Nekonomicon - Wings available for Irix precompiled

SGISTEVE
From Remote Rocky Mountains, Colorado
Who joined May 5, 2008, 5:23 p.m.

Wrote the following at June 3, 2008, 3:36 p.m...

Request for a new function to wings. Please add support for the 3D glasses if possible.

Thanks

sgiSteve

When in doubt, go higher. Real time realistic interactive graphics.

WANTED Cray CX-1 cheap

SGISTEVE
From Remote Rocky Mountains, Colorado
Who joined May 5, 2008, 5:23 p.m.

Wrote the following at June 3, 2008, 6:15 p.m...

Wings worked great running on a Octane2 with V12 and dual 600 Mhz + 8 Gigs + run over eithernet.

sgiSteve

When in doubt, go higher. Real time realistic interactive graphics.

WANTED Cray CX-1 cheap

figgles
Who joined Feb. 4, 2007, 1:48 p.m.

Wrote the following at June 27, 2008, 2:05 p.m...

So I just compiled Wings3D for MIPS3...

I know someone was interested in its performance on older machines such as R4x00 Indigo2s with IMPACT graphics...so here is my report.

Wings3D 0.99.02
OTP R12B-2
SDL 1.2.13

The test machine is a teal Indigo2 with a R4400 @ 250MHz/2MB L2, 384MB of RAM, and ExtremeGraphics.

Unfortunately, Wings3D performance is terrible with this configuration. Adding a single, 4 polygon pyramid and rotating the camera causes the CPU usage to skyrocket to 100% and the frame draw extremely slowly (interactive FPS, but close to 5-10). I can almost guarantee that this is due to the way the menus/icons are being drawn: textures. As you all probably know, ExtremeGraphics doesn't do texturing in hardware.

I use Maya 5.0 on the same machine, and from playing with multiple thousand polygon models, I can say easily that Maya's performance far, far exceeds Wings3D, and I don't mean that in the way that a professional program written by a company owned by SGI at the time should perform better on SGI hardware versus a generic open source one. Wings3D is written in Erlang and interpreted, yes, but I've found that to be far less of a performance stumbling block even on low end (compared to Octane/Fuel) configs like R10000 @ 195MHz. It is the lack of texturing hardware makes this pretty much unusable unfortunately. Maya uses X11 and overlay planes to do its GUI, and as such, doesn't suffer the performance penalties I'm seeing here.

So, in short, if you want Wing3D on an Indigo, you're pretty much out of luck for getting anything usable. If you are looking for Wings3D on an Indigo2, you will probably want High/MaxIMPACT graphics. The menus on Wings3D aren't what I would consider "texture intensive", so 1MB is actually just fine, though I'm sure that if you are doing texturing in Wings3D, you'll want the full 4MB.

I have tested Wings3D on a purple Indigo2 (R10000@195MHz, 1GB RAM, MaxIMPACT/1TRAM) works great. I have a secondary SolidIMPACT in that machine, but I haven't tried running Wings3D on that monitor.

Patrick Baggett
Figgle Software, Inc.

jdboyd
From Southern PA
Who joined Aug. 21, 2003, 11:47 a.m.

Wrote the following at June 27, 2008, 2:21 p.m...

figgles wrote: So I just compiled Wings3D for MIPS3...

I know someone was interested in its performance on older machines such as R4x00 Indigo2s with IMPACT graphics...so here is my report.

Wings3D 0.99.02
OTP R12B-2
SDL 1.2.13

The test machine is a teal Indigo2 with a R4400 @ 250MHz/2MB L2, 384MB of RAM, and ExtremeGraphics.

Unfortunately, Wings3D performance is terrible with this configuration. Adding a single, 4 polygon pyramid and rotating the camera causes the CPU usage to skyrocket to 100% and the frame draw extremely slowly (interactive FPS, but close to 5-10). I can almost guarantee that this is due to the way the menus/icons are being drawn: textures. As you all probably know, ExtremeGraphics doesn't do texturing in hardware.

I use Maya 5.0 on the same machine, and from playing with multiple thousand polygon models, I can say easily that Maya's performance far, far exceeds Wings3D, and I don't mean that in the way that a professional program written by a company owned by SGI at the time should perform better on SGI hardware versus a generic open source one. Wings3D is written in Erlang and interpreted, yes, but I've found that to be far less of a performance stumbling block even on low end (compared to Octane/Fuel) configs like R10000 @ 195MHz. It is the lack of texturing hardware makes this pretty much unusable unfortunately. Maya uses X11 and overlay planes to do its GUI, and as such, doesn't suffer the performance penalties I'm seeing here.

So, in short, if you want Wing3D on an Indigo, you're pretty much out of luck for getting anything usable. If you are looking for Wings3D on an Indigo2, you will probably want High/MaxIMPACT graphics. The menus on Wings3D aren't what I would consider "texture intensive", so 1MB is actually just fine, though I'm sure that if you are doing texturing in Wings3D, you'll want the full 4MB.

I have tested Wings3D on a purple Indigo2 (R10000@195MHz, 1GB RAM, MaxIMPACT/1TRAM) works great. I have a secondary SolidIMPACT in that machine, but I haven't tried running Wings3D on that monitor.

On the PC side, Wings runs well on some extremely low end cards, like the Riva TNT or 3dfx voodoo3. If someone would fix the icons, it would probably perform very nicely.

Wings is written using SDL for the window and even management. SDL has the ability to blt rects directly, so perhaps someone could figure out how to change the drawing code for the icons to do that. Overlay planes would be cooler still, but I don't think that SDL supports those.

necron2600
From Boston
Who joined May 26, 2015, 10:38 p.m.

Wrote the following at Oct. 28, 2015, 10:55 a.m...

Ok.. where can I find a copy of this precompiled version? The link in the thread doesnt seem to work (at least through Dillo

Trippynet
From Aberdeen, Scotland, UK
Who joined Aug. 15, 2013, 6:22 a.m.

Wrote the following at Oct. 28, 2015, 11:07 a.m...

They seem to be on Waybackmachine: http://web.archive.org/web/200608300826 ... net/wings/

Systems in use:
:Indigo2IMP:

- Nitrogen : R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel:

- Lithium : R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2:

R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30

necron2600
From Boston
Who joined May 26, 2015, 10:38 p.m.

Wrote the following at Oct. 28, 2015, 3:26 p.m...

Awesome.. thanks!
I seem to be pack-ratting lots of irix software the past few months.
-Kevin

mis
Who joined April 2, 2003, 12:26 a.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 1, 2015, 10:50 a.m...

anyone got a screenshot / video of what this wings is on sgi
?

Best regards

MIS

necron2600
From Boston
Who joined May 26, 2015, 10:38 p.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 16, 2015, 10:24 a.m...

: Wings3D on IRIX

Trippynet
From Aberdeen, Scotland, UK
Who joined Aug. 15, 2013, 6:22 a.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 16, 2015, 12:24 p.m...

I'm paying more attention to that crazy toolchest than the Wings screenshot. That must have taken some work to knock up!

Systems in use:
:Indigo2IMP:

- Nitrogen : R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel:

- Lithium : R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2:

R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30

hamei
From over the rainbow
Who joined Feb. 24, 2004, 4:10 p.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 16, 2015, 5:52 p.m...

Trippynet wrote: I'm paying more attention to that crazy toolchest than the Wings screenshot. That must have taken some work to knock up!

.auxchestrc

necron2600
From Boston
Who joined May 26, 2015, 10:38 p.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 16, 2015, 6:36 p.m...

Trippynet,

Haha.. yeah my toolchest has grown a bit.. that snapshot was taken on a 1440x900 resolution too so it looks even bigger (the same toolchest on my tezro or octane does not fill the screen as much as on the O2). It would be a nice feature if the toolchest could be minimized.

I never did try using the icon catalog before.. guess I found a single .auxchestrc file to be easier (esp. syncing between other IRIX systems).

So where do you store/list apps for quick access?

-Kevin

hamei
From over the rainbow
Who joined Feb. 24, 2004, 4:10 p.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 16, 2015, 7:03 p.m...

necron2600 wrote: It would be a nice feature if the toolchest could be minimized.

You can put all the programs on a single popout, that way the chest itself stays small but still easy to get a long list of all your applications ... I'm too dumb to get a screeny with the submenu popped out, only one window can be active at a time. Could use the camera, I guess ...

: smallchest.jpg (7.03 KiB) Viewed 218 times

programs pops out a long menu, like yours. The disadvantage of changing the .chestrc is that Irix will snivel every time you reinstall or rebuild your user desktop - "You are running a non-standard toolchest ! Oh noes ! The world will come to an end !"

But I don't do that very often, so who cares ?

Trippynet
From Aberdeen, Scotland, UK
Who joined Aug. 15, 2013, 6:22 a.m.

Wrote the following at Nov. 17, 2015, 12:35 a.m...

necron2600 wrote: I never did try using the icon catalog before.. guess I found a single .auxchestrc file to be easier (esp. syncing between other IRIX systems).

So where do you store/list apps for quick access?

To be honest, I mainly go with good old desktop shortcuts. My most commonly used programs (Firefox, Dillo, XMMS) are directly on the desktop, other less-used ones are in a few folders (system utils, games, etc). Admittedly it means you've got to minimise your current app in order to launch another one, but on the plus side they also sync nicely between my two machines, and from a laziness point of view they're a bit easier to edit/maintain than editing the Toolchest (which I have done for a few bits, but via .chestrc).

And it gives me an incentive to make sure the icons work

Systems in use:
:Indigo2IMP:

- Nitrogen : R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel:

- Lithium : R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2:

R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30

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