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Old Alias and Wavefront apps screenshots... - Page 3

hazelden wrote: If you are into self-reporting, the report button is to the left of the quote button on every nekochan message.


Ha ha, call me observant... :lol:
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Huh, my nekochan looks different. (there are different skins available, but IIRC mine is the default...)

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guardian452,

It looks like my nekochan "User Control Panel" board style was set to use the prosilver style and your screenshot uses the subsliver2 style. The funny thing is I don't remember changing any of those settings on my account.

Cheers,
Andrew

P.S. I would love to see some screenshots of Alias Studio Paint working with NURBS patch surfaces.
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hehe you can indeed report your own posts :P
as for the studiopaint pics, that should be possible :)
r-a-c.de
hazelden wrote: I would love to see some screenshots of Alias Studio Paint working with NURBS patch surfaces.

unfortunately there were a bunch of issues with the vpro so in studiopaint the patch looked black. anyway it did work nevertheless. pics attached.
i used 2 simple surfaces made of 3 skinned curves. surfaces are uniform at 3 deg.
r-a-c.de
Hi Foetz.

Thanks for the StudioPaint screenshots!

I have only used Studio Tools briefly so I'm interested in hearing the texture painting workflow in StudioPaint. Did Alias StudioPaint use a single surface material with a shading switch node to seamlessly paint a texture across multiple NURBS patches?

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pretty much yes. the alias shaders have an option "per object images" which is used by the sp export. there might be other ways but i'm not an sp guru so ... :P
if you wanna clearly handle patches individually you could of course transfer and paint them one by one.

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here we have the motion sampler in version 3

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you might wanna check this out: http://vimeo.com/8431194

Alias Siggraph Stagereel from 1994 presenting v6

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time for another journey to the pioneer days of cgi :D


with greets from my 2.1GB scsi1 disk here comes the wavefront advanced visualizer (tav) in version 3.0.1. it's from 1992 and was shipped with a set of 3 ringbook manuals. it's completely coff so the max. irix version it runs on is 5.3 (6.0 with the coff trick might work as well).

tav consists of several independent programs which can however be linked to some extend so that updates made in one of them shows up in the others instantly. the "central" so to say was the director. there one could create and manage global projects and start the individual programs. all programs started from within the director were linked so as soon as something was saved in one of them the others were updated, too. the programs included were:
- model
- preview
- image
- display
- property
- composer
- advanced paint

model should be quite obvious :P yes, you guessed it, this is the very origin of the famous obj file format which still is the most compatible and supported geometry format in history. model doesn't have a project file but just saves its geometry as obj just like lightwave for example. it's also used for materials and texture placement.
in model the whole workflow is built around groups. there is no object level but you only have either point or element (polygon) groups. all operations apply to the currently active group. the feature set was quite impressive for its time and the selection of features is well thought through meaning it pretty much has exactly what you need. in addition it has a quick preview render feature with region support, quad or single 3d viewports and very well designed hidden line and shading modes. from poly to nurbs, all curve and geometry types are supported.

preview is a sort of misleading name because it's actually the scene setup and animation program. once you're done in model head over to preview and load your obj files. unlike model preview is not based on groups but objects (once more like lightwave). for that there is a central objects list which takes a bit to get comfy with at first. and again as prisms preview does everything else via channels which need to be saved before switching the tool otherwise the changes are not kept. to make that easier there's an auto save function for channels.
unlike most of the other tav programs preview has its own project file which is what you load into the renderer (image) once you're ready for a first try.

image which also might make you rather think of an imageviwer is the actual renderer. just load the preview project file and set the options. it's an enhanced scanline renderer with raytracing and a few other extras. it's very fast and the results are pretty smooth looking.

display is actually what one would think: display images. not much to tell here. select the pic, set the options and push the button :D

property is the material, light, atmosphere and background editor. it produces not only the well known mtl files but also extra files for all 4 sections. regarding the options and features i'd say it standard. nothing great but not much missing either. and of course, as the other programs it's damn fast. no idea why i didn't make a pic of that but i'll add one later.

composer and advanced paint are not original parts of tav but have been added later. advanced paint outlived tav and was later supplied with a number of Alias|Wavefront apps called "viz paint". that one was different from the other tav programs and sort of unique to handle. no standards in operations as you might know them from other programs so it took a bit to get into it.
composer is not really a shared program like the others but only offers a rendering option for image (and later TDI explore (which wavefront bought)). however despite the lack of integration it's a great compositing program which looked already like everything looked like later after sgi bought and merged wavefront technologies and alias research. iirc it was the last survivor of all wavefront heritage and has even been renamed to "maya composer" once maya was out. late versions had the OptiFX stuff from alias included so it's a good way to get the neat glows, lights and lens flares from alias without having to render them out in poweranimator or maya.

just like prisms tav programs could be run completely in command mode. that was either possible from within the graphical program or in pure terminal mode. for every button there's also a command and the user is free to use whatever he prefers. that also goes for entering values which is done in a quite neat way. for example when you scale or translate something you can either use the mouse or just type ahead and press enter no matter where your cursor is. that gives a very free and creative feeling.
tav was quite picky when it came to folders. some loading procedures did not allow changing the dir or use a full path so you had to start the programs from within your project root to be on the safe side. it also supported a high number of env. variables. probably more than most other programs i used so a properly set up shell was mandatory.
one of the strong points of tav was and still is the ui. i've never seen a more elegant and faster one. it's not only extremely fast but also very smooth and has that noble style. that also includes the interactive behavior of the menus and whatever else is involved. back when it was current and thinking of the prices those things did cost including the sgi machine; somebody starting it after spending so many bucks did really feel like they had something very posh.


i guess that should do it for now. hope you liked the little blast from the past :)
will see what else i got and post a little more about the other stuff as well ...


EDIT: property pic added. it's not from version 3.0.1 but it's almost the same so should be okay to get an impression.
Wow! :shock:

I had Autocad 12 for DOS back around that time, I didn't even know this existed...

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vishnu wrote:
Wow! :shock:

I had Autocad 12 for DOS back around that time, I didn't even know this existed...

yeah things from before everybody had internet are not so well known. it was axed around 1996 or so in favor of the alias product line which a number of users regretted. as mentioned composer and viz paint lived on for a little longer under the Alias|Wavefront label.

it's been asked for in the first post of this thread btw but the OP wasn't here for 3 years unfortunately hehe
vishnu wrote:
Wow! :shock:

I had Autocad 12 for DOS back around that time, I didn't even know this existed...

Hey, AutoCAD 12 (and 13) even existed for IRIX :)

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jan-jaap wrote:
Hey, AutoCAD 12 (and 13) even existed for IRIX :)

I thought Autocad was a pain in the ass until we switched to Pro/E, then I found out what a pain in the ass really is... :x

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I used to think autocad was a pain in the ass, until I switched to Dassault DraftSite. Now I KNOW autocad is a pain in the ass :D

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vishnu wrote:
I thought Autocad was a pain in the ass until we switched to Pro/E, then I found out what a pain in the ass really is...

hey now hey now hey now ! The Pro she be okay le ! They made the SGI Toaster with it, can't be all bad !

Wildfire is much more Windows-y and (hate to admit it) easier to use. Not so many Done. Done done done. Done done. Done. sequences :)

I actually had a Cadkey 6 for Solaris, but no Solaris to run it on. Wish I had it today :(

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guardian452 wrote:
I used to think autocad was a pain in the ass, until I switched to Dassault DraftSite. Now I KNOW autocad is a pain in the ass :D


I have not tested that myself, but pretty much looks like another AutoCAD clone.

First AutoCAD version I tried was AutoCAD R13 and it really was painful to work with. Later in school there was AutoCAD 2000 and it really was much nicer to use, the snap facility particularly. Luckily we did most of the work with CADS, so did not have to use AutoCAD that much.
The easiest CAD I've ever used is TurboCAD, but it's Windows and Mac only. Apparently it doesn't work with Wine on Linux...

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before this turns into a "which cad do you like best" thread, how about posting a few pics and some info about an old irix cad program?