set up to allow you to boot from it to install IRIX if required.

Selling it since I sold my Octane and no longer need it. My Fuel has an internal DVD-ROM drive.

Location: UK (London)

Price: £10 + postage. You can also pick up if you wish.

More info about it from here: http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/computer/pdf/crw4416sx_e.pdf

Nik.

I indeed worked on a port of DSS a few years back. I haven't unfortunately had time to keep it going especially since while some of my patches were accepted, others (to make it play nice with MipsPro) weren't which meant that I would have to re-integrate these every time.
Work, life, etc. got in the way.

As neko mentioned, there is still an old version in my contrib folder.

Nik.

Correct. I haven't been around much - work, new kid, life in general.
I was maintaining it for IRIX but after failing to get a stable build of v6 and the Realsoft guys being unable to help since they have no SGIs left I more or less gave up.
OpenGL code got changed in v6 and v7 and the changes cause crashes on IRIX. It works on Linux, Windows and Mac OS for them so they weren't sure what got broken. In V4 & v5 OpenGL was rock solid on IRIX, but not so stable on Windows/Linux (card driver issues), so they changed it.
Never could figure out what exactly (even with the use of Purify) was causing the crash - ok, memory getting stomped but unknown as to why.
It is possible that it only crashes on VPro systems (I only have 1 SGI - a Fuel with a V12), but since anyone who would actually want to use this product (and therefore buy it) seriously on an SGI would have at least a V6, this probably doesn't matter.
I also don't have the latest MipsPro compiler (I have 7.4.1) - not sure if that is an issue though. A better debugger would be helpful, but the code is very hard to follow not to mention multi-threaded.

Even though I have been quiet from my end, Realsoft haven't tried too hard to reach me either. I guess that this is because they can count the number of their IRIX customers on the fingers of one hand.

Nik.

I've had an SGI Fuel lying around unused for a couple of years now (work, life interfering with hobbies) and when I tried to power it up the other day found out that it won't. I suspect that the PSU is dead, so looking for a replacement it someone has one for sale - I know they're getting very hard to find these days.

It'll be great if I can find one to get back to using my SGI, but if I can't find one at a reasonable price, I'll probably be selling the box off in parts.

The PSU in mine is NMB Technologies 430W SGI PN 060-0140-004 if that makes a difference.

Nik