SGI: Development

mapesdhs wrote: just updated an Indigo2 to your builds, diegel

so you're running a gtk2 firefox on an indigo
now that's brave

That's like rolling a bowling ball from the top of a hill with a smooth paved road that's got three inches of thickened molasses glommed onto it...

foetz wrote: so you're running a gtk2 firefox on an indigo
now that's brave

It does run slow, I must admit. I usually try and stick with Dillo for web browsing on my Indigo2, but sometimes Dillo's rendering engine just won't cut it on certain pages. The latest FF3 build is at least much more on a par with the performance of SeaMonkey. Slow on an old R10000, but sometimes slow is better than nothing

Trippynet wrote: Slow on an old R10000, but sometimes slow is better than nothing

When I remember the 90th with Internet backbone capacities of 2 mbit or less and dialin modems with 33,6kbit/s, compared with that even a ff3 running on an old R10000 is fast. With today's technology everything is much faster of course, but is it also better? Some days ago I used the web without noscript and adblocker with a current system and I was shocked about poor performance and the amount of advertising, I love entering a time capsule by using my old computers.

foetz wrote: so you're running a gtk2 firefox on an indigo
now that's brave

Ach it's not that bad given the CPU is only an R10K/195.

diegel, I hear ya on the modern web. I remember the early 90s at uni, fast(ish) net link, not really any advertising back then.

Ian.

diegel wrote: When I remember the 90th with Internet backbone capacities of 2 mbit or less and dialin modems with 33,6kbit/s, compared with that even a ff3 running on an old R10000 is fast. With today's technology everything is much faster of course, but is it also better? Some days ago I used the web without noscript and adblocker with a current system and I was shocked about poor performance and the amount of advertising, I love entering a time capsule by using my old computers.

Yep, I remember those days as well. Netscape on an Indigo2 at work or web browsing under Windows 98 at home were quite acceptable back then. I didn't find the speeds too bad as most the pages were very basic of course. And although they took a good few seconds to load, the OS and browser would stay nice and responsive as the most taxing thing you had to worry about was the odd animated GIF.

I suppose the main difference I noticed more recently was using my O2 back in the early 2000s to browse the web. Although a bit slow, Firebird (from SGI freeware) could render pages fine, and the performance was overall acceptable. Then a couple of years ago when I dug my O2 out of storage and fired it up, Firebird couldn't even render a basic phpBB forum and it ground to a halt when trying. And yet, I don't seem to recall modern versions of phpBB containing tons of additional useful functionality, it's all just bloat.

diegel wrote: Some days ago I used the web without noscript and adblocker with a current system and I was shocked about poor performance and the amount of advertising ...

Try it when 60% of that crap is never going to load because it's blocked by your ISP. There is supposed to be a switch in about:config to change that but at least here, it makes no difference. Flopsy just sits there waiting by the phone ... Sad, really, but also annoying.

Recently some guy on a tomshardware forum who looked at my site asked with amazement how come my site loads
on his phone so 'goddam fast'. I said it's because it's hand-coded and not full of junk. Blows my mind when I check the
contents of a modern web page just how stuffed with rubbish it is, sometimes a font/colour definition for every word
or even every character. Nuts...

Ian.

Meanwhile, I have an acquaintance who can't fathom that I preferentially write unstyled plain text without CSS because I don't see the reason to sex up a page purely for informational purposes. "It loads fast enough on a modern Mac/PC, who cares?"

Feel for ya dude, bling is the curse of the modern web, or 'bells & whistles' as my uni HCI lecturer used to call it.

Ian.

ClassicHasClass wrote: Meanwhile, I have an acquaintance who can't fathom ...

He also drives a crew-cab dually with a v-10 Cummins to go to the grocery store for a quart of milk and can't understand why there is a problem with that.

Mom Nature is taking corrective action even as we speak.

I am not a tree hugger by any stretch, but that is just insane lol. It would burn more than a quart of gas to get that quart of milk! I just DL'd the files, I am going to test it out. I am hoping that a retro web bug hits and people go back to building pages that look like the late 90s without a bunch of junk code.

mapesdhs wrote: Recently some guy on a tomshardware forum who looked at my site asked with amazement how come my site loads
on his phone so 'goddam fast'.

Ian, that reminds me to let you know that a few times over the last couple of months I've had trouble fetching some of your pages - some arrivie swiftly but the other day, for example, I could not get the spares/parts page (though the Octane page had been fetched/rendered fine). No real diagnostics, sorry, just a normal timeout message from the browser.

I think the DailyUK site host has had a few problems at times, as indeed on occasion I've not been able to access my site at all.
It normally doesn't last long, but certainly kinda bad for what's supposed to be a reliable setup.

I pondered the idea of having a mirror of the for-sale site, but that would be costly, and I can't do that on the existing mirrors
as they're not my sites.

Ian.

Well, hmmmm .... I'm rebuilding the boot disk from the bottom, got all the prereqs installed and fireflop installed without complaint but when I try to start it,

So okay, missed a prereq, went to get it and no 1.2.8 in /beta. Nor in /current. There's a 1.2.5 in /current and a 1.2.5-r1 in /beta on nekochan but not in the dustytech mirror, so installed that but still get this message.

It must be somewhere cuz I had to have it before, been using the flop3 for quite a while. But I can't find it noplace

that's on diegel's ftp. although having a typo in the name

foetz wrote: that's on diegel's ftp. although having a typo in the name

I seem to be blind thank you

foetz wrote: that's on diegel's ftp. although having a typo in the name

What is the typo?

the 1 is missing

Hate to ask, but diegel or someone else, can you roll a tardist with all dependencies installed?