The collected works of cosmos

while not affiliated with nekochan directly I will soon be offering alot of items for older IRIX releases in about a month. I have half of my development environment built out with the remainder coming online in a week.

IRIX 5.3, IRIX 6.2, and some things for IRIX 6.5 will be available. the focus is mainly on older IRIX releases which are far less supported but equally important.

other than compiled for others to use, GCC has no place on my IRIX machines. supporting tuxed up garbage is not an option.

i think the current nekochan contributors support IRIX 6.5 nicely and they should continue to focus on that. Most of us probably have real jobs and lives and are not paid to do this so focusing on a single area is probably the best approach.

perhaps a bit more formal approach to software development/porting at nekochan would be beneficial to all. a formal team of contributors broken down by IRIX release... so we have foetz cranking out 6.5 mozilla while others are doing the same for 5.3 and 6.2 etc.

just a thought.

Congratulations! You are over qualified as an open source programmer.

I only speak the truth.

cheers.

i am a jack of all trades. yes i have coded for a living, managed systems, managed databases, and many other exciting roles along the windy road of making a living!

if "getting it for free" is your criteria for quality the end result is always going to be garbage. i am and always have been a business man. the economics of producing quality for dollars makes perfect logical sense. on the other hand giving something for nothing is always suspect and is not in line with basic human nature. the world is not a utopia; in fact, it is a rather dismal environment all around.

do you get garbage from commercial companies? absolutely! do i like alot of commercial software...hell no. but i do have some recourse and in the end can vote with my pocketbook which has alot more bite than lofty idealism. in the real world my time is worth money and it is utterly wasted if i am forced to recode or scour usenet and forums because open source widget number one does not work. multiplied by the enormous amount of open source products this quickly soars into astronomical amounts of wasted man hours. and in the end who pays? everyone but the open source programmer.

and quite frankly if i am only the second person you have ever heard speak critically about open source then something is very wrong. either you need to get out of the house more or something is rotten in the state of denmark. no one should trust anything in which critical analysis is absent. from my ivory tower it usually appears as if both the microsoft and the linux camps are near identical albeit at opposite ends of the spectrum. both are fanatical and both seem to operate in complete unison and oneness of thought. i make sure not to drink the kool aid.

there is a happy medium between idealiistic software development and monolithic corporate entities, it just has not been realized yet. until then i will continue to cry out in the wilderness as it would seem and collect my paycheck for services rendered since goods and services in the real world have not been open sourced to my knowledge.

keep the faith.

my issue with open source is not the model it's the real world application. the bottom line is that except for a few shining examples the majority of open source code is cobbled together trash and altogether unuseable without major effort on the individuals part. this may not be an issue when you are in school or in a research environment but it often fails miserably in the trenches.

if i can expect to have to rewrite 75% or all of the open source contribution applicable to my project and/or spend a few business workdays tracking down patches, supplimentary code, and prerequisites than i have wasted both mine and my employers time and money. perhaps there is no commercial "black box" to achive a particular need so this is your only option save write everything yourself from scratch. i tend to lean towards doing it all myself--at least i can vouch for the end result.

in the end it probably comes down to philosophical differences. i am not a communist, never was a communist, and never will be a communist. if i write a piece of quality code then i want to get paid for it and i do not people monkeying with my code. on the flip side i would feel ashamed and loathsome tossing out some half ass code under the banner of open source and shamelessly passing it off as a community project because i am too incompetent to complete it.

i think we can agree to disagree.

cheers

correct. you need IDF 1.2 and IDL for 7.3. They are of course provided in your MIPSpro 7.3 media kit.

cheers.

i find this hard to believe since they are part of the same boxed media kit for mipspro 7.3

i also wonder why they are sending you 7.3 vs 7.4 but anyhow since you must have support
and paid for the product just open up a call and get your proper full kit.

i have had mis shipments from sgi before and a simple call corrected the issue with overnight shipping to boot.

now if you illegally purchased such items from ebay well now...

[quote="canavan"
BZZZZTTT.... All wrong, cosmos. Not a single paragraph there that't even half correct (well the one about the overnight shipment sounds plausible). Well, they sent me 7.3 ages ago, before 7.4 was released. And I'll leave it as a simple exercise to you to find out why they would send out some CDs without knowing what other CDs I might have.

Btw, your knowledge about european or to be more specific, german copyright seems to be rather lacking. It wouldn't even be illegal if I bought them on ebay.[/quote]

you must be correct. sgi is in the business of screwing its support customers and not shipping the appropriate media. i am sure you called your rep to report the missing cds and rectify the situation imeediately right? oddly enough every 7.3 compiler kit sent to us was complete including the 1.2 foundation needed for 7.3. we have even requested replacement copies due
to damage and they have always arrived the following day. in short i've never been left
to look elsewhere for media as a support customer.

as for germany...well i could give a fuck less about german copyright law. put your location in your profile next time champ if you would like others to infer how things relate to your particular situation.

ithe bottom line is that if you were a support customer you should not have to post here about missing cds etc, a simple phone call will rectify the situation. otherwise keep searching ebay and good luck to you.

cheers.