WolvesOfTheNight wrote:
However, as ISDN is now (speed & price) I think that they should just give up on it.
Again, they aren't pushing it for *data*, but many people still use ISDN for voice, where a T1 is impractical or too expensive.
WolvesOfTheNight wrote:
-One of the pervious big reasons to buy cisco was that they were multiprotocol. Now most everyone is happy with IP; who cares if your router will handle appletalk or not?
The multiprotocol argument is a fair one. All vendors implement compatible IP stacks. On this issue it's mostly a matter of price (e.g. the SOHO router).
WolvesOfTheNight wrote:
-For ethernet routers/firewalls/multilayer switches you can put a pile of ethernet cards in a linux box. I don't know how this really compares with using cisco products, but I do know of people that do it because it is cheaper.
First, in my and most other professional's opinions I'll wager, host-based routers are a joke in the enterprise space and nothing more than toys in SOHOs. They are the domain of hobbiests that enjoy doing new and interesting things with their OS of choice (which is not at all a bad thing). However, not only is there no support on such "devices" (a *huge* deal for a business), they are a kludgy mish-mash of applications and configurations.
IOS is standard across all routers that use it. The syntax is the same, upgrade paths are the same or very similar, and it's performance on various devices is nearly a known quantity. The variety of ways to configure/upgrade a host-based router of *any* kind just doesn't lend itself well to environments where the admin that built it likely will not be around when there is a problem and device performance/reliability is paramount.
WolvesOfTheNight wrote:
-Judging from what I covered in the CCNA certification, they don't seem interested in making their stuff easier to administrate. While this makes it easier for me to get a job, it is a poor long term business practice.
There is an http(s) server on nearly every Cisco device with a GUI, if you prefer that to the command line. Not all configuration options will ever be available through the GUI, though (that would lead to something on the order of the Windows Registry in size, complexity and probably instability). You can perform most common tasks and get a snapshot of the device via this method. Despite the availability of the GUI, I have never seen an admin I respected use it, and probably never will - the console is standard and predictable across devices (once you're used to it).
WolvesOfTheNight wrote:
In the past 5 years how much new & exciting stuff has cisco come out with, and how much have they dropped the prices on the old stuff. Are they coming up with new stuff that you really want in your network, or do they depend on selling retreads of old products?
Most of the development in the networking world is in wireless and VoIP right now. In that regard, Cisco has created entirely new product lines and invested in making them reliable enough for enterprise use (they run on their own equipment - believe it or not, including CallManager... ugh). Their products are never perfect (whose are?), but they are rarely behind the curve with reliable(!) hardware and the support to back it up. In the industry, I don't think anybody has anything like TAC (they'll write the config for you, if you have a service contract - most Cisco customers do whether they need it or not).
Clearly, I am behind Cisco in much the same way as some sysadmins are with Microsoft. While some would disagree with this standpoint, Cisco products have always been good to me, and when they haven't (hardware failure), Cisco has always replaced the part as fast as I asked for it. Their devices perform well, are reliable in ways many other companies can only dream of, and are a de-facto standard both within their own company and across the industry. There really is very little reason *not* to buy Cisco, if you can afford it (this is a large point of contention, even among Cisco supporters), and *no* reason for a netadmin worth their salt to not be familiar with IOS.