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I have an Ultra 1 that I got from a swap meet a few years ago, and have just now gotten around to actually working on it. Here is my problem: no video. From the time I turn the machine on to a good while after (all the keyboard lights have stopped flashing) I get no video. At least on one of my monitors (a Compaq S710). The other monitor (an ancient CTX) will eventually show video but it's horribly garbled. Now, I am using a 13w3 to VGA adapter, and I'm not entirely sure if either of these monitors support sync on green, which I understand the Sun requires. Is this the kind of thing I would be getting if they don't? I've no idea if the machine actually works, so it could also be the video card, but I'd like to rule out something as simple as the monitors not being supported. Any help would be appreciated as I know next to nothing about Sun hardware (all of my experience has been on x86 boxes, usually Linux or Windows).

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
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Is the 13W3 adapter a Sun compatible adapter?

I think so. As I understand it the SGI version is much harder to find, and I just grabbed a cheap one on eBay. The seller said it was equivalent to Sun part #X3872A.

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Also, does the machine work, have you connected it to the serial port?(remember to unplug the keyboard before PON)

Don't know. Unfortunately, I don't have a serial cable with a 25 pin connector anywhere. I'll see if I can snag one from work on Friday. That said I think it does work. One time when I started it up, with the monitor that shows garbled video, it was clear enough that I could make out the boot screen. The white one with the little sun logo in the top left. Sorry, don't know the technical name for this screen. Here's a picture of what it looks like usually.
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What graphic adapter is it?

I believe it's a TurboGX, it looks like this:
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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
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Other thing to check - it's easy to bend pins on Sun pin-type connectors (SBUS, horiz UPA, pin-type processor connectors). Pull it and double check the pins.

Pulled the card, pins are fine. As soon as I get my hands on a serial cable I'll try to check the PROM settings, etc.

Thanks for the help.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
kjaer wrote:
For the n-th time, Suns don't output composite sync on green. They output composite (H+V) sync, on a separate sync pin. Your Compaq monitor doesn't know how to handle anything but separate sync (pin for each of H and V) and I'm guessing it's showing nothing because it's smart enough to not light the tube unless it is receiving (what it considers to be) a valid sync signal.


Well, that explains that then. I guess I'm going to have to find a monitor capable of using composite sync. Do Sun's LCDs support it? No way I'm paying for the shipping on a CRT. Either that or I need to find an affordable sync separator. Any ideas where I can find one? Google didn't turn up anything affordable.

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Are you sure your CTX monitor can even display an 1152x900 pixel raster?


Good point, doubt it. I don't remember ever using it above 800x600, thought it might do 1024x768. I presume the Sun won't output such a low resolution.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
mila wrote:
Well I don't know about that monitor but in my eyes it look like some cheap old display, depending on the 13W3 plug(i is strapped for a certain resolution) but for that time it was a pretty high freq(>90MHz) pixelclock and that monitor ...


I do have a better CRT I was only using that one becasue it's the only one I was getting any output from.

mila wrote:
Dont you have any modern TFT monitor, anyone today should work and like said Sun dont use sync on green.


Again, I do but I was just trying the two CRTs I had at my workbench. I've got an LCD on my main rig, but I didn't want to take everything apart and drag the display downstairs.

mila wrote:
Why not unplug the keyboard and connect a serial cable to computer, 9600 baud and see what it says, if you get into the OPENBOOT then continue with a better display.


As I said earlier, I don't have a serial cable on hand to try this with, not to mention neither my desktop nor my laptop have a serial port. The only machine I have that has a serial port (and works) is a 486 laptop running Windows 3.1. It should work, I just need to get a cable.

Sorry for being a bit of a dunce, I'm not very familiar with non-x86 hardware.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
I found a null modem cable. I assume this means the NVRAM is bad?
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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
Well, I've ordered a new NVRAM chip. I shall followup as soon as it comes in and I've installed it.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
It lives!
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I still need to find a monitor, and I've no idea what the password would be, so I'll need to reinstall the OS. Also, I love that the machine is called "Stimpy".

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
smj wrote:
Cool, and hopefully it will be fine. But if it's New Old Stock (NOS), or a used pull, the built-in battery might be near death or dead. Even if it's relatively new and in good condition, eventually that battery will fail, so you might consider taking a shot at modifying the old part according to this thread and others it links to (or can be found via search) to use an external coin cell battery.


It's a NOS chip, so that's definitely a concern. Hopefully, I can get a bit of life out of the new one, and I can worry about modding it, or the old one, later.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
I was under the impression Solaris 10 wouldn't install on an Ultra 1? Also, it's only got 64MB of RAM so I don't think 10 would work anyway. I might just install NetBSD since I don't have a copy of Solaris laying around. That said, if I do get a copy of Solaris, I could go into single user mode and reset the root password, yes? Would be interesting to see what's on the machine as they didn't wipe the drive.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
More problems! So, today I got a sealed copy of Solaris 8 in the mail, so I can recover the root password on my machine. However when I attempt to boot from the CD I get this error:
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Now despite this being a shrink-wrapped box and the media folders being sealed, the install disc is scratched. I don't think it's bad enough for it to not read the disc, but... Is this the kind of error I'd see if in that case? If this is something else, could you point me in the right direction to fix it?

Here is the output of the probe-scsi command if that helps:
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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
A-Ha! Yes, the first one worked. I've got the root password reset and now I can get into the machine. Many thanks!

But now I'm having display issues again. I had found that my LCD monitor worked with the machine, but now it no longer does. Ever since I turned off auto-boot (so that I could run the probe-scsi command after a clean restart) it no longer works. I turned auto-boot back on, and the machine does boot, as the serial output shows, but it no longer shows up on the monitor. Other than that though it does work great.

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Sun Ultra 1 Model 170
IBM RS/6000 7011-250
Various Intel stuff
Hello,

I am interested in buying a VITEC RasterFlex HR, if anyone has one. I've kept an eye out on eBay, but they never show-up. The only ones I've seen are on German eBay, and the seller doesn't ship to the United States. Seems to be the best bet for 24-bit color on my non-Creator Ultra 1.
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
Does anyone have instructions (or a link to) for setting up a Solaris or Linux boot server for installing SunOS 4.1.4? From my internet searching, it should be possible. However, all the guides I find are for setting up a JumpStart server for pushing out Solaris. I have no external CD-ROM drives that want to play nice with my SPARCclassic (weirdly not even the IBM built one for my RS/6000, which I would have thought would work). I can get it to show up during a SCSI probe, but I just get the "Bad Magic number in disk label" error when trying to boot it.

Thanks!
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
cb88 wrote: You can just get someone on here from Europe to ship it to you by proxy... that's what I did.


I'm waiting to hear back from escimo, but that's hopefully what we'll do.
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
Thanks for the help. Turns out my install media is actually f'd. I can't mount the CD on my Linux machine either, so it's likely bad. I guess I'll have to settle for Solaris.
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
Yeah, I realized that later. Learn something new every day, I guess.

I'll be honest, it was a burned CD from an ISO. At first I thought the drive just couldn't read the CD-R, but it turns out it doesn't support 512 byte block mode. I, incorrectly, assumed it would since I was under the impression that AIX required it, and it works fine on my RS/6000. It's possible that only the earlier versions did, or I'm entirely wrong. The drive is a Toshiba XM-3401BMA. Apparently, it can be modified to work ( http://www.pimpworks.org/sun/suncds.html ), but I don't want to have to hack it.

At this point, unless I'm mistaken, it looks like my options are:
1. Buy a Sun compatible CD-ROM
2. Do a network install
3. Modify my existing CD-ROM
4. Just install a newer version of Solaris that doesn't care about the block size (I think 2.6+)

If I do #1, is there any trouble I'll run into burning it (like I did mounting)? Alternatively, if I do #2, I'll have to find a way to mount it somehow so I can pull the required data off for the boot server.

Sorry, I'm kinda fumbling around with this. This has been a fun little project, but I'm a bit out of my depth.
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
So, I got a Sun CD-ROM, and spent the night getting SunOS installed. It's not the most user-friendly operating system in the world, but that's to be expected due to its age.

I'm using a SCSI2SD card instead of a hard drive, and my first mistake was to set it to a 4GB "drive" size. As SunOS doesn't have a Type for a drive that size, I would have had to set it up by CHS, and I have no idea what I would put there. It's not a physical drive, so it doesn't have any true geometry, and I have no idea what geometry it's emulating. So I switched to a 2.1GB "drive" so I could select the built-in Type for a Sun 2.1GB drive. That way not only did I not have to futz with setting the geometry, I didn't have to fight the partitioner. I need to do some real research on how SunOS does drive partitions (slices?) as that's not a way I'm used to thinking about partitions. At least for future reference.

After getting that to behave, I had trouble getting it to install. I decided to have it do a full install (everything it could), and that turned out to be a bad idea as well. It eventually got to extracting a package (versatec), and it failed saying I needed to mount volume 1 (and that volume -1 was currently mounted!). Maybe I ran out of hard drive space, or maybe that package isn't actually on my install disk? In any case, I restarted and did a minimal install just to see if it would work. The install finished as expected, and after a reboot... it still didn't work.

Turns out the SPARCclassic is expecting the drive to be at a different SCSI ID than I thought. Normally SCSI boot disks need to be at ID 0, but it looks like it's expecting the drive to be at ID 3? After figuring that out, it seems I have a working system. Now all I have to do, is either figure out how to install packages from the CD post install, or do a re-install. That way I can get SunView going.

Thanks for the help everybody. If you have any further suggestions on where to go from here, or resources to educate myself, send them my way.
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
In that case, perhaps I will change the SCSI ID to 3. It does seem to work fine if I just do a

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boot disk0
though. Maybe I'll just leave it that way for now.

I got everything going, BTW. :mrgreen:
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HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
There is also a third option: You could try Tenox's web rendering proxy. It converts web pages to clickable image maps. Should work on most browsers. Though when I tried it on Netscape 1.0, I couldn't get any of the links to work (that might just be Netscape 1.0 though).

You can find it here: https://github.com/tenox7/wrp
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
Hello,

I'm looking to buy RAM for an IBM RS/6000 7011-250. It's my understanding that it can take a maximum of 256MB of RAM across 8 sticks. I'm looking for a full 256MB (8x 32MB), but am willing to buy smaller amounts (say 4x 32MB). I believe that the 7011-250 can take either the original part (P/N 7011-4012), or PS/2 SIMMs (though only if they are ECC).

Edit: Looks like the FRU for the original part is "73G3235" (according to http://ps-2.kev009.com/rs6000/txt/RS6000_Memory_Grid.txt ).
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
I'm no longer looking for this. Escimo and I worked out a trade.

Thanks everybody!
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)
Shiunbird wrote: Deliver by proxy? How heavy it is?


My C3700 was about 65lbs shipped, so they're pretty heavy.
HP Visualize C3700 (HP-UX 11.11)
IBM RS/6000 7011-250 (AIX 4.3.3)
Sun SPARCclassic (SunOS 4.1.4)
Sun Ultra 1 (Solaris 8)