The collected works of bluecode - Page 1

Where are you guys getting the icons for your sigs that show various machines etc.?

Ah thanks. I will try it for Sun gear since I don't have any SGI yet!

Thank you. Just glad I wasn't asking a face-palm question!

I did a quick search before and didn't find anything. I will look again. Looking for graphics like the SGI ones, for individual machines. Thanks.

After your first comment I found those, thank you. The last update where the guy pentium was doing artwork was in 2008. I'll try to revive the thread and see if he or anyone else is still making icons.

But the obvious, more practical solution for me is to simply start buying SGI gear

Yeah but that didn't stop you from saying you could use the RAM and rails for your Sun v440 or mentioning your Sun gear in your .sig

When I get some money SGI gear is definitely on the list. At this point I am reading posts here trying to learn so I make the right choice. I am also glad to find a site where I don't have to go through 1,000 posts why Opteron is better than Xeon blah blah blah

Emphasis on theoretically! In practice that's irrelevant. I mean do you really want to write GUI apps or a data base engine in brainf**k?



Right but it goes much further than that. Languages are bound to platforms and types of tasks a lot more than people realize because most people only have experience with one platform or a bunch of platforms that are essentially very similar from the programmer's point of view. Even if a language runs on multiple platforms and OS it is often more useful on some combinations of platforms and OS than others, mostly because the type of work across those platforms and OS differs so much.



Nope and I dispute those languages are the currrent lingua franca of programming unless you are talking about *NIX based computing. In my work nobody uses those except maybe for a little of the UI and on the platform I work with nobody use those languages even for applications since domain specific languages and libraries were available before C and are now entrenched and C/C++ are still not supported very well.



I know a bunch of languages that aren't used very much now but my favorite is z/Arch assembler. Assembler is bound very much to an OS *and* the hardware platform. So I'm looking for a platform I like and an OS I like and a language I like and I haven't found the sweet spot yet (other than the one I already work on). That should be a different spin on your question, since I assume everyone else here knows and loves UNIX and it's just a matter of what language that's useful on UNIX would you like to learn. Sigh, you guys have it so easy

Agree. IBM doesn't care, since nobody runs AIX except on enterprise equipment on contract. Same thing with Oracle, nobody runs SPARC servers except for enterprise customers on contracts.

It does suck that we the hobbyists who have POWER or SPARC hardware are getting screwed from all angles, but it doesn't affect IBM or Oracle business. As far as they know we simply don't exist.

No doubt C is found many places. But so are assembly and Java. Historically there was much more assembly running on DOS than C, all the Borland stuff was written in assembly. All the platforms you mentioned except for Windows/CE and OS/400 (hasn't been called that for years, it's now iOS or something like that) are dead so that doesn't really count for much and even on OS/400 C accounted for what, 1% of all code? RPG was probably 75% and COBOL and Java the rest. Java is more prevalent on mobile, probably 95% of all phones especially since the last major C++ phone platform (Nokia) went away and even in embedded Java has displaced C, and C will never regain the popularity it had there. This has nothing to do with C or Java being good or bad, it's just how it is. I realize when you work with *NIX or desktop stuff you think C is all there is. I'm telling you that is an incorrect view.

Hi Pontus, what old listings do you have? I'm always in the mood for hearing about old IBM stuff.

I've been selecting CDE as the desktop on all my Solaris boxes for years despite the repeated deprecation warnings. Glad to see it will be available for those who want it on other platforms. I read Motif will also be open sourced soon.

rcs?

Can anybody do Sun server icons? And other wierd stuff?

I'm interested in this thread also. What small servers will work for OpenVMS and what would a fair price be?

Hmmm, I didn't see your post until today for some reason. I don't see how to get to the full editor for my .sig either. I am still looking tho. Thanks.

I'm hopelessly art-challenged

Thanks guys. I see the option when I am posting, just not when I am editing my .sig (and I can't find icons for anything I own anyway!)

Reading more carefully I think the suggestion was to use the posting editor and then paste into the .sig. Sorry for not getting it earlier.

Anyway, YES, we have no Sun icons, we have no Sun icons today!

Thanks for the link I will read it. I like emulators for things that are impossible to get anymore, but when you can run real hardware it's usually better.

Is there such a thing as a cheap/decent 1U itanium box because people are moving off them(?) or are people hoarding them since they're afraid they're not going to be made anymore?

Thanks guys. Urban Camo, what boxes do you have in mind and do you know how much they weigh? If not I'll look them up and see if I could possibly afford shipping. Or feel free to PM me but I am pretty broke right now so please don't take offense if I can't work something out.

x3270 rocks on Linux and BSD. I'm sure you can compile it on mac also.

Those do look nice but 25Kg is going to require friends in the shipping business or a local find as you guys said. That is light for a 2U tho.

I've been watching posts and discussions on this all over the net and it still looks fairly painful and requires old releases of stuff from VMWare.

Does anybody have a simple recipe for converting a physical Windows install to a VirtualBox install? I'm trying to wean a certain family member off Windows co-dependence and I have a better idea what I want to do with that box anyway!

I have a theory but I haven't had time to try it. I was thinking of using partimage to make an image of the installed system. Then I would create a new vdi under VirtualBox and boot the partimage CD in VBox and restore the image into the vdi. Now I have a real/fake installed Windows system in VBox. But I know Windows is very touchy about actual configurations and will probably burp and bluescreen from the hardware changes. If nobody has any better ideas or if somebody knows this can't work, be nice and save me some time

If nobody says anything and I have time to try it I will let you know.

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Just say "No!" to Windows -- Because a computer is a terrible thing to waste

Thankfully I don't understand Windows but the drivers needed for VirtualBox seem more likely to be installed than the drivers for my mobo, etc. on the PC it's installed on now since I had to install them from a CD when I installed XP on that box. I'm thinking it's more about Windows detecting something changed than not having drivers. But you may be right.



Sounds interesting. What is sysprep and is it free? I'll go a'lookin' and a'searchin'.

Thanks

I don't remember having needed an activation code for this. It is an old install of XP from around 2002/2003. Thank you.

Maybe this is a stupid question but since they are listing the header files that are going away, can't you just add them back and compile on your system? I build Emacs from source all the time on Solaris in Solaris's path hell, and if it builds there it will build anywhere..

Nice machine you have there. How much does it weigh?

Edit: HP says 32 pounds. Hmmm. Oh well if I win the lottery there will be a lot of happy people on this site

Beautiful machine!

Yes, they're noisy but at a lower pitch than your V210. Kind of like driving at the ton with the windows down in the summer.

The 1U servers are usually pretty shrill since the fans run about 17,000 RPM and only 3-4K on the V440/480/490. The 4-bangers make a LOT of heat. I have 2 440s under my desk and they blast my legs like a car heater...great for the winter but intolerable the rest of the year. And they're not faster for most workloads than your V210. If you are going to run it all the time you better have a set of hearing protectors and some serious air conditioning. Otherwise buy another V210. They're the best value for the money as far as I am concerned. I have a stack of V210s with the dual 1.34GHz CPUs like yours and they're plenty fast enough for me. If you want faster I think both they and the V440/X can go up to 1.5GHz but they may need an additional cooling upgrade from what I read. On the V440 both PSUs must run because it requires both fans for cooling. So it is noisy and hot and consumes power even though theoretically more than one PSU is redundant. Somebody check me on it but I think the 480/490 have 4 PSUs and that will probably be worse.

For a development box the 2 socket V210 is hard to beat in the SPARC world. If it doesn't have to be a server, then an Ultra80 is probably worth looking at. It's a lot easier to live with in terms of noise and power and heat but of course it is a lot slower, too.

What they don't seem to tell you on that page is the 3A is a quad core. Even the single core 900MHz Loongson runs pretty nice and the laptops built on that are much cheaper.

Congrats, let us know how you like it. I could use a smaller/lighter/more frugal SPARC box too.

Our very own Miod has skillfully ported OpenBSD to Loongson 2E/F. The older single core laptops and other Lemote products will run OpenBSD fantastically.
I don't think 3A is supported yet.

Agreed. For so-called "entry-level servers" they're pretty damn nice.



I believe it but it will take a lot of threading to show it probably. The T1 CPUs are clocked 50% slower than top end IIIi.



Yeah this is an important point but even more important is you can run LDOMs!

It's the first rule of sales to overprice stuff and make it hard to buy. That makes it "desirable".

Like other people have said there are plenty of reasons not to like Apple from the Foxcon slave-labor manufacturing to the walled garden software sales and oh, so much more.

I have never bought Apple-anything and never been tempted (ok, I wouldn't mind having a g4 quad just to play around with PPC but so far no luck). I do have two old Apple PowerBooks a friend asked me to sell and I will eventually get rid of them but my own money goes to more useful less trendy stuff. Plus I am definitely against idol worship! Some people seem to need a false religion more than they need a phone or laptop.

Did Apple ever get real multitasking working on the iPhone or are they still bullshitting everybody?

No, you still have to go without or "have friends in the business".



It doesn't really affect Sun hardware very much unless you get a very recent ($$$$) box. Most of the EOL stuff is cheap and the firmware is as up to date as it will ever be. Solaris 10 is also pretty evolved and not likely to need many patches, at least I run Sun versions since I have entitlements and they're "good enough" for me, no problems. Plus you can always run Open/Net/FreeBSD on most Sun gear and also Linux.

Not with Apple there isn't!

Thanks for all you've done. OpenBSD on Loongson is really fantastic.

Now if someone can get IRIX running on Lemote boxes... !

Sure, there is the Hercules emulator and it works great. Somebody here even ported it to IRIX! But you still need an OS. IBM released OS/360 and MVS 3.8 and they are available on the net either as turnkey installations or roll-your-own sysgen. I did the sysgen and it worked out fine. Takes only an hour on a modern box. QEMU also has an S390 target but I haven't tried it and I don't believe you can run OS/360 or early MVS on it.

They're not rare to find, you can buy them from Lemote's Alibaba shop. But yeah the larger screen plus shipping is getting up there. Hopefully some non Windows-enabled ARM netbooks will be affordable soon.

Sweet! CMS on VM/370 was a fantastic development environment.

SNOBOL4, REXX, XEDIT, CMS had it all, even in the 370 days.

Cats, people. I hate them but this is one case where nothing is more effective or safe.