IBM

What IBM hardware do we have..? - Page 4

Porn Bump.
:Crimson: :Onyx: :O2000: :O200: :O200: :PI: :PI: :Indigo: :Indigo: :Indigo: :Octane: :O2: :1600SW: :Indigo2: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :Indy: :Indy: :Cube:

Image <-------- A very happy forum member.
pentium wrote: Porn Bump.

Is this a PS/2 ?
:Indy: :O2: :O2: :Indigo: :Indigo2IMP: :Octane: :Octane2: :Octane2:
SGI - the legend will never die!!
RS/6000 7030 model 3CT. 70-some MHz Power2 processor, MCA expansion, memory installed in groups of 8 40-bit SIMMS.

And the best "What??" moment of the machine - controlled-distribution Medeco system keys. Which don't lock the on/off switch. Not sure why IBM bothered - but it's a big bother if you get one without the keys.
"Brakes??? What Brakes???"

"I am O SH-- the Great and Powerful"

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)
SAQ wrote: And the best "What??" moment of the machine - controlled-distribution Medeco system keys. Which don't lock the on/off switch. Not sure why IBM bothered - but it's a big bother if you get one without the keys.

They did that for a while with the early RS/6000s, didn't they? ISTR running into this problem with some model 320's (?? This was in 1992...) where people didn't realize the keys were important...
Then? :IRIS3130: ... Now? :O3x02L: :A3504L: - :A3502L: :1600SW: +MLA :Fuel: :Octane2: :Octane: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: ... Other: DEC :BA213: :BA123: Sun , DG AViiON , NeXT :Cube:
SAQ wrote: RS/6000 7030 model 3CT. 70-some MHz Power2 processor, MCA expansion, memory installed in groups of 8 40-bit SIMMS.

Isn't the 3CT running at 62.5MHz only?
:Indigo: R4000 :Indigo: R4000 :Indigo: R4000 :Indigo2: R4400 :Indigo2IMP: R4400 :Indigo2: R8000 :Indigo2IMP: R10000 :Indy: R4000PC :Indy: R4000SC :Indy: R4600 :Indy: R5000SC :O2: R5000 :O2: RM7000 :Octane: 2xR10000 :Octane: R12000 :O200: 2xR12000 :O200: - :O200: 2x2xR10000 :Fuel: R16000 :O3x0: 4xR16000 :A350:
among more than 150 machines : Apollo, Data General, Digital, HP, IBM, MIPS before SGI , Motorola, NeXT, SGI, Solbourne, Sun...
I have an IBM p5-505Q ( p5+ 4way @ 1.65 w/ 24GB RAM ) running AIX 7.1 ( with some Linux LPARs ) - which is my primary AIX test/dev system.

I like the 1U form factor a lot ( I think it's the last 1u pSeries ), and the fact it has 4 cores gives it a surprising amount of oomph for not being the latest kit. Though a power6 would be cool - 4 power5+ cores get the job done.

And in regards to the 3CT, I had one as workstation years ago ( when new - when I was working in finance still ) that ran at 67MHz. It had the faster Power2+
I have an OpenPower 710 (9123-710) 2 way power 5 at 1.65GHZ with 4GB ram. It runs Fedora 18 on bare metal.

I also have a IBM RS/6000 7046-B50, with a 375 MHz PowerPC 604e processor and 384MB of ram that runs AIX 5.3, and has a Matrox Millennium so it can do the whole AIX workstation thing.
SGI: :Fuel: IBM: OpenPower 710; RS/6000 7046-B50 DEC: VaxStation 4000/90; Personal Workstation 500AU; Dec 3000/500; DECSERVER 200/MC
How hot does your POWER5 run and how many watts? I'm pretty good with POWER4, and I'm typing this on a G5, but I've never used a 5.

My personal POWER6 can get toasty, but throttled down through ASMI it "only" consumes around 300W (4.2GHz 2-way, RAID 5 + hot spare).
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
ClassicHasClass wrote: How hot does your POWER5 run and how many watts? I'm pretty good with POWER4, and I'm typing this on a G5, but I've never used a 5.

My personal POWER6 can get toasty, but throttled down through ASMI it "only" consumes around 300W (4.2GHz 2-way, RAID 5 + hot spare).


Heat wise, it produces a fair amount. It lives under my bed, and most of the hot air vents under there. (Yes, it's loud, but that doesn't seem to bother me, and I live in a studio apartment so there isn't much else I can do).

Power wise, I have no clue. It's got a 750 watt power supplies if I recall correctly, but how much of that is used, I can't say as I don't have something to measure it with. (If it says so in ASMI, I've also just administered the machine in serial mode so I wouldn't know)
SGI: :Fuel: IBM: OpenPower 710; RS/6000 7046-B50 DEC: VaxStation 4000/90; Personal Workstation 500AU; Dec 3000/500; DECSERVER 200/MC
A bed-rack-mount! I like it. Mine's a deskside, and I have a house, so it sits in the server room. The baffle it came with dampens the noise quite a bit, especially the high-frequency whine.

ASMI doesn't know what the actual usage is, just what the power profile was set to. I measured mine with a Kill-A-Watt.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze , 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce , Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
Hello,

Someone from the forum convinced me to try eComStation 2.1 (2.2 is due soon?), I was very skeptical, but since there's still a few DOS applications I am still using, I figured I might give it a shot.

Therefore, I dug up a rusty x86 machine (difficult to find around here) and gave it a spin. This is what I thought about it.

Installation
No surprise, it's an old pc (1.2Ghz Via, IDE CDROM and 8GB IDE harddrive, VIA Rhine network interface), and everything was supported out of the box, it was trivial and took about 30 minutes. I haven't tried to install more than one operating system on the drive, I imagine it's possible, but I was seeking well deserved instant gratification.

There's no progress bar on the installer, so you never know how long it will take, that's quite alright. I formatted the drive with JFS, so eventually I can read it from linux should I want to (but I haven't tried that).

First boot & configuration
Again, no surprise, a "configuration" dialog appears, where you set the resolution and few other nifty things, then you reboot the machine. I imagine that if you know your way around you can setup everything in one shot and don't have (like me) to reboot a few times.

I found the configuration a little counter-intuitive at times, but this is due to my lack of knowledge and understanding of eComStation/OS2, for example the TCP/IP administration panel is located in Desktop->Local System->System Setup->Network->TCP/IP->TCP/IP Configuration; for which, after setting the IP address, you will need to reboot (twice, because I forgot to enter the DNS information first). But it's quite alright.

Everything looks very "square", IBM style. Not Irix cute. I'm very happy no extra driver was required for my relatively old PC, this is great, I'm not sure if they publish a HCL, I would have to check.

Usage
Ships with "the basics" and more (Firefox, Java, VNC server, FTP client, ntp support, file sharing, top, unzip, bzip2, gzip etc.), but no ssh and few other essentials, no problem, those can be found on hobbes, even if the versions available are often relatively old, and therefore, don't have the latest security fixes. I imagine those can be built manually. I think it would have been appreciable to ship ssh and perhaps even sshd.

My old dos applications work GREAT, and I mean, much better than with dosbox/softwindow/etc, and that's fantastic. Games work fine too, although I couldn't figure out how to get DOS games to have sound, I'm probably missing a DOS driver, although my eComStation system has sound itself. I haven't researched this. Win 16 applications work great, and that's all I really need or want, no bloated software.

After a few hours of use, I'm completely sold, this is a great system, and I really like it. I really want to invest more time into it, and learn what it can do for me, and possibly, upgrade to a faster machine when time allows. Go check it out.

_________________
:Onyx2:
Yes OS/2 is a good solid system, though like BeOS totally missed out on the concept of users and security. IBM took a long time to twig that networking should be part of the operating system with OS/2. Also had no system concept of installable software packages ( unless you count fix packs).

_________________
:Indy: :Indigo2IMP: :Octane: :Indy: 4xRS6K 2xHP9K 6xSUN 1xDEC 14xMAC 7xPC 2xPS2
eComStation, because of its commitment to preserve dos compatibility makes it a very compelling platform, most of the applications can be used for free (dbaseIII plus 1.1, 4dos/4os2, wordstar, 1-2-3, norton commander, turbo c/pascal and many many others) or even to run old games, such as the old lucasart games or early RPGs. And, since those apps were designed for sub 100Mhz computers, they run really really fast, which is a big plus.

And undoubtedly, applications are sandboxed, no really, I'm digging it. It's not super cute, but it's super fun and very usable. If I were to chose only one non-unix OS at home, besides plan9, it would be eComStation or OS2. What else? They have a downloadable demo of 2.2, which is great to qualify hardware easily and give it a spin, on real or emulated boxens.

_________________
:Onyx2:
The OS/2 Firefox port has run off the rails, though. It doesn't look like they're going to be able to jump to 17.

_________________
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred , 700MHz R16K, 2GB RAM, V12, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy , 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
probably posted from Image bruce , 2x2x2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 8GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * HP C8000 * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...
ClassicHasClass wrote:
Firefox has run off the rails, though. It doesn't look like they're going to return to Earth any time soon. .

There. Fixed that for you :D

_________________
lemon tree very pretty and the flower very sweet ...
Code:
"Here am I floating in my browser
Far above the world
OS/2 ain't new, so there's nothing I can do."



OS/2 has had optional networking support in the EE/Connect editions for a long time, since well before I saw it (1.2 or so). IBM even put in TCP/IP support eventually (2.0EE?) for those who couldn't or wouldn't see the light and use SNA.

Does Serenity have the whole codebase to update, or are they still just doing driver and some userspace hacking a la BeOS MAX?

_________________
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Systems available for remote access on request.

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)
SAQ wrote:
Code:
"Here am I floating in my browser
Far above the world
OS/2 ain't new, so there's nothing I can do."
Always got the impression that the original was aimed more at stoners than the stars.... though this one added at least a little more lyrical plausibility .

_________________
***********************************************************************
Welcome to ARMLand - 0/0x0d00
running...(sherwood-root 0607201829)
* InfiniteReality/Reality Software, IRIX 6.5 Release *
***********************************************************************
The scary thing is that in the dusty stacks of at least one university library there is a paper on the sociocultrual meanings and implications of the "Major Tom" character. No, I didn't put it there, but someone else did. Can't recall if it was master's or doctorate.

_________________
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Systems available for remote access on request.

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)
Since we're here talking DOS and OS/2, is there any particular application worth checking, either for OS/2 or DOS that I might not know of, I've recently "discovered" dbase-III plus 1.1 and I really really enjoyed it. Are they any OS/2 specific applications worth taking a look at?

_________________
:Onyx2:
mia wrote:
Are they any OS/2 specific applications worth taking a look at?

A lot of the best OS/2 programs were tools such as mail servers and the like, not too sexy to look at. MR/2 ICE (I think) was a very good mail client. DeScribe was a popular and capable word processor. I had a whole mix-n-match setup with DOS, Win 3.1 and OS/2 apps all mingled together - that was pretty nice, you could pick the program you liked best and run it, no operating-system-prison. There's a spreadsheet that takes live inputs, which can be pretty cool. Not too much on the graphics end. Look through Hobbes, many good (if dated-looking) programs there.

What you might not notice at first is that everything is an object ... for instance, a printer is not just a dumb script. Take your printer object, drag a copy off it and change the properties, now you have two printers, one for letter and one for A4. Do again, one for envelopes, one for color, one for double-sided tabloid. It's harder to describe why this is so useful but if you do it a bit, you'll fall in love.

AND if you don't install crappy Windows-developer-written software, the responsiveness of OS/2 is super. Better than Irix ... App A does not screech to a halt or lock you out when App B gets busy. That's dependent on the application code tho :( At least IBM tried to make people write programs properly. You'll really see OS/2's strengths if you go to dual-core or more. The scheduler kicks ass.

Oh. If you install X/Free86 you can X to your Irix boxes. There are no SGI extensions in XFree so running Irix apps from OS/2 is not as good as going the other way. You won't get the workplace shell that way but it's still fun.

_________________
lemon tree very pretty and the flower very sweet ...