SGI: Discussion

I've searched through a half dozen pages looking for what Octane 2's sold for. Anyone know? I'd love to know both msrp and street but would take either.

Just curious. Thanks.

depends.. £10 to £2k

Sorry I thought you meant what they went for now.

'Street' is not a simple calculation: they were only available through authorized resellers, and the amount of discount you got depended a lot on who you were and which system you ordered.

in 2005, an SGI reseller would have listed these prices for refurbished Octane2s:

$10,995 WT5-2P600V12-536 - Ref SGI Octane2 V12, R14K 2x600MHz, 512MB, 36GB
$3,495 WT5-1P400V12-536 - Ref SGI Octane2 V12, R12K 400MHz, 512MB, 36GB
$1,995 WT5-1P360V6-518 - Ref SGI Octane2 V6, R12K 360MHz, 512MB, 18GB
$1,295 WT5-1P300SE18 - Ref SGI Octane SE, R12K 300MHz, 512MB, 18GB
$400 WT5-BASE-004 - Ref SGI Octane2 Base System

But the system was discontinued at the end of 2004, so these were stock-clearing prices.

robespierre wrote: 'Street' is not a simple calculation: they were only available through authorized resellers, and the amount of discount you got depended a lot on who you were and which system you ordered.

in 2005, an SGI reseller would have listed these prices for refurbished Octane2s:

$10,995 WT5-2P600V12-536 - Ref SGI Octane2 V12, R14K 2x600MHz, 512MB, 36GB
$3,495 WT5-1P400V12-536 - Ref SGI Octane2 V12, R12K 400MHz, 512MB, 36GB
$1,995 WT5-1P360V6-518 - Ref SGI Octane2 V6, R12K 360MHz, 512MB, 18GB
$1,295 WT5-1P300SE18 - Ref SGI Octane SE, R12K 300MHz, 512MB, 18GB
$400 WT5-BASE-004 - Ref SGI Octane2 Base System

But the system was discontinued at the end of 2004, so these were stock-clearing prices.

Thanks, I'm just looking for an idea of what an Octane 2 would of cost me when it first came out and was new. I have a printing company and have a good idea of pricing between consumer and commercial, authorized retailers and online seller... knowing the average Octane user wasn't an average computer user, by street I mean what I would of paid to have one in my design department. Let's not over complicate things. Heck, and msrp would be fine.

According to my sources, Octane2 prices in late 2001 ranged between the following:

Octane2, V6, 1x360MHz, 256MB RAM, 9GB 10K HDD, 21" monitor for $17,495 MSRP.
Octane2, V12, 2x400MHz, 512MB RAM, 18GB 10K HDD, 21" monitor, DMedia options for $71,445 MSRP.

Without DMedia, the price of the last one dropped by about $30,000!

jpstewart wrote: Octane2, V12, 2x400MHz, 512MB RAM, 18GB 10K HDD, 21" monitor, DMedia options for $71,445 MSRP.

512MB.. !!

jpstewart wrote: According to my sources, Octane2 prices in late 2001 ranged between the following:

Octane2, V6, 1x360MHz, 256MB RAM, 9GB 10K HDD, 21" monitor for $17,495 MSRP.
Octane2, V12, 2x400MHz, 512MB RAM, 18GB 10K HDD, 21" monitor, DMedia options for $71,445 MSRP.

Without DMedia, the price of the last one dropped by about $30,000!

Wow, 40 grand! Thanks for the info!

Vladio wrote: Wow, 40 grand! Thanks for the info!

If you actually paid that, people would walk up to you on the street and give you a great big lick, cuz you had "SUCKER !!" printed in ten-inch letters on your forehead.

There's a full price list from 2006 posted (as a pdf) here: http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16728414

No Octane systems in the list because Octanes were discontinued after 2004, but there are prices for the Octane accessories that they were still offering. Some of those numbers are a bit out there...

vishnu wrote: There's a full price list from 2006 posted (as a pdf) here: http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16728414

No Octane systems in the list because Octanes were discontinued after 2004, but there are prices for the Octane accessories that they were still offering. Some of those numbers are a bit out there...

Awesome, Vishnu! We're camping this weekend but I have cell service. Can't wait to make a hotspot and look over those prices tonight on an ipad (my eye sight isn't what it used to be ).

uunix wrote:

jpstewart wrote: Octane2, V12, 2x400MHz, 512MB RAM, 18GB 10K HDD, 21" monitor, DMedia options for $71,445 MSRP.

512MB.. !!

And still 512MB on the dual-600/V12 machine in the clearance stock list.

Makes me suspect RAM was one of the "out there"-priced accessories!

ajw99uk wrote: Makes me suspect RAM was one of the "out there"-priced accessories!

Indeed. What I've seen (from November, 2001) were the following for Octane RAM:

256MB: $1000
512MB: $2000
1024MB: $4500
2048MB: $13500

Each of those prices is for a kit to fill one bank of the four in the Octane. Keep in mind that those are list prices and most (if not all) customers would receive a hefty discount. But still....

I've just made a very quick and dirty calculation of the cost of my Altix... makes me dizzy !

Keep in mind that a Facit 4070 tape punch was $4,000 in 1975. No 50% discounts, either. And an IBM Selectric was $1500. That was real money, too. A Sportster was $1200 and a new Ford van was under $3000. A brand new loaded 1978 Fiesta was $3750. My dumb (3.4 mhz) Vectra (no suffix, the original one) was $4600. Yet a nice house was about $50,000. A few years earlier (1965) a very nice house was $24,000.

You can't really compare olden dayes prices with anything. It's meaningless. The economy was structured entirely differently.

If you want to look at this with a jaundiced eye, the banksters have manipulated things so that you will never own anything except cheap junk that wears out in five years (and needs replacing, again feeding into their pockets.) The important things, those they own forever and you just get to make payments. For your entire life. They had a revolt about this in 1380. At least the peasants were realists.

Was offhand listening to right wing rabble rouser radio at work today and I probably don't remember the numbers right but they were saying that the entire US stock market in 1980 was worth something like 1 trillion dollars, and today it's worth something like 60 trillion. A trillion here a trillion there pretty soon you're talking about real money!

vishnu wrote: ... they were saying that the entire US stock market in 1980 was worth something like 1 trillion dollars, and today it's worth something like 60 trillion ...

I wonder what that is worth in real Things of Value ? Even the "That's $ 19.95 in 1970 dollars" (Notice they never do it in that direction ?) doesn't really tell you anything. The dollars are all distributed differently now.

The exact same 1906 house with the rotty post and pier foundation over the creek that floods - the exact same house we were paying $50,000 for - sold a few years ago for $700,000.

At the time, I made $5 an hour. This was a plain old middle-class job, not highly-educated techie stem wonderfulness. So if a rising tide lifts all boats, why aren't twenty year old kids earning $70 an hour to start ? That would be a salary of ... oh, $582,000 a year ?

Something is rotten in the state of danemark

hamei wrote: The important things, those they own forever and you just get to make payments. For your entire life.

http://www.the-stand-up.com
The payment model works for many things, apparently.

This is a millenial's perspective. Also, keep in mind that I work for a company that is renting a building. If/when we buy a facility, my opinion about owning a house may change. But there is a chance we may move across town or across country, so...

I am glad to be paying rent instead of a mortgage considering how many things have gone wrong in my apartment over the past year. Everything that is hooked to the plumbing has leaked into the neighbors downstairs, both toilets, both showers, both sinks, the kitchen sink, the dishwasher... even some things that do not have running water (like the airconditioner, because of a dirty evaporator, apparently) have leaked and/or required servicing. Now my roof is leaking and the ceiling in our spare closet is mouldering, and I know roofing is expensive. I don't know if I ever want to own a house A modern refrigerator has a lifespan of about 4 years, I would rather the landlords have to pay for that crap.

Maybe things were different in the old days when you bought a fridge for $50 and it kept turning forever.

At least cars are a lot easier to work on nowadays. CAN bus and standardized PGNs have gone a long way towards that, and not only do manufacturers share more documentation with dealers than ever before, it has never been easier to become a "dealer". My FIL is working to restore a '92 sedan de ville and it is a nightmare of incompatible and ancient communication protocols. Now you can get pretty good can interfaces from peak, kvaser, etc, for a couple hundred dollars. Most work like any other TCP device on a computer. The cheaper ones work like a serial port.

hamei wrote:

vishnu wrote: ... they were saying that the entire US stock market in 1980 was worth something like 1 trillion dollars, and today it's worth something like 60 trillion ...

I wonder what that is worth in real Things of Value ? Even the "That's $ 19.95 in 1970 dollars" (Notice they never do it in that direction ?) doesn't really tell you anything. The dollars are all distributed differently now.

The exact same 1906 house with the rotty post and pier foundation over the creek that floods - the exact same house we were paying $50,000 for - sold a few years ago for $700,000.

At the time, I made $5 an hour. This was a plain old middle-class job, not highly-educated techie stem wonderfulness. So if a rising tide lifts all boats, why aren't twenty year old kids earning $70 an hour to start ? That would be a salary of ... oh, $582,000 a year ?

Something is rotten in the state of danemark

Ha! You think real estate is expensive?! You have not tried a surgery, any long term chronic healthcare, anything simple like having a broken arm cast, or childbirth. The healthcare business is the place to be for maximum prooooofit! Especially since there are no "cures" any more, only long term medication. Because the pill pushers need another yacht. Especially the mental cases such as mild depression that requires $80/month addictive medication that will eventually turn into $300/month medication (again... 'addictive'). It is a good business to be in And the customers don't care so long as they keep up their insurance premium payments.

Maybe this is just IMO as a transplanted Canadian and is business as usual for the bona-fide yankees... but it doesn't seem like a sustainable system to me.

guardian452 wrote: ...specially the mental cases such as mild depression that requires $80/month addictive medication that will eventually turn into $300/month medication (again... 'addictive').

Uh, pretty sure that SSRIs, which are almost exclusively used for treatment of depression these days, are not considered habit-forming. Disclaimer-wise I have never taken one but my ex gf did (paxil), and she had no problem tapering off it over the period of just a few weeks.

'Wedding' is the cash flow word..

A broken arm at a wedding would probably break the 60 trillion mark!